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A09880 A consideration of the depriued and silenced ministers arguments, for their restitution to the vse and libertie of their ministerie exhibited in their late supplication, vnto the honorable states assembled in this present Parliament. By Gabriel Powel. Powel, Gabriel, 1576-1611. 1606 (1606) STC 20142; ESTC S120763 50,016 84

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againe like to be of any other Parliament Ergo. They ought to do good now by restoring the Deprived and Silenced Ministers ANSWER 1. BVt it hath not beene yet proued that to restore the Refractarie Ministers is to doe Good and not rather to doe hurt and to sinne by being cause of nourishing faction and dissention in the Church 2. The Errours be 1. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 2. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 3. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 IV. REASON The Refractarie Ministers would be very glad if they were comforted restored and let alone Ergo. They ought so to be ANSWER SO would all Schismatiques Heretiques Papists Atheists yea all malefactors murtherers theeues cut purses be very glad if they were comforted deliuered and let alone V. REASON The House of Parliament by their mercy shewed towards the Refractarie Ministers shall not onely treasure vp comfort vnto themselues against the day of their death but shall also make their olde Age the more honourable and their names memorable amongst all posteritie Ergo. They ought so to do ANSWER 1. IF by Mercy they meane their reclaiming from Schisme and faction I grant the whole 2. But if they meane their Restoring againe they continuing still the same men they are now then is the Antecedent a foule begging of the Question and the Argument inconsequent 3. For contrariwise it may be concluded The House of Parliament by restoring Schismaticall Ministers to disquiet the peace of the Church shall not onely attract guilt and remorse of conscience but also preiudice their honourable Age and make their names reproachfull amongst all posteritie VI. REASON As Iael was blessed aboue other women dwelling in tents for driving a nayle into Siseraes head So should these Parliament Men be blessed aboue many former if they vtterly tooke away all the Whore of Romes ornaments yet remayning c. Ergo. They ought to do so ANSWER 1. THe instance is altogither different For Sisera was a speciall enemie of the Children of Israel and of the Church of God Iudg. 4.2 But the Ornaments the Suppliants speake of are the good Creatures of God hauing no hurt or ill in them 2. Neither were the Popish idolatrous Priestes ever decked with our Ornaments neither are they now 3. Neither were our Ornaments ever worshipped or abused to Idolatrie neither are they yet 4. Neither if they had beene is it absolutely necessarie to destroy the Substance of them togither with the abuse but the abuse is to be abolished and the true vse restored The reasons hereof and cautions to be vsed in this point I haue layde downe in another place Chap. 11. Lib. de Adiaph 5. The Errour is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 And 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 XVII ARGVMENT TO conclude therefore whilst ye haue time and whilest it is called to day feare that ye shal never hereafter haue the like time and oportunitie that now ye haue and therefore as Bathsheba said to her most princely sonne Lemuell Open thy mouth for the dumme and in the cause of all the children of destruction open thy mouth iudge righteously and iudge the afflicted and the poore Pro. 31.8.9 So say I to all them that by their place may any way do good to the Church of God and to any afflicted and poore members thereof Yea as the said Queene Bathsheba saith before giue yee strong drinke to him that is ready to perish and wine vnto them that haue griefe of heart that he may drinke and forget his povertie and remember his miserie no more Pro. 31.6.7 So I doe wish all them that are of any authoritie or in any place of grace and favour especially this present high Court of Parliament to giue a plentiful boll of the strong drinke of their comfortable favour yea an whole flagon ful of the wine of their grace that they that are now poore and haue bin long heavy harted for the a) Beging of the Question Let the suppliants looke into themselues and bevvaile the corruptions they shall see there corruptiōs ruins of Syon that in the greif of their hearts are ready to perish may drink so deeply therof that they may forget their poverty and remēber their misery no more Iob said that he had not contēned the iudgmēt of his