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A62870 Præcursor, or, A forerunner to a large review of the dispute concerning infant-baptism wherein many things both doctrinall and personal are cleared, about which Mr. Richard Baxter, in a book mock-titled Plain Scripture-proof of infants church-membership and baptism hath darkned the truth / by John Tomes. Tombes, John, 1603?-1676. 1652 (1652) Wing T1812; ESTC R27540 101,567 110

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wickedness_n of_o the_o anabaptist_n now_o live_v i_o can_v divine_v except_o it_o be_v because_o if_o he_o or_o other_o speak_v of_o they_o while_o they_o live_v they_o may_v be_v convince_v of_o lie_v as_o beza_n do_v the_o tale_n of_o his_o die_v a_o papist_n they_o be_v not_o so_o many_o nor_o so_o formidable_a in_o power_n or_o so_o spiteful_a in_o spirit_n that_o it_o shall_v be_v unsafe_a for_o mr._n b._n to_o tell_v the_o worst_a he_o know_v of_o they_o however_o i_o think_v of_o any_o man_n mr._n b._n being_n according_a to_o his_o declaration_n of_o himself_o in_o such_o expectation_n of_o death_n as_o near_o and_o so_o resolute_a to_o speak_v truth_n shall_v not_o be_v move_v by_o the_o unsafenesse_n of_o speak_a truth_n yea_o if_o mr._n b._n shall_v speak_v all_o he_o can_v i_o think_v he_o shall_v not_o more_o exasperate_v they_o then_o he_o have_v do_v part_n 2._o chap._n 14._o those_o that_o sit_v at_o the_o stern_a i_o can_v yet_o learn_v have_v such_o hard_a thought_n of_o they_o as_o mr._n b._n and_o he_o that_o read_v mr._n edward_n gangraena_fw-la mr._n baillee_o his_o anabaptism_n and_o other_o write_n may_v imagine_v that_o if_o there_o be_v worse_a matter_n to_o charge_v they_o with_o they_o will_v not_o be_v spare_v in_o this_o age_n especial_o by_o those_o that_o be_v out_o of_o their_o reach_n after-historian_n may_v relate_v as_o partial_o as_o the_o present_a and_o therefore_o i_o shall_v not_o think_v it_o lawful_a to_o condemn_v they_o upon_o such_o dark_a intimation_n as_o this_o but_o think_v the_o better_a of_o they_o till_o their_o wickedness_n be_v lay_v open_a 4._o say_v mr._n b._n yet_o if_o you_o have_v name_v that_o society_n that_o
page_n 54._o where_o he_o confess_v ingenuous_o thus_o anabaptistas_n paedobaptismo_fw-la oblainantes_fw-la apertis_fw-la testimoniis_fw-la ferire_fw-la non_fw-la possumus_fw-la vesaniam_fw-la his_fw-la tell_v comprimimus_fw-la 1._o ex_fw-la parallelo_fw-la praecepto_fw-la de_fw-la circumci_fw-la sione_n 2._o ex_fw-la praxi_fw-la apostalica_n quae_fw-la quum_fw-la aliquanda_fw-la fit_a obscurior_fw-la consuetudinem_fw-la totius_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la à_fw-la primaevis_fw-la &_o historicis_fw-la temporibus_fw-la adjicimus_fw-la juae_fw-la licet_fw-la praefractos_fw-la anaboptistas_n non_fw-la movebunt_fw-la apud_fw-la prudentes_fw-la morigeros_fw-la &_o aejuos_fw-la renum_fw-la aestimatores_fw-la valebunt_fw-la so_o that_o according_a to_o he_o the_o main_a weight_n lie_v on_o the_o custom_n of_o the_o church_n which_o be_v false_o imagine_v to_o have_v be_v from_o the_o apostle_n as_o in_o some_o measure_n be_v prove_v in_o my_o examen_fw-la part_n of_o the_o first_o not_o yet_o shake_v by_o mr._n ms._n friend_n with_o all_o his_o insight_n antiquity_n from_o which_o i_o infer_v that_o the_o ancient_n and_o learned_a afore_o zuinglius_fw-la do_v account_v infant-baptism_n to_o have_v be_v a_o unwritten_a tradition_n have_v reason_n from_o scripture_n not_o evident_a of_o itself_o but_o to_o be_v receive_v for_o the_o determination_n of_o the_o church_n and_o that_o because_o it_o be_v not_o full_o perfect_a therefore_o confirmation_n be_v add_v which_o be_v retain_v in_o the_o english_a liturgy_n as_o necessary_o previous_a to_o the_o lord_n supper_n nor_o do_v many_o of_o the_o best_a learned_a protestant_n speak_v much_o otherwise_o out_o of_o the_o heat_n of_o dispute_n against_o anabaptist_n they_o be_v far_o from_o mr._n bs._n audaciousness_n to_o assert_v it_o as_o have_v plain_a scripture_n proof_n for_o it_o the_o very_a hesitant_n resolution_n of_o the_o most_o learned_a and_o considerate_a be_v enough_o to_o repress_v his_o vain_a attempt_n and_o to_o awaken_v those_o that_o depend_v on_o his_o proof_n and_o rest_n on_o their_o infant-sprinkling_a and_o neglect_v the_o practice_n of_o be_v baptize_v after_o profession_n of_o faith_n be_v so_o express_o enjoin_v in_o scripture_n as_o a_o prime_n important_a duty_n for_o their_o salvation_n sect_n xxi_o many_o thing_n be_v clear_v about_o my_o conformity_n anabaptist_n necessity_n to_o be_v baptize_v