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A76759 A rejoinder consisting of two parts, the first entituled, The ballance, or, A vindication of the proceedings and judgement of Parliament and their ministers, in the cases of William (called lord) Craven, Christopher Love. : From the scandalous allegations and ironical reflections of Ralph Farmer ... in a late infamous libel of his, named, The imposter dethron'd, etc. ... Wherein the Commonwealth's case as to the one is briefly stated, and the treasons of the other are rehearsed as a looking-glass for the priests, and an awakening to England. : The second, Evil scattered from the throne, and the wheel brought over the wicked: in an examination of that part of The imposter dethron'd as is in way of reply to The throne of truth exalted, etc. Bishop, George, d. 1668. 1658 (1658) Wing B3004A; ESTC R170664 67,249 93

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behalf of the Commonwealth either tempted or drew forth nor do I believe any did the Treasons aforesaid which secretly lodged in the discontented brests of Christop Love and his Brethren for ought I know and I am perswaded his and their own spirit was the father and mother of those Conspiracies or to give them their own word back again the Trepannor of them all Nor if his bosom friend who was as his Confessor before his death cannot do I guess who of his generation or any other can give satisfaction to this question except this lyar who asks it though he saith I know what this last meaneth To the fourth I neither thirsted after the blood of these nor any man but these and all other who thirsted after the blood of the Common-Wealth and not onely endeavoured but put these Nations into War and Blood to effect it I sought to discover as was my place and Trust and their designs for that purpose upon which discoveries some of the chief of them were brought to Justice whereby the spilling of blood was much prevented my heart being more tender to the blood and being of a Common-Wealth such a one as England and the hundreds of thousands of innocent persons therein that it might be preserved then to one man who sought and designed its ruine and destruction and to me he that by design counsel and contrivance effects that which sheds the blood of men though he draw it not with his own hand is a Murtherer in a higher degree then he that violently doth the execution And whoso sheddeth Gen. 9. ● mans blood by man shall his blood be shed for in the image of God made he man is the Law of God unto which agreeth that of God in every mans conscience Now in case of the Treasons aforesaid there was one patticular which put it out of the capacity of pardon viz. The assuming unto themselves ● supreme Power within the Jurisdction of the Common-wealth to give Commission and Instructions to divers persons authorizing them to treat with a forreign State the Scots and the proclaimed Enemy to the Common-wealth Charls Stuart King of Scots for the setting of him by force of Arms into the Throne of England which Treaty they effected and at which Treaty it was so ●●●cluded from whence sprang the War aforesaid Whi●●●eing a most transcendant Act of High Treason and ●●●king at the very Root of the Authority then in bein● for it 's impossible that two Supreme Powers in o●e Common-Wealth can consist and if that War had ●●complished the said result of the Treaty the Common-Wealth had not been the Parliament saw it not onely just but necessary for the safety of the Common-Wealth to make it exemplary in his Execution To the fifth and last I wrote many Letters when I was at White-hall and much business was upon me and went through my hands it is impossible for me to remember precisely all that I wrote so many years ago nor do I remember whether I wrote the matter of this Question but this I say Produce my Letter and what I wrote I shall not deny in the mean time and for the close of this case let Edmund Calamy and his Brethren take heed lest what this Lyar hath queryed concerning him and them they prove it to be a truth It 's good advice however it be received from him who knows what he saith and wishes no evil to him or them or any man but an irreconcileable Enemy is to the spirit of darkness which worketh in the dark by design war and blood-shed to set up its own dark domination over State and Conscience of which even of his and their generation as hath largely been made to appear England hath been of late made deeply sensible And now R. F. let me ask thee one question Is not the hand of Joab in this business were not those of Christopher Loves brethren confederates who were lately at Brist thy No Babes in the world and yet honest or some of them by whom those questions aforesaid were proposed and who desired thee to ask them of me and advised thee as aforesaid or from whom or by whose intimation or direction or instigation thou hast charged wrote and reviled as aforesaid Are not these thy Rowers and have they not brought thee into deep waters Thus much of the Case of Christopher Love and in vindication of the Proceedings and Judgement of Parliament and their Ministers in the Case of him and of the said William called Lord Craven from the sc●ndalous allegations and iro●ical reflections of this Lyar R. F. in his Libel aforesaid as to both and in conviction of his false charges therein of corruption as to Fauconers Information and other indirect dealing in the Case of the one and of blood-thirstiness blood-sucking c. in the Case of the other and of all his mire and dirt cast up at me in the management of each on purpose to render me if he could the vilest of men Upon serious consideration of all which the wise and sober may judge whether his Exemplifications as he ●earms it prove me to be such a man as he hath represented me to be or the rottenness of the people called Quakers conversion and perfection in the general as he blasphemeth or that I am the busie Bisho● in medling with that which I should not as he affirmeth or whether that be a truth which he saith by occasion of my practises in special instanced against the Estate of the first and life of the last is asserted viz. If we may judge of the conscience honesty and perfection of the quakers in general by this man in particular a man be as vile a person as any under heaven and yet a perfect quaker as his Title-page and other parts of his Libel hath it Or whether I have not proved this to be a truth viz. If the conscience honesty and profession of the Ministers of England in general may be judged by Ral●h Farmer and what he writes in particular a man may be one of the vilest of men yea a notorious traytor and yet a professed Minister of the Gospel And lastly Whether by any thing he hath said the Declaration of my innocency in the Case of Craven is impeach't or convict Thus much in reference to the first part of this Rejoinder for the rest of his stuff as to the cases aforesaid I reckon it not worth any further Reply but do leave it to fall with its foundation which is thus raced down and overturned WHITE-HALL May. 1652. So much of the Examination of Coll. Edward Drury as relates to the business of Craven HE saith That whilst he was at Breda he this Examina●t and several Officers of the King of Scots as Lievt Coll. James Bardsey Capt. John Brisco Capt. Tho. Hutt●● Capt. Tho. Hunt Major Rich. Fauconer and others to the number of five or six and twenty did joyn together in a Petition to the King for some
