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A05111 The logike of the moste excellent philosopher P. Ramus martyr, newly translated, and in diuers places corrected, after the mynde of the author. Per M. Roll. Makylmenæum Scotum, rogatu viri honestissimi, M. Ægidii Hamlini; Dialectica. English Ramus, Petrus, 1515-1572.; MacIlmaine, Rollo. 1574 (1574) STC 15246; ESTC S107927 38,954 102

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only in the which the other which affirmethe is naturally cōtained And the affirmatiue is called the habite the denying argumente the priuation So mouing and quietnes Sobrrietie and dronkennes as Martiall in his 9. booke There is no sober man that woulde do so Ergo thou art dronke So to be blynde and to see Ryche and poore as Martiall in his 8. booke Yf poore thou be thou shalt alwayes be poore Aemilian for nothing is now geuen but to the ryche Of this sort be lyfe deathe as Cicero for Milo. Sitt you reuengers of this mans deathe whose lyfe if you thought it mought be restored ye woulde not To speake also and to holde peace as the firste for Catiline Why dost thou wayte for the aucthoritie of the speakers whose myndes thou perceiuest by holding their peace CAP. XVII. Of equall argumentes COmpared argumentes are those which are compared amongest them selues and are equally knowen althoughe the one be sometymes more manyfest and cleare then the other The comparaison is eyther in quantitie or qualitie Quantitie is that wherby the thinges compared are knowen how muche or how litle they are And qualitie is eyther of equall or vnequall thinges They be equall which be of one quantitie The equall argumente is when an equall is declared by an equall whose signes and notes be equall alike the same that aswell as asmuche as asmanye as neither more nor lesse There is a greate aboundance of suche comparisons in the holy Scripture as the most parte of the parables whiche Christ vsethe as in Mathew 11. The Kyngdome of heauen is lyke a graine of muster seade Deut. 11. Also I wyll cause thy seade to multiplie as the starres of heauen This argumente is diuersly vsed by the Ethnicke authors as Cicero for Silla Neither maye I perceyue wherfore thou arte moued agaynst me yf because I defende hym whom thou accusest why am I not moued with thee also that accusest hym whom I defende yf thou saye I accuse myne ennemie I answere a like I defende my frende So the 5. of Tuscul When as they graunte no lytle strengthe to be in vyce to lyue a miserable lyfe must it not be also graunted the same strengthe to be in vertue to lyue godly This also I praye thee tell me Xenophons wyfe sayethe Aspasia yf thy neigbour had golde more precious then thou hast whether had thou rather haue hers then thyne owne hers sayethe she and yf she had clothes and the rest of the ornamentes of women of greater estimation then thou hast hadest thou rather haue hers yea sayethe she Go to then yf she had a better husband then thou hadest thou rather haue her husbād also here she was ashamed to answere Then Aspasia began to speake to Xenophon I praye the sayethe she yf thy neighbour had a better horse then thou whether hadest thou rather haue his or thine his sayethe he and yf he had a better grounde then thyne hadest thou rather haue his his to wytte the best and yf he hadde a better wyffe then thou haddest thou rather haue his also here Xenophon helde his peace also CAP. XVIII Of the more THey be vnequall which be of a diuerse quantitie The vnequall be eyther more or lesse That is more whose quantitie exceedethe whose notes are not only but also I had rather this then that seing this muche more that as Eccle. 24. Beholde that I haue not laboured for my self only but also for all them that seke wysdome Psalm 84. I had rather be a dore keper in the house of my God then to dwell in the Tabernacles of wyckednes Rom. 5. But God settethe out his loue that he hathe to vs seing that while we were yet synners Christ dyed for vs muche more then now seyng we are iustified in his blode shall we be saued from wrathe thoroughe hym For yf when we were ennemies we were reconsiled to God by the deathe of his sonne Muche more seing we are reconcilied we shal be preserued by his lyfe Not only so but we also ioye in God by the meanes of our Lorde Iesus Christ by whom we haue receyued reconsiliation And Cicero for Milo Not only he yelded hym self to the people but also to the Senate neither to the Senat only but also to the stronghe garrison of souldiars yea not to these only but to his power auctoritie to whom the Senate hathe geuen cure of the whole cōmō wealthe of the whole youthe of Italie of the whole munition of the people Romaine Ouide in the remedie for loue Seing the body for to bring out of thrall Bothe sworde and fyer gladly thou wylt endure Thy soule for to relieue nothing thou ought at all For to refuse seyng it is more pure CAP. XIX Of the lesse THat is sayde to be lesse which an other dothe excede by quantitie whose notes be thiese not this only but not that this before that as Cicero for Catiline 2. There was no man not only in Rome but in no corner of Italie ouerlayed with debte whō he had not associate to the incredible leage of that mischeuous entreprise Cicero to Philippica 9. All men whatsoeuer age they be which in this citie haue the knowledge of the lawes yf they were gathered togeather in one place are not to be compared with Seruius Sulpitius CAP. XX. Of the similitude THe comparison as yet hathe ben in quantitie now folowethe the comparison in qualitie By the which we knowe what kynde of one eache thing is whether lyke or vnlyke These are sayde to be lyke which be of one qualitie as Math. 23. Who be vnto you Scribes and Pharisees ye hypocrites for ye are lyke vnto whytned tumbes which appeare beautifull outward but are within full of dead mens bones and of all fylthynes so are ye also for outward ye appeare righteous vnto men but within ye are all full of hypocrisie and iniquitie Gen. 1. Furthermore God sayde let vs make man in our owne image according to our lykenes Phillip 2. Let the same mynde be in you that was euen in Christ Iesu who being in the forme of God thought it no robberie to be equall with God but he made hym self of no reputation and toke on hym the forme of a seruante and was made lyke vnto man and was founde in his apparell as a man. And 1. Eneid Bothe his mouthe and shoulders were lyke a God. And Cicero in 9. Philip. Althoughe Seruius Sulpitius myght leaue no monumēte more cleare thē his sonne which is the very picture and shape of his conditions vertue constancie pietie and engeyn The similitude is eyther separated or ioyned togeather The similitude separated is when the 4. or single termes are separated and distingued as in Math. 23. Ierusalem Ierusalem which kyllest the Prophetes stonest them which are sente to thee how often woulde I haue geathred thy children togeather as the hen gatherethe her chickens vnder her wynges but thou wouldest not And Virgill in Eglog 5. What thing that