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A34903 An answer to a late book intituled, A discourse concerning the inventions of men in the worship of God, by William, Lord Bishop of Derry wherein the author's arguments against the manner of publick worship performed by Protestant dissenters are examined and by plain Scripture and reason confuted, his mistakes as to matters of fact detected, and some important truths concerning the spirit of prayer and external adoration, &c. vindicated / by Robert Craghead ... Craghead, Robert. 1694 (1694) Wing C6793; ESTC R7154 118,658 170

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do but write what the Author himself hath said and so he is answered But the Author judgeth it fit to consider the several parts of Prayer distinctly by themselves such as Confession Supplication Intercession c. Ans What other design the Author may have for branching out of Prayer into so many parts and then quoting Scriptures for Forms to each part I know not but if he hath taken all this pains for us 't is so much labour in vain Because all that these Scriptures a mount to is that God hath often prescribed words none of us deny who take it for an unjust Imputation that we are against all Forms We are alwayes for a Form of sound words we are for the Lords Prayer as a perfect pattern we are for the Forms prescribed in the Administration of Sacraments and for an orderly decent Form in dispensing all Gospel Ordinances that all be performed decently and in due order without confusion by intermixtures and intercessions as is the manner of some others and observe a Scriptural Form of blessing or prayer with the Apostles words before our publick Assemblies be dismissed Page 26. The Author engageth his probations from Scripture all which I might rationally dismiss with this one answer that they prove nothing which we deny But least some weak or byassed Reader should think Scriptures too hot to be touched by us they shall be particularly consider'd Deut. 26. 3. 5. And thou shalt go unto the Priest that shall be in those days and say unto him c. And again thou shalt speak and say before the Lord thy God A Syrian ready to perish was my Father and he went down into Egypt c. Ans The occasion of repeating these words is not the same now as then fo these who were appointed to speak these words were to bring their first fruits in a Basket and go to that place which the Lord should choose and then speak these words we have neither the Priest to go to nor the place therefore this Form bindeth not us as the Author acknowledges Page 29. 1 Kings 8. 47. Saying We have sinned and have done perverslie we have committed wickedness and Da● 9. 5. We have sinned and committed iniquitie and have done wickedlie and have rebelled this the Author sayeth is the same form of words Ans The Reader will see the very words are not retained in these Scriptures how are they then the same form of words seing words are all the Debate why doth he quote Scriptures that hath not the same words 2ly The Author in the same page sayeth other words might be joined with them or varied To what purpose then is there a Dispute for the precise words of a Form seing they may be enlarged or varyed Psal 51. also is urged as another Form wherein David confesseth his sin Ans This is one of the Psalms God hath prescribed us to sing and therefore we sing it but use it not as a form of Prayer or Confession therefore 2ly Consider no man should make Murder and Adultery a part of his confession to God in Prayer except he be guilty of these sins The Author bringeth it in unadvertently as a pattern of Confession binding others to the same words in their Prayers whether they be guilty of these sins or not yet we sing this Psalm as a prescribed part of Worship safely having instruction thereby Psal 78. Cometh next as a general Confession of the whole people Ans And what then for we should and often do confess our sins together to God 2ly But that it should be only in these words mentioned in that Psalm the Author himself doth not urge for saith he in the same Page 27. Confession should be made to him in that manner Deut 26. 13. 15. Then thou shalt say before the Lord thy God Look down from thy holy habitation c. and Hos 14. 2. Take with you words Ans The Author answereth himself if there be occasion the words may be enlarged or varied the same answer serveth the instance he giveth from Psal 90. Numb 6. 23. On this wise shall ye bless the Children of Israel Ans This Text answereth it self on this wise that is after this manner and so may be varied which the Author alloweth Joel 1. 14. Gather the Elders c. and say unto the Lord alas for the day and Joel 2. 17. Let the priests c. and say Spare thy people O Lord. Ans The occasion of repeating these words is not found with us and so the Author dismisseth it as not obligatory Numb 10. 35. Moses when the Ark set forward said Rise up Lord and let thine enemies be scattered Ans The last answer serveth this also for we have not now a moving Ark amongst us and therefore no occasion for repeating that form of words as the Author in that same page acknowledgeth Page 30. The Psalms have manie prayers in them and few of them but what are most excellent forms of prayer such as 4 5 6 7 9 10 11. Ans The Psams of David are formallie Psalms not prayers whatever Prayers be in them why then should the Author impose another than the usual name the Holy Ghost hath given them 2. The Author here seems to bring in the Psalms as their Liturgies for Prayers otherways why doth he name them as the constant Liturgie performed in their Temple as if they had no other Prayers but Psalms which is against himself Page 30. where he saith They had some certain forms of Prayers Page 30. The Author cometh to New Testament Examples and Prescriptions I think it is certain That our Saviour and his Apostles prayed by a form for they joined in the Worship of the Temple and of the Synagogues Ans He thinks it certain I think it not certain and what benenefit shall the Reader have by either of these Probation is better than I think and for the reason he giveth That Christ and his Apostle were frequently in the Temple Ans Tho Christ was frequently in the Temple and Synagogues that therefore he joyned in their Traditional Corrupted Worship can never be instructed for he preached against their manner of Worship as vain and that he would then joyn with a vain Worship is worse than Gratis dictum tho he did every where regard the pure Worship of God 2ly It 's ignominious to the Son of God to say that he used forms of Prayer since all forms have been prescribed for the help of weak sinners This fondness for forms I see rusheth men into dangerous precipices for 't is not safe to cast such an imputation on him who is the Wisdom of the Father and if the Author shall say that though Christ needed not forms Himself yet he might use them for example to others to use Forms Ans This also is said without Book for it can be no where proved by any part of Scripture that ever Christ Prayed by any form though he taught them to Pray by prescribing