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A67646 A defence of the innocency of the lives, practice, and doctrine of the English preists [sic], Jesuits, and papists relating to the crimes of murther and treason, vnjustly charged on them by E.C. in his narrative wherein are discouered his grosse mistakes, his wilfull falsifications, his shamefull falshoodes, and his groundlesse vniust accusations of the English papists. Warner, John, 1628-1692. 1680 (1680) Wing W908A; ESTC R221952 27,739 33

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of these Doctrines but seueral vniuersities Bishops haue censured them the Pope hath condemned them I say those very Propositions which you cite out of Molina Lessius Amicus That of Amicus that it is Lawfull for an Ecclesiastick to kill a Detractor was condemned by Alexander VII 24. Sept. 1665. Those of Molina Lessius that it is lawfull to kill to saue our honour by Innocent XI 2. March 1679. which decrees are enforced with an Excommunication for all such as dare disobey Now I suppose you know that all true Catholicks obey the Popes decrees in Doctrinal matters how euer they take the freedome to Iudge of things before any Declaration of the Church or her head vnder Christ on Earth yet when any decree is publisht we all lay down our priuate sentiments frame both Actions conscience according to that venerable rule With what Iustice then can you charge any with those Doctrines which we all do renounce and are bound to do so vnder paine of Excommunication Lastly I appeale to the Experience of English Protestants who haue trauelled let them say whither in Flanders France or euen Rome it self they found the Papists such Bloud thirsty Ruffians as you describe them A Minister who had preacht in England that the Pope was the Beast of the Apocalypse had seuen heads ten hornes coming afterwards to Rome being admitted to the presence of the Pope who had heard of it the Pope sayd to him Come hither son view me well see that I haue but one head neuer a horne at all looke vpon my head which he then vncouered feele it beleiue your owne eyes that I am no such a monster as you in England describe me This was Vrbaen VIII Another of the same tribe tooke the liberty in Rome amongst the Natiues to declaime against the Pope who hearing of it sent one to aduise him to be more wary in his words for althô sayd he there shall be no publick procedure against you yet I cannot assure but that you may receiue some displeasure from some of my subjects As for Iesuits whome you represent as most addicted to Murthering Protestants I neuer heard any complaint of Inciuilities receiued from them and I haue heard seuerall trauellers Marchants acknowledge fauours receiued by their meanes euen in Spaine Italy the Indies Mr. Oates your Oracle hath done nothing in England which he did not design at S. Omers with his vsuall discretion discouered there that black hellish design Mr. Whitebread then Prouincial knew this very well spoke of it with much anguish to some aliue who can witness it foreseing what mischeif might be feared when that man 's malicious lying humour should ioyn with the Popular Odium of Catholicks particularly Iesuites Then or neuer there was occasion to practice vpon him that case of Amicus had the Iesuites approued it Yet no such thing was thought on the Prouincial ordred him a decent sute of Cloths and four pounds sterling to beare his charges to London sent him away with all possible charity to see whither he could by that sweeten his malignity ouercome Euil with good Rom 12.21 This this is the way which Iesuites vse towards their enemies thi● they learne our of the Ghospel their Rules this their Superiours recommend this they practice to heape hot Coales vpon their Ennemies not to burne the least haire of their heads but to warme their harts with the fire of the loue of God which will introduce that of their Neighbour And that the English Catholicks are bred vp with the same peaceable sentiments appeares by their Patient suffering whatsoeuer Oates his Associates haue acted in pursuance of his Majesty's order but beyond his commission contrary to his mercifull intentions althô their cruel Actions haue been accompanyed with insulting barbarous words which are much more greiuous to a generous mind then the Actions themselues All which haue met with no other return but prayers for his Sacred Majesty euen for those instruments of God's wrath vpon the Nation I say the Nation which in reality suffers more then Catholicks who seeme the greatest only sufferers in this Tragedy for Non qui patitur sed qui facit iniuriam miser est I now appeale to your self sir what hath appeared in all this sharpe tedious tryall of the Catholicks which doth confirm the Character you giue of them viz that their Tempers are Fire Toe that they haue cast off their Humanity are more fell sauage then Tigers worse then the Beast which perish c. To confute these Impudent calumnies nothing is necessary but to looke on our liues Apologias non scribimus sed viuimus CHAPTER 3. The Iesuits cited by E. C. doe not teach Murther to be lawfull I haue hitherto admitted your assertion to be tru that those Iesuites you cite did teach Murther to be Lawfull yet that the English Catholicks were vnconcerned in it that there is not the least colour of Reason or Iustice to charge it on them I now come to examin that assertion if your proofs faile you there too then I hope you will own that your Bill ought not to be found E. C. pag. 2. Lessius de Just l. 2. c. 9. d. 12. n. 79 saies that h● who hath receiued a box o th Ear may be permitted to strike againe for the auoiding of infamy to that end may immediatly put bucke the Injury that with his sword etiam cum gladio Answer 1. those are not the words of Lessius but taken by him out of Victoria de Iure Belli n. 8. Ans 2. Lessius condemnes that opinion for he says n. 80. Haec sententia non videtur in praxi facile permittenda This opinion is not easily to be followed giues two very good reasons why it is not to be practised Answ 3. It doth not appeare out of those words that the Authour of them speakes of killing neither doth the vse of the sword signifye that seing a sword may be vsed 1. for our defence 2. to fright an aduersary 3. to beate him Au plat d'Espée say the french 4. to giue some slyght wound not mortall either with point or edge Answ 4. Whosoeuer taught that opinion what euer his meaning was all Catholikcs particularly Iesuites renounce it for Innnocent XI expressely condemned it And all the Iesuites in the world submit to that decree E. C. Page 3. Lessius l. 2. c. 9. d. 12. n. 77. says If you endeauour to ruin my reputation by opprobrious speeches spoken before persons of Honour that I cannot auoyde them other ways then by killing you I may nay thô the crime you lay to my charge be such as I am really guilty of it being supposed to be so secretly committed that you cannot discouer it according to the ways of Iustice Answ 1. Lessius hath not those words nor any bearing the same sence in