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A26703 Cheirothesia tou presbyteriou, or, A letter to a friend tending to prove I. that valid ordination ought not to be repeated, II. that ordination by presbyters is valid : with an appendix in which some brief animadversions are made upon a lately published discourse of M. John Humfrey, concerning re-ordination / by R.A., a lover of truth and peace. R. A. (Richard Alleine), 1611-1681.; Humfrey, John, 1621-1719. Question of re-ordination. 1661 (1661) Wing A984; ESTC R3821 66,750 87

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shall be able to convert us by railing by bitter jeers or Sarcasmes the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God We shall think the cause is but weak which must be supported by opprobrious language This good Reader is all the trouble that is thought meet to be given thee by way of Preface O pray for the peace of Jerusalem 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 OR A Letter to a Friend tending to prove 1. That Valid Ordination ought not to be repeated 2. That ordination by Presbyters is valid SIR THat when you were invited to the constant preaching of the Word I perswaded you to be ordained is no matter of my repentance nor need it be any matter of your repentance that things standing as they then did you made choice to be ordained by meer Presbyters without a Bishop I had in my eye that of the Apostle How shall they preach except they be sent Rom. 10.15 that of the Prophet Jer. 23.21 I have not sent these Prophets yet they ran I have not spoken to them yet they prophesied v. 32. I sent them not nor commanded them therefore they shall not profit this people saith the Lord. Nor could I forget what holy zealous Luther hath in his Commentary on the Galathians Non satis est habere verbum puram doctrinam aportet etiam ut vocatio certa sit sine qua qui ingreditur ad mactandum perdendum venit nunquam enim fortunat Deus laborem eorum qui non sunt vocati quanquam quaedam salutaria afferunt tamen nihil aedificant You 't is like had in your thoughts the example of the Transmarine Reformed Churches and the judgement of our own Protestant Divines at home unanimously till of late determining Ordination by Presbyters to be valid But now it seems you begin to question whether you may not do that which will be a virtual and interpretative renouncing of your former Orders take a second Ordination from some Bishop and his Chaplains the grounds you go upon are 1. Because else it will not be possible to get any preferment in the Church 3. Because some that were voiced formerly to have more of the Presbyterian in them then you have already actually submitted to such a second Ordination To deal plainly with you either you are not the man that I have ever taken you to be or else you have alway had pectus praeparatum against all objections of this nature either you did not sit down and consider before hand what it would cost you to be a Minister of the Gospel or it is not possible that the two things you mention should weigh much with you Suppose the Anabaptistical Sectarian Phrensie should have so possessed the late Governours as that they would have collated no livings but on those who though baptized in infancy would afterwards take a second baptism at adult years Suppose also that some learned and seemingly godly men had yielded to Re-baptization would you forthwith have betaken your self to some pond or river and been dipped in the Name of the Father Son and Holy Ghost If so then your Religion is very much at the mercy of your Superiours and we may thank the Parliament for your Orthodoxy I presume you will reply the case is different that you may with better conscience take a second Ordination then a second Baptisme But I pray you where lies the difference Is Baptisme an Ordinance of God so is Ordination Is Baptisme a Sacrament so is not Ordination in the strict sense but quid hoc ad Iphicli boves It might be a Sacrament and yet be iterable for the Lords Supper is in the most proper and strict notion a Sacrament and yet by the appointment of God it is to be received more then once by all that have opportunity That Ordination is not a Sacrament makes it not iterable because the end unto which it is by God appointed is sufficiently attained by one administration of it and the end of Ordination being once attained to receive it a second time would be to take an Ordinance of God in vain as I shall by and by have occasion to prove more largely For this is the method I intend to use with you 1. To shew that you ought not to take Ordination from the Bishop except your Ordination by Presbyters was a meer nullity and in natura rei invalid 2. To shew that your Ordination by Presbyters was not cannot be rationally accounted a meer nullity These two things done 't will not be difficult for you to gather my sense about the case of conscience by you propounded As to the first I must premise two or three postulata and they shall be such things as to save my self a labour I shall desire may be granted but if they should not be granted I should be able easily to prove them 1. I suppose that you are certain you were ordained by Presbyters for if there could be an invincible doubt whether you were de facto ordained or no I should then grant you might for sureness sake be ordained in an Hypothetical form si non ordinatus sis c. 2. I suppose that when you were ordained by Presbyters such a form of words was used as made you a Minister not of any particular but of the Catholick Church for had you been made Minister only of that particular Church unto which you were first called then your relation to that Church ceasing you ceased to be a Minister and so are returned to the condition of a private Christian and therefore you know that the rigid sort of Independents do judge that when their Pastor preacheth out of his own Congregation he preacheth only as a gifted Brother and charitativè not as a Church-Officer or authoritativè 3. I suppose that if you be ordained by a Bishop you are to be ordained in such a form of words as is used when men are made ex non Ministris Ministri ex non Clericis Clerici This I suppose because I have all along heard that as many as have been re-ordained by the Bishops have been by them looked upon and considered as Laicks being first made Deacons then Priests in the very self-same form and order that they are ordained who never had any Consecration to the Ministerial Office Were your former Ordination only to be compleated and confirmed I would not inject the least scruple into your mind because I know that though your Ordination by Presbyters was lawful and sufficient to make you a Minister yet it was perhaps not exactly legal and Canonical at least if there be any Law extant in England declaring those and those only that are ordained by Bishops to be lawfully ordained 't is but prudential to procure some instrument to ratifie that which pievish people will be apt to take exception against You know the late Parliament hath made an Act in and by which all whether ordained by Bishops or Presbyters are confirmed in their livings