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A09287 Rhemes against Rome: or, The remoouing of the gagg of the new Gospell, and rightly placing it in the mouthes of the Romists, by the Rhemists in their English translation of the Scriptures. Which counter-gagg is heere fitted by the industrious hand of Richard Bernard ... Bernard, Richard, 1568-1641. 1626 (1626) STC 1960; ESTC S101681 240,340 338

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faith to which he exhorts in verse 23. saying that it is a commandement of God that we should beleeue in the name of his Sonne Iesus Christ Rom. 3. 31. Doe we destroy the Law by faith God forbid but we rather maintaine the Law Answ The whole Chapter is against iustification by workes and for faith and euen in this very verse For what meane these words but to shew that faith by which wee are iustified doth fulfill the Law so as what men would obtaine by the workes of the Law the same they haue by faith in Christ who hath for vs perfectly fulfilled the Law So the Law is not destroyed but by faith established Phil. 2. 12. Worke out your saluation with feare and trembling Answ What meaneth this babbling Babylonian hereby Will he conclude that he which is to worke out his saluation with feare and trembling is not iustified by faith onely Iustifying faith maketh none presumptuous It makes a man put on the Armour of God It so maketh vs confident in God as withall neuer to neglect any good meanes in the way to saluation It maketh vs not high-minded but to feare and to tremble and so to worke out our owne saluation which euer accompanyeth our iustification XXXIII Proposition That no true beleeuer particularly can in this life be certaine of his saluation without a miracle or extraordinary reuelation Confuted by their owne Bible BY their Bible we doe learne and it is cleere First that the vnalterable ground of our saluation is laid in Iesus Christ God hauing chosen vs in him before the constitution of the world Ephes 1. 4. which he wil perfect for whom he hath predestinated them also he hath called and whom hee hath called them also he hath iustified and whom he hath iustified them also he hath glorified Rom. 8. 30. Secondly that Christ hath taken away all and euery cause of damnation and euery thing that might hinder the saluation of such as beleeued in him as to wit sin Hee is made sinne for vs 2. Cor. 5. 21. the curse of the Law he hath redeemed vs from the curse thereof Gal. 3. 13. and from vnder it Gal. 4. 5. the anger and wrath of God for we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son Rom. 5. 10 11 2. Cor. 5. 19. So that there is no damnation to them that are in Christ Rom. 8. 1. Thirdly that Christ is euery thing for vs vnto God our Wisdome Iustice Sanctification and Redemption 1. Cor. 1. 30. yea in Christ we are made the Iustice of God 2. Cor. 5. 21. So that God iustifieth vs with his owne Iustice which cannot bee excepted against Who therefore shall accuse the elect of God or who is hee that shall condemne Rom. 8. 33 34. And if free from accusation and condemnation are they not sure of saluation What is it that letteth Fourthly that no power though they haue many temptations and many combates shall euer finally ouercome them The gates of hell shall not preuaile against them Matth. 16. 18. For in the vertue of God they are kept by faith to saluation 1. Pet. 1. 5. and are in all power strengthened according to the might of his glory in all patience longanimitie with ioy Col. 1. 11. Christ promiseth not to cast forth his Ioh. 6. 37 40 and he holdeth vs that none shall plucke vs out of his hands Ioh 10. 28. Not Satan for Christ hath ouercome him Matth. 4. Heb. 2. 14. Not the world for he hath ouercome it also Ioh. 16. 33. Not false Teachers for it is not possible that the elect should bee induced into errour Matth. 24. 24. meaning totally and finally Not our sinnes for the bloud of Christ hath cleansed vs from all sinne 1. Ioh. 1. 7. and in him we haue redemption the remission of our sinnes Col. 1. 14. Ephes 1. 7. See also Heb. 8. 12 9. 14. Not the terrour and curse of the Law for hee hath fulfilled it for vs and remoued the curse Gal. 4. 5. 3. 13. Not our once being vnder the power of darknesse for God hath deliuered vs from our enemies Luk. 1. 74. and from the power of darknesse and translated vs into the kingdome of the Sonne of his loue Col. 1. 13. Nor Gods once former displeasure against vs for when we were impious Rom. 5. when wee were sinners Christ dyed for vs verses 6. 