servāt neither of his maide when they contēded with him Iob. 31.13 How much lesse thē is the b) Impudent begging the Question iudgment of the ministers of the gospel yea of the mother 06 of vs al the Church of God yea of God himself of Christ Iesus of the holy Angels of our selues our posterity finally of king and kingdom as hath bin shewed to be neglected As Hamā said of the Iewes to Ahashuerosh that they were a people scattered dispersed among the people in al provinces of his kingdome having lawes divers from all people and not observing the Kings lawes and that therfore it was not for the Kings profite to suffer thē Ester 3.8 So I am not ignorant that these ministers of the Gospell of whom I haue now in these Arguments made so often mention are c And that iustly if you meane the state of the Church charged as enimies to the state perturbers of the Church seditious schismaticall c. But if it were lawfull and free for these men to expostulate with the state touching the former matters as David did with the Lords annoynted Saule they might not onely say with David Wherefore do ye giue eare to mens words that say behold David seeketh evill against you 1. Sam. 24.10 But they might also plead their innocency as David doth his verse 12. Vnderstand and see that there is neither evil nor wickednesse in vs neither haue wee sinned against you But in the meane time this they may boldly say that as the former hath bin an old accusation in all ages even against the best friends of the Church and state so it is answered by the D. King in his 42. lecture vpon Ionas pag. 171. out of Augustine that such accusations are rather by confiction then by conviction And therefore as our most gratious Queene of most happie memory Queene Elizabeth before she was Queene in her distresse in the dayes of Queene Mary wrot with her Diamond in a glasse window at Woodstocke Much suspected by me Nothing proved can be Even d Not so so may these men both speake and write the same of themselues As for such e An vniust calumnie accusers as are alwayes provoking all men especially Princes and Nobles against them I wish them to take heed of that fearefull cursse wherwith f As if Dauids case and the Schismaticall Ministers were the same David cursed those children of men before the Lord that had sturred vp Saule against him and that by that meanes had cast him out from abiding in the inheritance of the Lord saying go serue other Gods 1 Sam 26.19 For my part I pray that God may giue them a better minde that so
wit that the Refractary Ministers quarell against the Church of England is the Ministery of the Gospel the Saluation of the people c. Whereas indeed all the contention is about Crosse Surplice and some other in different Ceremonies Actions in the Church And all these Argumēts do make specially against thē seeing they be onely disturbers of the sincere professiō of the Gospell worke of the Ministery yea seeing they forsake their calling moue so great concentions and brawles about so small matters Ioseph hauing interpreted the dreame of Pharaoh his chiefe Butler touching his reconciliation againe to the grace of Pharaoh and the recouery of his former place of honourable seruice before Pharaoh desired him to hace him in eemēbrance when he should be reconciled and restored Gen. 40.41 So it is recorded by the holy Ghost and acknowledged by the said Butler as a great fault that he had not remembred Ioseph but forgotten him Gen. 40.23 41.9 If it were so great a fault in Pharao his butler not to remember and speake for one Ioseph that had interpreted one dreame touching his reconcilement to a mortall Prince and the recouery of an earthly preferment neyther of which notwithstanding he knew not how long he shuld enioy at the most he could not enioy them any longer then during onely naturall life how great them is the fault of all those that neglect to speake for many ministers of the Gospell that haue not once but often and dayly interpreted many mysteries of God touching their reconciliation with God himselfe and their euerlasting aduancement in heauenly places Ephes 2.6 To walke in white with Christ Iesus yea to sit also with him in his throne as he himselfe sitteth in the throne of his Father Apoc. 3.5 21. Yea verily as the fault of the Butler was the lesse because being enlarged he had none to remember him of that duty so the fault of those shal be the greater that haue many b) Would God they were half so diligent in a good cause as they are importunate to sow schisme sedition amongst Bretheren But they deserue small cōmendation and thankes of any good Christian for their importunity and earnestnesse herein dayly to put them in mind