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A30650 A vindicaton of churches, commonly called Independent, or, A briefe answer to two books the one, intituled, Twelve considerable serious questions, touching church-government, the other, Independency examined, unmasked, refuted, &c. : both lately published by William Prinne ... / Henry Burton ... Burton, Henry, 1578-1648. 1644 (1644) Wing B6176; ESTC R20892 61,118 78

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Reason Because it is Antichristian to deny Iesus to bee the Christ that is the onely King Priest and Prophet of his Church Hee is an Antichrist that denieth any of these three Offices But to deny Christ to be the onely King of his Church is to deny him in one of his Incommunicable Offices And they thus deny Iesus to bee the Christ that place man with Christ in his throne that set humane Lawes and Customes of all Nations cheek by jowle with the Word of God Here Jesus is denied to be the Christ I could here adde many more reasons to those but these may suffise that you may see there bee some Reasons which your Independents can produce and those so solid as the Gates of hell shall not prevaile against But say you if we thus claime exemption from such binding Decrees of men in the matters of Christ and that in point of conscience then may also Papists Anabaptists and all other ●ects claim the like exemptiens upon the like groun●s Brother for that I hope you will put a difference between orthodox Churches and he●erodox But I say againe for any mans conscience bee it never so erroneous as that of Papists yet certainly the conscience of such simply considered in it selfe nor you nor any man in the world hath any thing to doe further then to instruct and admonish and labour to enforme and iectifie enforce it you may not But shall we tolerate Popery and so idolatry in our Land I answer ●t is one thing to tolerate Popery and Idolatry publickly in a land and another to tolerate a man in his Conscience Magistrates may not tolerate open Popery and Idolatry to be set up in the land but the conscience o● a Papist they are no masters or judges of If the Civill Magistrate see any of Gods Commandements actually violated hee beareth not the sword for naught evill actions he must punish but hee hath no power over the conscience of any to punish a man for that so long as he makes no open breach of Gods Commandements or the just lawes of the Land And so in the rest And brother in your twelfth Question you confesse so much reproving but how justly you Independents for censuring the very hearts and spirituall estates of others and alleadging that Scripture that forbids men to judge because God onely knows mens hearts Now brother that which you deny to others as to bee judges of mens hearts and spirituall estates why will you either assume it to your selfe or attribute it to others by placing them in Christ● throne and thereby displacing Christ himselfe As the Apostle saith Who art thou that judgest anothers servant To his Master he standeth or falleth Much more who art thou that judgest Gods servant And ver. 10. And why dost thou judge thy brother Or why dost thou set at ●aught thy brother We shall all stand at the Iudgement se●t of Christ Christ therefore is the ●ole Iudge o● every mans conscience even hee alone that is the Iudge of quicke and dead And brother let me put it to your Conscience Doe you think it equall that either your conscience should be a rule of mine or mine of yours And if no one mans conscience may be the rule of anothers certa●nly neither may all the mens consciences in the world be the Iudge of any one mans 2 How ever we finde neither rule example nor reason from Scripture to force men to Religion originally ye the R●bins say if man kept the seven precepts of Noah hee might not bee forced further The eleventh Question Concerning this question it containeth in it nothing but grievous invectives against the way you call Independent You call it a Seminary of Schismes and dangerous divisions in Church State So did Tertullus the ●ews Advocate against Paul charge him for a pestilent fellow and a mover of sedition among al the Iews throughout the world Acts 24. 5. You pretend to ponder it in the ballance of Scripture or right reason but you neither shew us Scripture not right reason to ballance it in You call it a Floodgate to let in an Inundation of herefies errors sects libertinisme and lawlesnesse without means of suppressing them when introduced For this you bring Mr. Williams his bloody tenent Now suppose him or his booke hereticall will you make the way of Christ so too There was one Judas a traitor shall therefore all the rest of the Apostles or their Apostolicall calling be so too You alleadge also Anabaptisticall ●ntinomian hereticall Ath●ishicall opinions as of the Soules mortality Divorce at pleasure will you therefore father all these upon Ch●ists Kingly government In Luthers time ●undry heresies sprung up was Luther therefore either the cause or occasion of them Doe we not know that Mothes are bied in the parest cloth And the dunghills send forth strongest savours when the Sunne shines hottest Is either the cloth the proper cause of the moth or the Sunne of the stinking vapour Never greater errors have bin then since the Gospell hath clearly shined forth True it is indeed that th●se divisions and diversities of opinions are with bleeding hearts to be bewailed But shall the Gospell of the Kingdome beare the burthen of all This were as with the Christians in Rome in Neroes time when any judgement of God fell upon the City he would still im●●●e it to the Christians and punish them for it But we are taught better When the good Husband-man sowed pure wheat in in his field the enemy came and supersemina●ed tares shall wee therefore blame the wheat because the t●res come up with them But that you impu●e to this way libertinisme and lawlesnesse Good brother conside● are we Libertines or are wee lawlesse Nay may wee not herein plead for our selves that in all things we indeavou● to conforme ou● selves wholly to the law of Christ● and if many thing we off●nd ju●●ly any just law o●●h● l●n● wee re●u●e not to suffer Only brother le● not ●a● Impe●iall Edict be revived that if any confessed themselves to be Christians they should be put to death so such as you call 〈…〉 should for this very name suffer As Tertullian said Nomen pro●●●i●ine when the very name of Christian was taken for a crime ●nd for meanes of suppressing errors what meanes could suppresse those many errors that sprung up to the successive ages o● the Church Was not the word of God the onely meanes and not humane power yea humane power is as well a meanes to maintain heresies as to suppresse them You know what Constantine and his sonne did to maintain the Arrian heresie And orthodox Independent Churches are as good means as any other together with the care and countenance of the Magistrate if it may be had to defend them and inable them to send forth labourers without which the Presbytery will bee as barren breast and womb as any other The twelfth Question The sundry passages of