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A13877 An ansvvere to a supplicatorie epistle, of G.T. for the pretended Catholiques written to the right Honorable Lords of her Maiesties priuy Councell. By VVater [sic] Trauers, minister of the worde of God. Travers, Walter, 1547 or 8-1635. 1583 (1583) STC 24180.7; ESTC S118501 163,528 396

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doctrine can rise without cōtradiction of some I graūt in open and apparaunte errours this maie hold but not in al namely in suche as crepe into the Churche by Hypocrisie of whiche sorte is this hereticall false worship of Poperie For thus the Apostle teacheth forewarning that the mistery of iniquitie begā euen then to work Whiche is therfore called a mistery of iniquitie because th'iniquity of it was not manifest but should be then discouered whē Antechrist should exalt him self to sit in the tēple of God and boast him self as God Whereby it appereth that the Apostle sheweth that as a buildyng is not seen while the worke is vnder ground but onely whē it sheweth aboue the ground so likewise there was a tyme when this Synagog of Sathan was in building but the stones of the foūdation of it beyng laied very deepe it was long ere it appered or was to be discerned vpon the earth Our sauiour Christe giueth warnyng that there should come that falsly would chalenge the name of Christ and his Apostles vnto them who should bee able by their liyng Signes and wonders to deceiue if it wer possible euen the elect In the Parable of tares he saith that the housebandman beyng a sleepe the enemie came sowed Tares in the night Which notwithstandyng that no man discerned in the night nor could tell who had doen it yet when the spring came forward sure thei wer that was not of the good séede that was sowne in the field by their maister but Tares therfore though thei could not discerne it nor knewe not any enemy that had entred into the field to sow Tares in it yet whē thei were sprong vp thei knew the Tares to be Tares because their Maisters séede that was sowne was good the seruantes are assured that the enemie which is satan had sowne them though thei knew not by what hand and instrument nor at what hower of the night he sowed thē Euen so in this case while men feared no suche daunger the Enemie sowed these Heresies in the church which for a time after were not to be discerned till this euill seede was growne and came to shew it self vpō the ground which beyng now sprong vp can we not bee sure that Tares are Tares and heresies be heresies except we be able to tel who when did sowe thē It is inough for vs to knowe that our Maisters seede is perfect good whatsoeuer els commeth vp with it that is not of the seede we are sure it is a stinkyng weede or a vile graine sitter for beastes thē for men and not the fine wheate the fruite of the precious seede of our Maister This doctrine of our Sauiour Christ was this precious seede as he expoūdeth it Whatsoeuer therefore groweth vp with it though for a season it can not bee discouered yet if after it discouereth it self not to bee agreeable to the sounde and wholsome doctrine of Christe but a wicked heresie and the cursed fruite of a naughtie seede though wee can neither tell by whom nor at what tyme the Enemie did sowe it yet sure wee are it is hereticall and hath beene sowne since the tyme that our Maister sowed his fielde with good Seede Therefore his reason can not proue the issue to bee reasonable Muche lesse doeth his experience His second profe herein which is to be vnderstood as the reason before of opē errors which shew themselues at the first manifestly cōtrary to the holy doctrine of the church As for his examples by hudlyng vp together the Protestāt Puritane and Family as if thei wer all alike it is but the heate of his cholerike stomacke By experience For all the worlde knoweth how farr the true professors of the Gospell are frō that execrable heresies of the Family which sprōg vp in the time of their deteinyng of the worlde in captiuitie yet whiche of them euer once rebuked or controlled it by word or writyng but now the light hath discouered it shal the light be said to haue brought it forth or shall it not now be rebuked because none of the pretended Catholikes haue rebuked it let theim bee their Iudges Cōcerning the Puritane if he meane suche as thinke themselues pure and frée from sinne thei are al one with the Family and farre more like thē who boast of their own iustice then thei are to vs who deny our own righteousnesse that we maie haue the righteousnesse of Christ which is by faith If he meane such as desire to haue the state of the church yet fréer frō their disorders and confusions more nerely reformed to the ordenance of our sauiour Christ and the example of the Apostles and other Churches so reformed in many other places professyng the same Gospell with vs Then I think euery good Protestant and Professour is a Puritane and few that are otherwise minded except it be such to whō the corruptions they haue left behinde thē and we haue not yet cast out after them be glorious and gainful But for the purpose thei are here alledged these exāples make nothing for him If thei reproued vs it was not because thei were able iustly to charge vs but because wee discouered their shame to the worlde because we detected their heresies against God and their conspiracies against Princes and people If any professour of the Gospell haue reproued the Familist as thei in deede haue beene confuted by vs when these men neglected the matter he might easely doe it the Gospell clerely discoueryng the error his reward is with GOD. And if any for seekyng a further reformation by orderly meanes haue been reproued the reprouer the reproued haue both their iudge who will giue to euery one according to his deedes Thus then it appeareth to bee no reasonable issue which thei offer that except we can tell the tymes and Authors of their sondrie heresies that we should acknowledge them of the Apostles It is enough for vs that we know heresie to bee heresie and that by the worde of God And if thei will ioyne a reasonable issue with vs we offer them one farre more reasonable thē this Let thē shew out of the authenticke writynges of Christ and his Apostles the poinctes thei varie from vs in as wee vndertake and by Gods grace are able to performe of ours that thei are contained and left in them These writynges are perfect exact and incorrupt What doe thei seeke vncertaine Hystories and demaunde for recordes not to be had or found and refuse these the onely sufficient and authenticall He boasteth a Goliahes boaste to shewe all the poinctes wherein wee differ from them their Parentes their Cradle the calculation of the tyme of their Birthe Which I maruell not at for our Sauiour Christe and his Apostles are Authours of them thei were laied with hym in his Cradle and published in his tyme by hym self and then after by his Apostles So that as of an noble childe borne of knowne
