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A91787 An ansvver to the London ministers letter: from them to his Excellency & his Counsel of VVar; as also an answer to John Geree's book, entituled, Might overcomming right; with an answer to a book, entituled, The Armies remembrancer. Wherein it appears the accusations of the Army are unjust, and the Armies proceedings justified by the Word of God, and by the light of nature and reason. Also a discovery of that learning, and ordination these ministers have, and the vanity and insufficiencie thereof, by the Word of God, and that those are the things with which they delude and deceive the people. / By Samuel Richardson. Richardson, Samuel, fl. 1643-1658. 1649 (1649) Wing R1402; Thomason E540_8; ESTC R203398 36,328 40

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should take such oathes as are so intricate and disputable I would see Scripture for I read an ●ath is to put an end strife but not to begin one that I may swear what I shall do for the future is not so clear as some would have it if it be a duty a restriction is as perfect or included as this you grant I may swear I will protect and defend the Magistrates person c. but not in evill if he after set upon me to rob and kill me in the high-way I will kill him rather then be killed the Law counts this no murder if this be granted the whole argument is granted For he is as much a Magistrate in the high-way as in another place and if he may be resisted in evill in one place more then in another In small matters therefore in greater if men binde themselves by oath it concernes every one to take heed what they do to have a good ground for taking them and great heed lest they break them It is no slight matter to doe and undoe if lawfull it is a sin to break it if unlawfull it was a sin to make it I heartily wish that men were more backward in taking them and more forward in keeping them if they can can keep them without sin if lawfull to sweare and not to keep it is a great aggravation Remonstrating against proceedings of Parliament if it be your duty to Remonstrance against the just proceedings of the Army why may not they Remonstrance against evill proceedings wickednesse in high places is worst of all and most dangerous Moses calling it a gathering together against the Lord and warnes the people to avoid their company Numb. 16. after the earth opened and swallowed them up we have more cause to say the same of you we do seriously beseech you to recede from these evill waies and content your selves within your own bounds put none in feare we say the same to you if you persist in these wayes your sin shall find you out if ye suffer as busie bodies in other mens matters this is fitly applied to your selfe who daily persist to stir up the people to sedition it concernes those in Authority to prevent it whom I earnestly beseech not to suffer you in the Pulpits to meddle with matters Civill or that which concerns the State it is like the simple that beleeveth every word will beleeve you to their owne ruin it is a cause of conscience to maintain those I judge enemies and whether if I looke upon you to be so I ought not to proceed further I hope they will take an order with you but for liberty to print I wish you as much liberty as any the more you print the more your wickednesse will appeare three of you have written against the Army and it is one and the same thing you all sing one song if not in the same words you have spit all your poison you cannot say no more then is in the Armies remembrances against them we aske you no favour be silent in the Pulpit and do your worst you require proof of the spirits falling upon the multitude of persons to act contrary to manifest Precepts you would have them prove your notion I dare say they never said no such thing much lesse alledged it to prove their practice do you present this to make them odious be not deceived God is not mocked they who have usurped authority seldome or never promoted publike weale or libertie who knowes what the Armies designe may come to you do not know therefore if any aske you say you cannot tell we know no usurpers of Authority but the Presbyters all this life is for their unworthy interest one of you said in Sion Colledge they would rather side with the Kings party the Army for then your Government will be a going on but the Army of Sects would not do any thing for your Government before I heard it I thought somthing was the matter when I heard that you spake the language of the old Cavees now it is apparent to all that know you that you that oppose the proceedings of the Army are possessed with the same spirit they are The Armies Principles are wicked they that have the power is to judge what will follow This will follow that Masters will take account of their Servants what worke they doe this is the conclusion we see it was needfull to have a President right or wrong he that hath the longest sword will judge if these Ministers judge and determine and pronounce the sentence the curse what would they do if they had the power in their hands we dare not say the blessing of the Lord be upon you there is not any that I know desire you to say so we know it is little worth they have had your blessing have not prospered the blessing of God is upon them God hath blessed them and they shall be blessed now are the faces of Gods servants covered with shame and their hearts filled with sorrow and like to become a scorne and reproach to all the Christian world our hearts rejoyce in what they have done you judge your selves godly confusion prophanenesse irreligion now is Religion made to stinke by reason of your miscarriages unwarrantable courses this belongs to you When they have done their work he will visit them with his loving kindnesse and send for them home It was once a crime of the highest nature to indeavour the subversion of fundamentall Lawes it was not the Parliaments purpose to overthrow the fundamentall constitution of the government of the Kingdome or to give power to any to do it if they would have taken away bad ones and given us better they had not done us any hurt is the purposes of men Lawes and Rules to themselves and others if no why do ye urge it if ye deny it and if you please to try what truth is in it 1. It is a breach of priviledge to arest and imprison a Member of Parliament it is contrary to Law he is an enemy to the State I grant it in a cause of a particular debt the intent of the Law is good to prefer the publike before a particular better one person suffer then the Kingdome for they are many it is the priviledge to the State for the Members freely to sit if this be the intent of the Law the Army kept this Law for they preserved the publike before particular persons it is a priviledge to the Kingdome for the Parliament to sit and do them good for to that end they were sent to sit but if their sitting doeth the Kingdome mischiefe then it is priviledge to the people to hinder their sitting reasons undeniable have been given to prove the truth of this namely that their sitting tended to the destruction of the Kingdome therefore in hindering them they have kept the Law and done good service to the Kingdome therefore the Kingdome are beholding to them for