thereof and to prouoke them therevnto and yet for all that doe hold their peace Resolution of the 3. Argument It is a sinne not to recompence a good turne receiued Ergo. The refractary Ministers are to be regarded spoken for ANSWER 1. It is true good deedes must be rewarded specially the Ministers faithfull labours The Apostle saith 1. Cor. 9.11 If we haue sowen vnto you spirituall things is it a great thing c. 2. But in that the Refractary Ministers haue looked backe and withdrawne their hands from the plough Luk. 9.62 making a manifest schisme and disturbing the peace of the Church this deserueth no recompence 3. The errour is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 And 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 IV. ARGVMENT THe whole Armie of Israell spake with great courage in behalfe of Ionathan thus Shall Ionathan dye who hath mightely deliuered Israel God forbid As the Lord liueth there shall not one hayre of his head fall to the ground for hee hath wrought with God this day 1. Sam. 14.45 Were this common people that liued vnder the Lawe and which had not had so plentifull and cleare instruction as is now reuealed by the Gospel were this common people I say so a) Ionathans case and the Schismatical Ministers is altogether vnlike See the Answer And the vrging of this zeale hauing not the like cause seemes to be very dāgerous But I spare my Brethren zealous for Ionathan in regard onely of a bodily deliuerance from bodily enimies whereof he had not beene the Author but onely an instrument of God and shall not this high Court of Parliament now assembled being the chiefe flower of this whole Realme of England and representing the whole Realme bee zealous and earnest for many whom God hath vsed as his instruments and who haue wrought with God and daily would so worke with God if b) The greater is their sin whose Superstition wilful obstinacy hath restrayned their liberty made them vnseruiceable in the Church they may haue liberty for the spiritual deliuerance of many thousands frō spirituall enimies euen to turne them from darkenesse to light from the power of Satan to God that they may haue forgiuenes of sinnes inheritance among them that are sanctified by faith in Christ Act. 26.18 Resolution of the 4. Argument Such whom the Lord hath made his instruments for the spirituall deliuerance of many thousands from spirituall enemies are to be respected and recompensed Ergo. The Refractary Ministers are to be remembred and restored ANSWER 1. This Argument is paralell vnto the former and is there fully answered 2. The Ministers in deliuering thousands from spirituall enemies did but their duty for which they deserue loue of the people and commendation of all men but they should still haue cōtinued faithfull in their Ministery and not shamfully haue forsaken their calling 3. Ionathans example alleadged by the Suppliants is vnlike vnto the Ministers case For Saul in deepe hypocrisie had made a rashe vowe that whosoeuer did taste any foode c. 1. Sam. 14.24 should be accursed and die the death wherefore the people iustly rescued him from the fury of Saul But the actions of our dread Soueraigne are not so exorbitant they are not rashe and heady but aduised and iust intended for vnity and quietnesse in the Church to preuent and represse phanaticall giddinesse schisme factions and innouation 4. The Errours of this Argument are aswell the same with the former as also 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 in the allegation of an impertinent Example V. ARGVMENT IT is not to be forgotten with what courage and good successe a) Impertinent Examples Nehemiah spake for the materiall Ierusalem to Artashasht an heathen and prophane King Neh. 2.2 c. as also how most vertuous and noble Q. Esther beeing indeed prouoked by poore Mordecai aduentured her selfe to speake to the like conditioned King Ahashuerosh in behalfe of the old people of God the Iewes for preuenting of their bodily bloodshed notwithstanding she had not beene called vnto the King in thirty dayes before and notwithstanding there were a lawe of the King that whosoeuer man or woman should come vnto the King in the inward Court not called should die except such as to whom the King should haue held forth his golden rod. It is not I say to be forgotten but religiously to bee remembred how notwithstanding the foresaid danger and her former feare and weakenesse in that respect yet at the last shee promised Mordecai to aduenture her selfe saying If I perish I perish and how also after prayer and fasting of her selfe her ladies and of the rest of the Iewes in Shushan for her she entered to the King and spake for her people and