which at the same time in all the worlde professe by publike ministerie Christian religion as a most graue reuerent testimony ought worthily to be regarded by all her modest and humble children Yet because it may bee subiect to error in some poynt yea most substantiall and materiall poyntes as the experience of the apostasie which the Apostle prophecied off doth sufficiētly declare euen that can be no sufficient warrant of the truth Only the written word of God is sufficient which alone hath this prerogatiue aboue all creatures to certifie assure our consciences in matters of religiō Whereby we being taught the faith which wee haue belieued as wee are readie thorowe the grace of God to make good at all times before all men our faith can not be any newe or perticuler opinion as he wrongfully chargeth it but is the auncient and generall faith of the Church which hath testimony giuen vnto it by the lawe and by al the Prophets which spake from Moses to Samuell Rom. 3.22 Act. 3.24 and those which folowed after These are auncient Fathers in deede whose heades are all white as woll In comparison of whom the fathers they boast off haue neuer a one of them a graye haire vpon his heade they may seeme to haue beene borne but yesterdaye In which respect according to the Lawe Leuit. 19.32 they are to rise vp and giue place and doe their duetie to these who are aged Fathers in deede For where as simply there is nothing auncient but that which is euerlasting and all other thinges are auncient in respect and in comparison of that which is yonger Wee most truly affirme our faith to be so farre more auncient then theirs as that for euery hundreth yeares their doctrine is olde which at this day the Church of Roome teacheth that which our Churches professe is auncient 1000. as being the faith of the righteousnes of God witnessed vnto by the lawe and by the Prophetes Therefore if it had neuer bene heard of in England before and though it haue beene condemned by that vngodly Pius Quintus and his successor of like impietie Rom. 3.21 and their folowers as Christ was by Caiphas and the Apostles by Annas and his whole consistory yet remaineth it still and shall remaine for euer no newe nor perticuler opinion but the auncient and generall faith of the Church the Apostolicall and propheticall doctrine whereby in all partes of the world haue beene and shall be saued whosoeuer were appoynted to euerlasting life For which cause godly hath it beene procured by your HH and established by her highnesse authoritie amongst vs as was the obedience of the lawe by Iosias when it was founde after that it had beene lost by negligence of the priestes for certaine yeares In like sort the true Gospell being found againe which had beene lost by the negligence of their Priestes if not also by their malice and for the furtherance of their pompe and riches which it serued not for hath beene in deed aduised by the right Reuerend Synod of the ministerie of this our whole Nation and restored to his former auncient authoritie by the high Court of Parliament enacting ordeyning by statute the approbation and allowance of it Which if it haue bene done as here he cōplayneth without tryall or disputation and confuting of the aduersary openly the blame is to be laide vpon none but themselues For who can make a coward to fight he may be challenged hee may haue his day appoynted and by some meanes be brought into the fielde but if his heart shall faile him when he seeth his enimie in the face and that the euill quarrell he commeth in doth take away his courage so that he yeeld himselfe to the pleasure of his aduersary without striking of any stroke hath he after any reason to complayne that he was not fought withall Euen so it is not vnknowne to your HH and to this whole state that our aduersaries were called to disputation and the day appoynted at which also they came as if they would haue disputed but belike considering there is no wisedome against the Lord nor power that can preuaile against his truth they began to picke quarrels to auoyde the brunt of the battell and forsooke the fielde refusing to dispute Our reuerend Fathers of worthie memory Cranmer Ridley Latimer c. dealt not so with them in Q. Maries dayes but encountred with them both in the conuocation house also at Oxford to their shamefull foyle and iust reproch howsoeuer after they hauing the lawe in their owne handes did most vniust and cruell execution vpon them by burning them in the fire An argument voyde of all reason and full of vyolence and wrong which yet by the grace of God they fully answered receyuing vertue from aboue and being fortified with an heroicall magnanimitie and a most christian and noble spirit whereby they endured the cruell torment of the flaming fire with great patience and comfort reioycing they were vouchsafed not onely to belieue but also to suffer and that vnto death and so cruel a death for the testimony of the Lord Iesu and the witnesse of his truth And yet these men according to the Prouerbe that he that flyeth may fight againe not being ashamed that men should remember the foyle of that day when they were not able to stand with those who were appoynted to dispute with them now as if they had gotten new hart of grace some good armor of proofe which euen the verie word of God the spiritual sword wherby we fight against these men were not able to pearce haue nothing in their mouthes nor in their pennes but disputation whereof if they came to it againe as their late chāplan did I doubt not but they would haue soone inough But of this I haue ocasion to speak more herafter Now let vs proceede to his other reasons The other two reasons which are debated by him more at large are of vnity and pollicie both which he affirmeth to bee in their religion denyeth to be in ours For vnitie I say as in the other that neyther if they had that vnitie agreement amongst themselues wherof they boast that they were thereby sufficiently warranted and then that they haue it not Of the other part that in ours is the true vnitie which is in veritie For the first that al agreemēt is no sufficient proofe of the goodnesse of the matter wherein they agree it may easily appeare for that al malefactors haue a kinde of agréement So likewise haue the enimies of the Gospel of Christ as the Apostles out of the 2. Psal declare that the Iewes the Romaines the auncient enimies of Christ that the Gentiles the people of Israel the state ciuil ecclesiasticall did al agrée cōspire together against God against his annointed Therfore except he can proue that faith wherein they agree to be the true ancient faith of Gods