them in and keep out the enemy and if he doeth it he hath broak the Letter of the Law but kept the substance of the Law if he had observed the Letter he had not kept the intent of it Suppose the Magistrate find fault with him for not doing as he bid him it 's without a cause he hath done no hurt but good in saving their lives who are without lyable to perish and so did the Army in not disbanding had the Army been a cause of their owne and our sufferings and they had lost the fruit of all their victories if they had laid downe their Armes some others would have taken them up You have ingaged your selves by Oath to preserve his Majesties Person and priviledge of Parliament this is most cleare that no necessity can justifie perjury or dispense with lawfull oathes the bond and tie of an Oath and Covenant is religious and sacred and invincible who will require it at your hands broken Ezek. 17. 14. And necessity cannot dispense with an oath nothing can give one leave to be forsworne an oath is of an absolute indispensible authority If what you say be true are you not perjured miserably forsworne have you forgot what you have sworn covenanted Canonicall obedience c. But of this more when you write againe Secondly You take that for granted which is to prove we deny they are forsworn your saying so is no proof we are willing to put it to the triall and able to prove the contrary The Oath Covenant is to be interpreted according to his sense that gave it and not in his sense that tooke it this you would have but it 's not lawfull to grant it it is not to be interpreted neither in his sense that gave it nor in his that takes it but according to the expresse words of the Covenant If it were granted to either to put what sense they thought fit they might sweare one thing and do another if he intends it to inslave If a Presb●ter give or take the Covenant he thinks he sweares to maintaine Presbyterian Government of which there is not the least word mentioned in the Covenant there is mention of a government according to the Word of God and that is not their Presbytery by their own confession The Assembly of Divines confesse it is not jure divino I am mistaken if they did not sweare the government of Archbishops was agreeable to the Word of God but the Presbytery is the nearest to it if so be but neare to it then it is not it In the Scriptures is prescribed a Government for the Church the House of God Presbytery they say is not it but neare to it If then Presbyterian government had in expresse words been in the Covenant and I had taken it I could with a good conscience have broke my oath for that oath that is not lawfull to take is not lawfull to be kept it is not lawfull for me to sweare to maintain a government for Christs that is not his though it be never so neare it or like it But say they we swore to maintain that government that is according to the best reformed Church for each of theirs is the best in their judgments and consciences els I should wonder if they should approve and practise contrary to their consciences yea and he that denieth all Church-government may take the Covenant without scruple because the Covenant expresses none and he believes there is none and when he seeth which it is he will owne it and defend it and before it is unreasonable to expect it from him I wonder the Priests should so take the Covenant for the text and preach so on it there is nothing in that which is so cleer to them what is plainly expressed they cannot agree how the words are to be read the Priests read to protect the person of the King and there make such a full stop and go no further others say they must read on and take with it in the defence maintenance and protection of the King in his just Rights and what they are men cannot agree Some say his just Rights are to be King others say he hath lost all his just Rights others say it is his just right to lose his life the Covenant resolves this not I cannot tell what are his just Rights nor can learn what the Covenant meanes or requires I must leave it to the Schollers and those that can tell The like may be said for the other branches of the Covenant If an oath be indispensable then persons must sin rather then break it and then the vow of single life binds be the cause what it will and so if any have sworn to murder a thousand persons or more it seems they must do it is not this the Popes Doctrine to murder Kings and others which is to be detested That an oath binds more then the Law of God we deny and put you to prove it Is there not the highest authority in Gods commands can any thing bind us more then his commands yet ye see Matth. 12. 1 to 7. they are dispensible You say an oath is part of the worship of God if it be but a part of it it is not more then the whole also Gods worship must give place to acts of mercy and love I will have mercy 〈◊〉 not sacrifice Hosea 6. 6. Mal. 12. 7. it was lawfull to neglect the publike worship and command of God to give suck c. in that they were not blamed for not going to Jerusalem to worship though all were commanded to goe thither No necessity is sufficient to dispense with a morall Law is it not a morall duty to worship God swearing is a part of instituted worship but meerly naturall or morall as you call it wee need not bee inforced to doe that which is naturall an oath that is detrimentall to a particular Law must bee kept Psal. 15. 4. I grant it if it bee in that or the like cause but not in all causes that can be named for what is not lawfull to sweare is not lawfull to be done because they have sworn to doe it No hunger can make stealing no stealing Proverbs chap. 6. vers. 30. Wee allow not men when they are hungry to take that which is not their owne yet wee say that which in it selfe is stealing may lawfully bee done without sin if the hunger be of that extremity as to indanger life and no other help or remedy can be had then it is not stealing yet restitution is to be made to affirme it is stealing is to maintain that a man may sin to save his life if I ought to break the Oath I am not forsworne to do it when two duties come together at one time and I cannot do both the one for that present ceaseth to be a duty this was Davids cause it eating the Shew-bread no man may tell a lye nor commit any sin to save his life and that men