the_o manner_n of_o dip_v use_v by_o they_o their_z standing_z to_o their_o confession_n of_o faith_n etc._n etc._n page_n 241._o he_o say_v i_o begin_v with_o a_o complaint_n of_o my_o suffering_n whereas_o my_o word_n be_v a_o gratulation_n for_o the_o change_n of_o my_o condition_n and_o for_o my_o sad_a complaint_n mr_n b._n make_v they_o more_o than_o they_o be_v and_o misrepresent_v i_o in_o the_o time_n and_o reason_n of_o they_o i_o let_v pass_v his_o jerke_n about_o my_o health_n and_o my_o grievance_n of_o remove_v from_o bewdley_n his_o way_n to_o heaven_n and_o i_o mr._n b._n page_n 242_o will_v vindicate_v his_o passage_n i_o cite_v in_o the_o epistle_n to_o the_o people_n of_o bewdley_n but_o he_o pass_v over_o that_o which_o go_v before_o in_o my_o epistle_n and_o make_v no_o answer_n to_o any_o of_o these_o three_o thing_n 1._o that_o he_o assign_v no_o sufficient_a note_n whereby_o to_o discern_v the_o visible_a church-membership_a of_o infanr_n of_o which_o he_o speak_v 2._o that_o there_o be_v no_o connexion_n between_o his_o visible_a church-membership_a of_o infant_n and_o the_o initial_a seal_n without_o institution_n of_o the_o rite_n to_o be_v so_o use_v 3._o that_o in_o the_o positive_a rite_n of_o the_o new_a testament_n there_o be_v no_o reason_n to_o be_v a_o rule_n to_o we_o but_o the_o appointer_n will_v in_o some_o precept_n or_o practice_n and_o to_o show_v the_o precept_n to_o be_v against_o he_o his_o own_o word_n be_v allege_v and_o that_o right_o however_o he_o interpret_v or_o interlace_v they_o his_o interpretation_n agree_v not_o with_o his_o own_o passage_n appendix_n page_n 56._o which_o say_v neither_o be_v the_o seal_v useful_a till_o the_o accept_n and_o enter_v of_o the_o covenant_n where_o he_o place_v accept_v before_o enter_v the_o covenant_n and_o in_o both_o his_o passage_n speak_v of_o accept_v and_o enter_v with_o consent_n which_o infant_n can_v do_v page_z 243._o he_o say_v i_o seem_v to_o speak_v as_o if_o i_o have_v some_o of_o my_o old_a episcopal_a ceremonious_a spirit_n though_o he_o hope_v and_o believe_v very_o that_o i_o do_v not_o turn_v mere_o to_o the_o time_n though_o with_o the_o time_n to_o which_o i_o answer_v mr._n b._n be_v a_o stranger_n to_o i_o till_o a_o little_a afore_o these_o time_n and_o therefore_o be_v not_o fit_a to_o charge_v i_o with_o a_o episcopal_a ceremonious_a spirit_n be_v it_o worth_a while_n to_o trouble_v the_o world_n with_o it_o i_o can_v show_v how_o i_o examine_v as_o well_o as_o at_o those_o year_n i_o can_v the_o point_n in_o difference_n about_o which_o i_o be_v to_o subscribe_v and_o conform_v and_o however_o i_o be_v carry_v away_o with_o the_o stream_n yet_o my_o subscription_n be_v according_a to_o doctor_n burges_n his_o explication_n and_o my_o conformity_n upon_o mr._n spruit_n ground_n i_o be_v no_o promoter_n of_o either_o and_o in_o the_o worst_a time_n i_o think_v none_o can_v say_v but_o i_o stick_v fast_o to_o the_o main_a the_o propagate_a the_o gospel_n and_o conjunction_n with_o the_o godly_a and_o my_o oppose_v the_o bishop_n begin_v with_o the_o soon_a afore_o this_o parliament_n begin_v as_o soon_o as_o ever_o i_o deprehend_v the_o bishop_n to_o be_v whole_o for_o their_o own_o rule_n and_o adversary_n to_o the_o preach_n of_o the_o gospel_n and_o for_o my_o nonconformity_n reason_n be_v give_v with_o some_o of_o the_o first_o in_o a_o sermon_n at_o a_o visitation_n at_o lemster_n november_n 24._o 1641_o since_o print_v and_o what_o i_o say_v the_o ceremony_n be_v more_o excusable_a than_o paedobaptism_n be_v true_a 1._o they_o be_v not_o at_o first_o urge_v otherwise_o then_o as_o indifferent_a thing_n paedobaptism_n be_v urge_v as_o of_o divine_a appointment_n and_o yet_o the_o chief_a principle_n of_o non-conformists'_a do_v more_o strong_o plead_v against_o it_o then_o the_o ceremony_n 2._o paedobaptism_n not_o withstand_v the_o palliate_a salve_n of_o mr._n m._n mr._n b._n i_o find_v far_o more_o pernicious_a than_o the_o ceremony_n it_o be_v 1._o the_o great_a occasion_n of_o the_o soul-destroying_a presumption_n whereby_o a_o great_a part_n of_o man_n perish_v and_o the_o genuine_a hindrance_n of_o the_o reformation_n of_o the_o lord_n supper_n and_o church-communion_n 2._o it_o quite_o pervert_v the_o end_n and_o use_v of_o baptism_n which_o the_o ceremony_n do_v only_o in_o some_o sort_n disorder_n i_o justify_v not_o the_o ceremony_n and_o therefore_o i_o need_v not_o answer_v the_o man_n he_o name_v but_o their_o write_n yield_v strong_a argument_n for_o i_o against_o 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