8. and when we were enemies we by Christs death were reconciled to God verse 10. and haue receiued reconciliation verse 11. Not any thing that may fall out after reconciliation For if when we were Enemies we were reconciled much more being reconciled shal we be saued in the life of him Rom. 5. 10. No not Gods iust deserued wrath for our often falls For if when we were sinners Christ dyed for vs much more therefore now being iustified by his bloud shall wee be saued from wrath by him Rom. 5. 8 9. 1. Thes 1. 10. Not the Law of sinne captiuing vs so as we cannot doe that which wee would but doe often that which wee would not For Iesus Christ shall deliuer vs from the body of this death Rom. 7. 24 25. Not tribulation distresse famine nakednesse danger persecution nor the sword though wee were killed for his sake all the day long For to vs it is giuen for Christ not onely that wee should beleeue in him but also that we suffer for his name Phil. 1. 28. And in all these things wee ouercome because of him that hath loued vs Rom. 8. 37. and because God is faithfull who will not suffer his to bee tempted aboue that which they are able but will also make with temptation issue that you may be able to sustaine 1. Cor. 10. 13. To conclude there is nothing possible that can separate vs from the charity of God in Christ Iesus our Lord. For I am sure saith the Apostle that neither Death nor Life nor Angels nor Principalities nor Powers neither things present nor things to come neither might nor height nor depth nor other creature shall be able to doe it Rom. 8. 38 39. For we know that to them that loue God all things co-operate vnto good to such as according to purpose are called to be Saints Rom. 8. 28. And Christ Iesus is able to saue for euer them that goe by him to God Heb. 7. 25. hee being entred into Heauen now appearing to the countenance of God for vs Heb. 9. 24. who is on Gods right hand making intercession for vs Rom. 8. 34. So that it is vndoubtedly certaine that those that bee Christs shall not perish Ioh. 3. 15. nor come into iudgement but passe from death to life Ioh. 5. 24. Fifthly their Bible teacheth not onely these things in the generall but also how euery true beleeuer may particularly be assured that he hath his part in these things and be certaine of his owne saluation and that is by Christs Spirit and by the grace of faith wrought by the same
this life but such as were accounted as dead as going downe to the graue for so Baruch speakes to Israel verse 9 11. And hee speakes of such dead Israelites and their children which had sinned before God and had not hearkened to him verse 4. expressing their deserts worthy death Doe men aliue requesting God to heare for them the prayers of the dead vse to moue God with telling of the Saints sinnes and their rebellion against him Is this a Romish prayer Heare Lord the prayers of the dead for mee for they haue sinned against thee Will any be so madde to alledge such a reason Therefore Baruch makes confession of the liuing Israelites being then through distresse as dead men and beggeth pardon for them as followeth in verse 5. Fiftly their Doway Annotation on this place is this Men in sinnes and miseries are as if they were dead verse 11. yet by Gods mercy may receiue new grace of spirituall life They then take these for men aliue and not dead as this foolish Gagger doth Reu. 2. 26 27. This is answered before and nothing concerneth the prayers of the Saints departed Luk 16. Diues in hell prayed for his brethren on earth much more then will the Saints in heauen Answ 1. This is but a supposed speech a parable and therefore nothing thence to be gathered but as is intended in the scope of the Parable Secondly if there bee such all-knowing vision and all-helping charitie in Heauen it is maruell that in all the Scripture it should no where as clearely be mentioned as this charitie of one damned in hell Reuel 6. 9 10. And I saw vnder the Altar the soules c. and they cryed with a lowd voice How long Lord holy and true doest thou not iudge and auenge our bloud on them that dwell on the earth Answ 1. This was seene by Iohn in a vision and is not to bee interpreted according to the Letter to establish a doctrine of faith Secondly though it be taken after the letter yet here is no proofe that Saints pray for any in particular but for the Church militant in generall Thirdly their Prayer is not for other in the Church they intercede not for other but the request they make concerneth themselues Fourthly their cry is literally for iustice and reuenge vpon their enemies persecutors and sheaders of their bloud Doth mindfulnesse of iniuries remaine in Saints departed They then are lesse charitable then Saints on earth Steuen at his death prayed for his enemies This place proueth not that Saints departed pray particularly here for vs on earth but rather they pray against the enemies of the Church 2. Pet. 1. 