all abominable lyes especially the last which I neither saw nor came into my thoughts And as for the rest of what thou sayest thou hast by information but dost not mention of whom and thy Queries whether I said not so and so to one in my study at White-Hall whom thou namest not when I shall see any thing relating unto me deserving an Answer under the hands of either of them to whom thou pretendest I may make a Reply To close this particular Had any thing been in design as R. F. and his Confederates would fix upon me otherwise might have been found then by medling with that Estate which could not otherwise be●● expected then to raise a clamor to have answered such ends of which neither he nor his Accomplices might have once heard so much as a whisper but as J was clear so J proceeded boldly knowing that innocency would in the end triumph and my open contracting at that time was not vvithout reason as to the publike it being a demonstration to honest men that if J had knovvn any thing but honesty in the bottom on vvhich vvas grounded that Judgement J vvould not have contracted my self for part of the Estate vvhich by that Judgement vvas confiscated As for Major Fanconer J neither knevv him nor heard that such a man vvas beyond the seas till after his comeing from Breda vvhere he vvas at the time of the Treaty between the Scotch Commissioners and their King he was brought to me to give an account of what designs he knew there to have been hatch't against the Common-Wealth which I received according to the Trust committed to me by the Council in things of that nature and finding it to be of seasonable and great importance to the safety of the Common-Wealth it being of designs generally laid over the Nation and of several of the Heads and chief Actors therein particularly in Norfolk which a few months after brake forth into an open insurrection and it agreeing in many particulars with what I had received from other of my Agents I gave credit thereunto And this as J have said is the first knowledge J had of the man and that which gave the occasion of my conversing with him but as for any thing designed by me against Craven and then sending Fauconer over the Seas to effect and act it as hath been whispered into the ears of some in chiefest Authority or corrupting of Fauconer by moneys or otherwise to swear falsly or any knowledge or apprehension that he had in any particular untruly deposed or putting him upon straits of time or any other inconveniences whereby he might be surprised in his understanding or memory or using any provocation for that purpose or that he might give in a wrong information J am in the presence of the Lord who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and coming clear and innocent And thus much in reference to my self As to the STATE THE question in the Case is not Whether the Words Barbarous and inhumane Rebels were in the Petition of the Officers presented the King at Breda in which William called Lord Craven is said to have assisted or whether what Fauconer gave therein be a true Testimony as that on which the Parliament grounded their Vote of Confiscation at first and afterwards their judgement for sale of his Estate though it hath been the design and artifice of his Agents and Advocates and of R F. in particular thus fallaciously to state it and in prosecution thereof having got a Verdict of Perjury against Fauconer as to that clause onely have thereupon founded this loud lying outcry viz. That upon the single Testimony of that scandalous and perjured person the Parliament did give judgement for the sale of his Estate and have upon this Wheel turned all their late transactions for the retrival thereof to the undermining the Act of Parliament and blemishing their Justice But whether he the said Craven being a Native and Subject of this Commonwealth did not repair to the declared Enemy thereof viz. Charles Stuart Eldest SON to the late King then at Breda in Treaty with the Scotch Commissioners for the instateing of him into the Throne of England and where it was agreed to instate him by force of Arms into the said Dominion and where many of his Councellors of State and Officers were met and were there hatching and laying designs to be acted throughout the Common-wealth of England and which afterwards were endeavoured to be put in Execution And whether he the said Craven had not then and thereat and during the time of the aforesaid Treaty and the conclusion thereof where it was agreed as aforesaid converse and familiarity with the said King the declared enemy of the Common-wealth in his privy chambers and otherwise and with his Councellors of State select Juncto and Officers which to do is adherency to the declared Enemy of the Common-wealth and consequently Treason by the known Laws of the Land And that he the said Lord Craven hath so done is positively proved to say nothing of Fanconers Testimony to invalidate which as to what he hath said in this particular nothing hath yet been offered not onely by four Witnesses viz. Reyley Ketchingman Benson and Moubray sworn before the Vote of Confiscation and in consideration with the Parliament when they resolved that Vote but by Bardsey sworn before the Council of State and before the Parliament when they ordered his Name to be put in the Bill for his Lands to be sold and by Priswick sworn before the Commissioners for Sequestrations Nov. 18. 1●51 and by Drury and Brisco in their Examinations which they owned upon their oaths at the Upper-bench on the Tryal of Fauconer where they being produced in Cravens behalf as the onely Witnesses for Fauconers conviction of Perjury proved his Delinquency And the Aherency aforesaid to the declared Enemy of the Commonwealth thus proved is * When I speak of that on which the Parliament grounded such their Vote and Judgement I speak Ex manifesto upon what the Testimonies themselves say but as for that which directed every individual member to give his Vote Judgm●nt and what further Evidence might be of or amongst themselves when they debated and pronounc't i● I meddle not with that on which the Parliamen● have grounded such their Vote and Judgement as aforesaid Against which and its proof nothing hath yet bren offered as J have seen or have heard So that Cravens Case as it is stated by his Agents and Advocates to have been grounded by the Parliament as to the Confiscation of his Estate on those Words Barbarous and inhumane Rebels and on the single testimony of Fauconer therein on which particular clause of his information onely they have endeavoured to fix a Perjury withall they have said thereabouts the clamors that have been made the noises raised are clean out of doors as is manifest for neither was the Parliaments Vote and