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A19948	A discourse of the conference holden before the French King at Fontain-bleau between the L. Bishop of Eureux, and Munsieur de Plessis L. of Mornay, the 4. of May 1600. Concerning certaine pretended corruptions of authors, cyted by the sayd Munsieur de Plessis in his booke against the Masse. Faithfully translated out of the French.		1600 (1600)	STC 6381; ESTC S109408	46,856	60

the which many good men had long grieued If to that purpose it might doe any seruice hee should thinke himselfe most happy with whatsoeuer losse otherwise that himselfe could be the first man to wish it burnt yea euen with his own hand Howbeit that he did hope that vpon vpright examination all the world should finde that hee had vsed all sincerity and great diligence albeit it was not greatly to be maruailed that among 5000. places or more there might passe some few wherein his eye his memory or euen his iudgement might waner which yet were such as could be of no importaunce to hurt the truth that he therein handled For savd he were all the bookes of the Doctors of the Romish Church that haue bin written within these hundred yeares as rigorously examined where should wee finde one that could abide the proofe Besides with his Maiesties leaue he protested that this was a perticuler action consequently could not preiudice the Doctrine of the reformed Churches of the Realme which was before him and should be after him and so continue for euer And then did they enter into the matter The first place out of Scotus THe first place that the Lord of Eureux did set vpon The 4. book of the Eucharist c. 9 p. 869. l. 26. of the first edi P. 936. lyne 2. of the 2. edition P. 7●● l. 25. of the 3 edition was taken out of the 869 Page lyne 26. of the Lord Plessis booke of the institution of the Eucharist namely within eyght leaues of the ende heere let the reader iudge what methode this is to examme a book according to the first edition in quarto which heer we will follow sauing that we will also in the margent quote the pages of the second or third editiō where we read these words Iohn Duns called Scot neere a hundred yeares after the counsel of Latran durst bring into question whether Christes body be really contained vnder the formes disputeth that he is not Against which place he pretendeth two matters the one that Scot maketh it not a controuersie whether the body of Christ bee really contained vnder the formes except in like manner as the Schoolemē vse to dispute of matters most resolued as Whether there be a God Whether there be but one god c. The other that the L of Ples had taken the opposition for the resolution in both these matters he pretended hainous vntruths To the 1. the L. of Ples aswered that wheras he said that Scot had brought into questiō Whether the body of christ be really contained vnder the formes he vnderstood it by the way of transubstantiation and his meaning did sufficiently appeare first in that in the Chap which is the ninth of the fourth booke he entreateth of the absurdities contradictions proceeding of the transubstantiation Secondly because in the same it is sayd A hundred yeares after the Councell of Latran that is to say after the Article of transubstantiation was established To the second that albeit the Schoolemen doe dispute their questions in vtramque partem yet doe they withall shew their owne inclination yea sometimes their perticuler resolution sauing that they make it to stoop to the Church of Rome And this did the Lord of Plessis vpholde to appeare in Scot in the de duction of this matter namely where he handleth the second member of this question Qualiter illud est possibile quod creditur How the realty that is beleeued is possible For after many disputations growing to the resolution he vseth these wordes which were shewed to the Lord of Eureux a Scorus printed at Paris by Io. Granion Spon the 4 of the Sē dist 10. quest 1 pa. 63. b. lit E. Concerning this article it seemeth vnnecessary to haue recourse to the conuersion of the bread into the body of Christ especially considering that euen from the beginning that this matter of the Sacrament was beleeued it was continually beleeued that the body of Christ altereth not out of his place in heauen to be heere and yet was it not thus manifestly beleeued at the beginning of this conuersion as it shall bee sayd dist xi And let the reader note that ouer agaynst this Article that beginneth Quantum ad istum artien'● nonvidetur necessarium sugiendum esse ad conuersionē pan●s in corpus Christi precipu● cū a pri●cipio exquo res imius sacramē● fuit credita fuit sempercre ditum quod corpus Christi ●●n mutatur de loco suo in c●elo vt sit hic tamen non fuit in principio ita manifeste creditū de ista conuersione vt dicetar dist 11. Quantum it is quoted in the Margent Resolutio-Scoti Scots resolusion So that by Scots resolution the Church did not alwayes beleeue the conuertion the conuersion is not necessary in the Sacrament Therefore did not the Lord of Plessis in this place take Scots opposition insteed of his resolution And this was gathered very briefe by such as writ for either side namely the Lords of Grigny Pasquier and Vassaut as likewise was all the rest that ensued Howbeit in that which the Lord of Plessis consequently dyd alleage concerning the xi Dist of the 4. booke q. 3. Scots opinion did yet more clearely appeare For after he hath cited Jnnocent the 3. de offic Missae par 3. cap. 26. to prooue three opinions vpon this argument The first b S●ctus in 4. sentent D. 11. qu. 3. fol. 31. lit B. Circa hoc erant tres opiniones Vna quod panis manet tamencū ipso vere est corpus Christi Alia quod panis non manet tamen non cōuertitur sed decinit esse vel per annichilationē vel per resolutionē in materiam vel per corruptionē in aliud Tertia quod panis transubstantiatur in corpus vinum in sangumem That the bread remayneth and yet the body of Christ is with the bread The second That the bread remaineth not and yet is not conuerted but ceaseth to be whether by being made nothing whether by being resolued into the first matter or corrupted into any other thing The third That the bread is transubstantiated into the body the wyne into the bloud He consequently commeth to ground the first opinion verye substantially in that hee sayth c 〈…〉 potest 〈◊〉 ista Transubstantiatione That the truth of the Eucharist may be kept without transubstantiatiō Secondly d Et pancis inter●ctis Substantia pants cum suis accidentil 〈◊〉 a que potest esse signum si ●ut sola accidentia imò magis quia substantia panis subspeciebus magis est nutrimentum quàm accidentia Ergo magis repraesentat corpus Christi in ratione nutrimenti spiritualis That the bread with the accidents thereof doth rather represent the body of Christ by an anologie of the bodily sust●na●●nce with the spirituall then they ●●oe by the only accidents Thirdly e Et