15. I will endeuour after my decease to haue remembrance of these things Answ This is not meant by his intercession to God after death but of his then present and diligent writing to them while he was aliue whereby they might bee made to remember after his decease what hee had taught them by word of mouth or writing while he liued 1. King 2. 13 19. Adoniah had a suite to Solomon and used the helpe of Bathsheba to him Absalom vsed Ioabs intercession for him to Dauid 2. Sam. 14. So should we goe vnto God by Saints intercessors for vs. Answ 1. Similitudes are for illustration but doe not proue any thing especially thus detorted absurdly Secondly the case is not alike as betweene man and man so betweene God and vs in this case Hee is God and so euery where and not as man circumscribed in a place To man wee cannot speake when and where we would but to God wee may whose eyes and thoughts are not like to mans Esai 55. Man through pride will not or through carelesnesse regards not or through ignorance knowes not or through businesse is hindered so as hee cannot helpe such as come for helpe or his attendants about him may keepe Petitioners from him so as they cannot speake to him But there are no such lets in God The Simile therefore is not fit Thirdly this is voluntarie humilitie which caused the worship of Angels by certaine Heretikes which the Apostle condemneth Col. 2. 18. Fourthly wee need no Saints to goe to God for vs for wee haue appointed by God himselfe a Mediatour of intercession betweene God and vs his Sonne Iesus Christ by whom boldly with confidence we may goe to God Ephes 3. 12. Heb. 4. 16. 10. 22. 7. 25. Fiftly as for any to goe betweene Christ and vs wee neede it not For he is the Head and all wee the members of his bodie as well those in earth as those in heauen wee here on earth being as deare to him as those in heauen Hee sitteth in heauen to request for vs and is a most mercifull High Priest touched with our infirmities Heb. 4. 15. Therefore hee tooke our nature vpon him Heb. 2. 16. to be a faithfull and mercifull High Priest verse 17. Steuen made no meanes to him but prayed immediately to him Act. 7. 59 60. and so did Iohn Reuelation 22. 20 21. Christ willeth vs himselfe to come vnto him Math. 11. 28. And we reade not that any of the Apostles or holy men praying mentioned in Scripture did euer goe to Saint or Angell to make request for them Also to answer the Simile Is there any of vs hauing a great mans Command in all our needs to come to himselfe giuing his faithfull word and promise to heare our suites requests very readily at any time and none appointed by him to heare suiters when they come but onely himselfe attending mercifully in his owne person for vs in open place without let of any that would goe first to any of his seruants and not forthwith rather to himselfe with all gladnesse I appeale to mens owne hearts in this Lastly this putting of Saints betweene Christ and vs is to make an Intercessor and to hold Saints departed if wee were sure they could heare vs which yet is very vncertaine to bee more louing more tenderly affected toward vs then Iesus Christ himselfe who hath with his owne bloud bought both them and vs. Scriptures obiected that wee may pray to God to haue our Petitions granted in fauour and merit of Saints departed Exod. 32. 13. Remember Abraham Isaac and Israel thy seruants to whom thou swarest c. Answ 1. Here is no merit of Saints vrged Secondly their persons are mentioned by Moses not for their owne worthinesse but for the Couenant which by oath God confirmed to them which Couenant Moses vrgeth not their deserts For Moses speakes of Gods act to them but not a syllable of any thing that they either did or spake note it well 2. Chron. 6. 16. Keepe with thy seruant Dauid my Father that which thou hast promised Answ 1. Here is no word no worke of Dauid remembred and therefore no merit of his vrged Secondly that which Salomon alledgeth in his prayer it Gods promise made vnto Dauid So in 2. Chro. 1. 9. in 1. Chro.