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A93918 The doctrines and principles the persecution, imprisonment, banishment, excommunicating of the saints of God, by the priests and magistrates of Scotland, contrary to the doctrine of Christ and the Apostles ... Stockdale, William, d. 1693. 1659 (1659) Wing S5693A; ESTC R184702 60,391 90

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1 Tim. 3. which saith If you cannot rule your own Family how can you take care for the Church of God Henry Foreside Priest of the Parish of Lingee in Dunbarton-shire said in his Preaching to the People Pr. IF they had any Christian zeal they would stone them whom they call Quakers Answ It is the blind zeal that stones not the Christian zeale that have the life of Christ for the Christian zeal is to pray for them that persecute Mat. 5.44 and not to stone them and to love enemies it was the Jewes zeal that took up stones to stone Christ John 8.59 they stoned Steven Acts 7.5 8. and stoned the Apostles Acts 14.19 In this the Presbyterians have proved their Christianity to be out of Christ and the Apostles Pr. If Paul and the rest of the Apostles had been alive they would have stoned the Quakers Answ Here all may see his work to be the envious man in Cains way Jude 11. who would murther and wrongs the Apostle who never taught nor intended any such doctrine but said Overcome evil with good Rom. 12.21 and love bears all things 1 Cor. 13.7 Now see whose Minister this man is that cannot bear but would have them stoned and would have the Apostle as bad as himself which Apostle said Christ was his example who laid down his life for his enemies Rom. 5.8 who suffered the contradiction of sinners we will render evill to no man but say the contrary the Lord Jesus forgive them Luke 23.34 and the Apostle said they wrestled not against flesh and blood Ephesians 6.12 but them and you that stone do ye not wrestle against flesh and blood But if the Apostles would have stoned would they not have wrestled against flesh and Blood And if the Apostles should have stoned all that were contrary to their mindes and bidding the people stone them and told them it was Christian zeal what work would they have made as the said Henry Foreside called Minister doth where would have been long suffering Gal. 5.22 and loving enemies Mat. 5.44 and where would he have had any to have converted and who would have been persecutors and who would have prayed for persecutors ye may see what a pit ye are fallen into and how should they have convinced gain-sayers Tit. 1.9 and loved them whem they had stoned them And this is the Presbyterians zeal of Scotland and not Christian zeal who would stone and stir up his congregation to do so for Christ who is clothed with zeal Isa 59.17 said Love your Enemies but ye are cloathed with madness and folly And the Apostle that was in his zeal according to knowledge said Overcome evil with good Rom. 12.21 amd vengeance is the Lords and he will repay it Rom. 12.19 and love bears all things but his blind zeal cannot bear any thing but cryes stone them out of the way and so wickedly and devilishly calls it Christian zeal which is false that is the Devils zeal Now the Apostles wrestled not against flesh and blood but against the powers of darkness Eph. 6.12 but the Presbyterians called Ministers are striking against flesh and blood whilst ye would stone them whilst that time spirituall wickednesse lies within you So ye Presbyterian-Priests are as a troop of robbers that would murther in the way by consent Hos 6.9 James Dorram called Minister of Glascow his Principles Pr. THat the believers even the reall godly are not without sin in this life Ans Here is one that is charging the elect and laying sin to the elect that God justifies Rom. 8.33 that in the godly there should be sin Sin is out of the godly in the ungodly which turne the grace of God into wantonness and and what good doth his preaching doe them if they must never be without sin whilst they are upon earth they can be but in their sin if they never preach to them But the Scripture saith He that believes is borne of God and he that is borne of God cannot sin because his seed remaines in him 1 Iohn 3.9 But this is of another world to him who is called James Dorram Minister of Glasgow Minister of darknesse who puts no difference betwen the children of God and the children of the Devill 1 Iohn 3.10 They would have sin whilst they are upon the earth and it is darknesse but the Apostles said they were made free from sin Rom. 6.22 whilst they were upon the earth Pr. Christ being sinlesse seperates him from all others Answ Christ being separated from sinners Heb. 7.26 who are in Christ are separated from sinners and sin both 2 Cor. 6.17 But this Ja Dorram hath made the offering of none effect Heb. 10.14 which hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified And hath made the blood of Jesus of none effect which cleanseth from all sin 1 John 1.7 And he hath made the everlasting Covenant of none effect which blots out all sins trespasses And he hath made the faith of the Son of God of none effect which purifies the heart and gives victory over the world Acts 15.9 1 Ioh. 5.5 Thou dost herein preach hold up sin and doth not preach it down and yet thou saiest thou preachest not to hold it up and yet thou preachest they must have it whilst they are upon the earth here is confusion in thy tongue Pro. 17.20 Thou shouldst have preached it down and have brought them to a Church where there is neither spot nor wrinkle nor blemish nor any such thing Eph. 5.27 if thou were a true Minister but your Church is full of spots and blemishes and wrinkels whilst ye are preaching up zeal to stone people and sin while they live as Henry Foreside and James Dorram doth Pr. God be thanked the scripture speaks nothing for freedom from sin and perfection Answ Thou thankest God that thou maist live in thy sin and imperfection and art glad of thy false hope but thou art a lyar thou art out of the truth in this for the Scripture saith they were made free from sin Rom 6 26 and they preached wisdom among them that were perfect 1 Cor. 2 6 and he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified Heb. 10 14 So the scripture speakes of freedom from sin and perfection and be perfect Pr That the condemning power of sin is taken away Answ The believer doth not sin 1 Iohn 5 1 1 Iohn 3 9 but he that the believer overcomes commits sin 1 Io 3 8 and 1 Io 5 5 and if the believer commits sin who overcomes the believer and so he that commits sin is under the condemning power of sin which thou saist not which thou and all other shall witnesse Pr The believer is not in sin as the unbeliever is he sins not as the unbeliever doth and in an other place he saith the Law is the same to the believer that it is to the unbeliever Answ Here any may read thy confusion but I say unto thee he that believeth