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A18368 A treatise against iudicial astrologie Dedicated to the right Honorable Sir Thomas Egerton Knight, Lord Keeper of the great Seale, and one of her Maiesties most honorable priuie Councell. VVritten by Iohn Chamber, one of the prebendaries of her Maiesties free Chappell of VVindsor, and fellow of Eaton College. Chamber, John, 1546-1604. 1601 (1601) STC 4941; ESTC S107654 105,203 193

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euery 130. yeares quite otherwise then we will that make no alteration in the leape yeare Againe why may not any other of the three yeares be the fourth yeare as wel as the leape yeare CHAP. XXI A Peroration exhorting to the abolishing of Astrologicall blasphemie with an incouragement of them that haue to deale in the reformation of that vngodly abuse THus much in this Discourse to shew the abuse of a counterfeite arte I haue thought good to write at this time both that they which are ignorant may be seduced no longer that they which be otherwise may be stirred vp and put to an helping hand to the cleansing of Augiae stabulum that foule dung heap which as yet wanteth some Hercules And if my cariage in this cause hath beene such that I may seeme to haue said well I haue said as I wish and would if otherwise I haue said as I could hoping that this good at least shall come of my paines that others who can do better either will beare with me for my endeuour in so weightie a cause accepting my good will according to that In magnis voluisse sat est in matters of importance the will is to be accepted or will be readie to second mee with their best aide remembring that good admonition of the Poet si quid nouisti rectius istis Candidus imperti si non his vtere mecum If you know better then that which is said put to your hand and giue vs your aid The allegations and proofes that haue beene vsed you see are not slender or lightly to bee passed ouer but drawne from the best Philosophers and Diuines of all ages You may see not what Plato Aristotle Seneca and such others doe iudge how good Emperours and Kings both Christian and others haue banished all this kind but also what Fathers Doctours Councels from time to time haue thought of them nor that onely which were notwithstanding enough But least by anie meanes you should hold your selues excusable you haue hard how God himselfe doth somtimes threaten sometimes taunt euer terrifie this vngodly crue Wherefore to them that the reformation of so great an abuse belongeth be it spoken if you regard not the wisdome of Philosophers nor the authoritie of Emperours yet hearken to the godly and religious councels of Fathers and Diuines if not to them neither because they are men yet respect the maiestie and will of God who is in this case verie iealous and will not be mocked Sigenus humanum mortalia temnitis arma At sperate Deum memorem If mortall men and humane armes you nothing do regard Yet feare that God which good and bad most iustlie doth reward It was some thing in the bad iudge that heard the widow at last euen for her importunitie neither for Gods sake nor mans sake but euen to be rid of her In this case we are to hope better of them that are to deale in it that they will proceed so in rooting out this superstitious relique as shall become a good conscience that they will take the enimies of God as their owne enemies as did Dauid inimici facti sunt mihi I haue counted them as mine enimies for how can you euer be thought to loue God if you hate not his enemies Wherefore perswade your selues that so much hatred as you haue to this profession or rather superstition so much loue you haue to God and no more If these things be not better looked to no doubt it will go better with manie heathen and Infidels then with vs they shall rise vp in iudgement against vs. Wherefore euen to this we may well reply that of the Apostle If anie be not carefull to condemne and expell this vngodly arte he hath denied the faith and is worse then any infidell Heathen Chalcas in Homer wold not rely vppon dreames but that he thought they came from God for so it appeareth by those words Iliad 1. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and shall we embrace and admit those things by crediting them which are only not allowed of God but also verie offensiue to him and expressely forbidden by him For the better stirring vp of our slackenesse and putting some edge in vs I could wish that this vile profession had some Colledges and endowments of reuenues and lands such as the Chaldeans had in Babylon then I doubt not but there would start vp a number that would be verie nimble and helping in this cause if not for the goodnes of the cause yet for the fatnesse of the spoile which would follow their ouerthrow But here we see that true in vs which was wont to be said of the Church of Rome Curia Romana non captat ouem sine lana The Church of Rome wil neuer pull At sheepe alone but with the wooll And no penie no Pater-noster but euen of these reformers if they will do any good in the cause we will be ready to take it acording to that abs quiuis homine beneficium neuer refuse a good turne at any mans hand acknowledging so much by the warrant of our Sauiour that they that are not against vs are with vs. So long as this abuse remaineth wee are still in Babylon for that is not Babylon vbi dicitur altam Coctilbus muris cinxisse Semiramis vrbem Which Queene Semiramis hath fenc'd a goodly height and tall With baked brickes whereof she made an admirable wall But that is Babylon where Babylonicall superstitions are maintained or suffered in which so long as we continue we can neuer truly say cecidit Babylon but still we haue neede to haue that sounded in our eares Exite de illa populus meus Reuelat. 18.4 Deuteron 18 1● We learne that the star-gasers are detested of God that for harkning to thē the heathen were cast out of their countries then what shall become of vs If the heathen could not scape in their ignorance what shal become of vs who thinke our selues so learned and brag of the word which notwithstanding if we do not looke better to these things we had better neuer haue known Let vs not be wiser then God himselfe Let vs not deceiue ourselues playing wily beguily God is not mocked If we be his schollers let vs beleeue In all artes Discentem oportet credere the scholler must beleeue his master If we trust our selues we do but deceiue our selues as the Iewes did in this very case Esay 47.10 to whom it is there said that their wisdom knowledge had deceiued them Wherefore to them who haue to do in this reformation let vs say that Esay 47.13 Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels Let now the astrologers stargazers prognosticators stand vp and saue thee from these things that shall come vpon thee As for the wisards Astrologers themselues let them hear that in the same place they are become as stubble the fire hath consumed them neither shall they deliuer their soules from the hand of the