world this the true Ministry never did Micah 3.11 This is a mark of a deceiver which Magnus Bine bears Thou saith if I say you to thee or thou to thee all is one to thee and that the Greek hath but one word for both page 29. I answer Surely surely if thy conscience were not seared with a hot Iron thou durst not add lie to lie what may thy own Generation say of thee in this thing even the learned Rabbies and the very School-boyes can they read this thing and not say thou seeks to make lies thy refuge and though thou say the Lamb is thy friend and companion yet thou takes counsell at him who was a lyer from the beginning and his work thou dost in spreading abroad lies who faith that the Greek hath but one word for Thou and You O blush no lyer shall enter and I appeal to that in all the consciences of the learned company if thou lie not herein and in English letters I shall set down the same that others may mark and see thee as for the word Thou in Greek it is Su or after the dialect of the Dores Tu tuga tune 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and as for the word You or Ye implying more than one the Greek hath it Humeis 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 read all the Greek Testament over and shew me where ever they said Humeis 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 to one person which by interpretation is Vos Ye or shame with thy inward envy and publick lies Again thou saies to take off the Hat or not all is one to thee yet thou judges it to be like the Horse or Mule c. page 30. I answer thou being seared with a hot Iron with evil thoughts thou art judging the tender and yet thou being of Hamans line and off-spring thou art grieved that the inward Jews who dwell in the perfect law of God cannot bow nor follow the inventions of men and thou with a colour saith it is nothing to thee whether it be done or not done yet thou must pour forth thy venomous speeches against them who for conscience sake cannot do it Moses said unto Aaron and others uncover not your heads Lev 10 6. a Law against doing of it and all the people that were with David who was a King had every man his head covered 2 Sam. 15.30 and the three Children were cast into the fiery furnace not for keeping a Hat on but for that they could not bow to the Image which mans will set up Dan. 3 21. They had their Hats on their heads now if thou had been in these daies would thou have opposed these or told them they were like the Horse or Mule oh shame with thy envy and the salutations of the Saints we own but your heathenish customary words we deny as good morrow good even which salutations the holy men of God used not who gave out the Scriptures and for Cananitish inventions we are not to touch them tast them nor handle them but that the good day and the joyfull day may be known is our souls desire and by thy generation are many imprisoned and fined for not taking of the Hat this is Hamans rage against Moraecai the same seed to this day who cannot trangress the law of righteousness to please mens wills Thou saies thorough waiting thou found the great outcry against Tyth to be a wile of Satan to disharten and destroy the best of the Ministry that in their ruine every carnal form might advance it self till all was confounded page 30. I answer before thou wast pleading for a title of honour mastership now thou art pleading for the belly surely thou will come to the back before all be done and let all that are wise in heart judge whether thy waiting was at wisdoms gate at the posts of her door yea or nay and what it was that spoke to thee even the mother of many Harlots who would have her sons brought up and maintained in pride idleness and fulness of bread Rulers to you I direct my speech people give ye attention what a Ministry is it that you uphold think ye which nothing can keep it from being dishartened destroyed tuined and confounded but Tyth which is the wages of unrighteousness I call it the wages of unrighteousness because Christ who is the Lord our righteousness put an end to that Priesthood that took Tyth by a law their work and their wage and never confirmed it to any other Christ the end of all figures being come so is it an unrighteous wage it was contained in the hand-writing of Ordinances but lo Christ hath blotted out the same and he that brings up that to be read again which Christ blotted out be denies the substance of all figures and when as Christ sent out the twelve and the seventy who were freely to give as freely they had received to whom he appointed a wage and hire as I may so say which was to eat and drink such things as were set before them by them who received them and were worthy Mat. 10. Luke 10 here is no Tyth mentioned no bargaining for so much a year and with the world here is no mentioning as much as to eat with them much less to bargain with them for so much a year as you do they did not say to Christ what must not we have Tyth neither did they say we cannot but be ruined and confounded if we have not Tyth neither did they say it s a wile of Satan that would have us preach without Tyth and when Christ said to his Disciples Take no thought what to eat nor what to drink nor wherewith to be clothed after these things do the Gentiles seek Mat. 6.31 32. they did not reason as you do that their ministry could not be kept from ruine and destruction without Tyth so by thy own words take away Tything and take away your preaching O thy shame and wickedness appears to all that are not seared as thou art and this I say to thee that truth denies your ministry the truth is Christ who put an end to tyth and as truth arises in the inward parts such deny to pay tyth turn from you who would have that which Christ everlastingly put an end unto so art you left ministring unto and wrangling about the earth with such as are swallowed up in the earthly love as you are now saith Paul the sons of Levi c. had a commandment to take tyth Heb. 7.5 but he saith not that he had a commandement or any of the ministry of Christ so prove by Scripture that Christ gave a commandement for confirming tyth to his Disciples or Apostles or shew me an example that ever they took tyth or required tyth then shall you have tyth of Corn Pigs and Pullen c. without me bearing witness against it Again thou saies Thorough the Saints violence and rage one against another in their several forms and imaginations the great day of
Diana they were afraid of Diana's fall so they were malicious against the Apostles and thou confesses thou heard and hears a great cry against Tyth so art thou vexed and therefore thou acquaints the Nation that its Satans wile to ruine disharten and destroy the Ministry what is this but to provoke the deceived Nation to be zaelons for it if any judge ortherwise they may I know what I see and believe in Thou saies in thy self thou art broken thy glory is gone and thou art nothing but in Christ thou art whole page 56. I answer my soul hates all such juggling jumbling blending feigning fawning dissembling bewitching charming inchanting speeches as if one could be in self and in Christ both at once this is a judgement set up in the minds of most professors that though they be carnal earthy corrupt and unclean yet God looks upon them in Christ and so they are beautiful and comely as the Sun or the Moon this must be swept away with the rest of the refuge of lies God puts not on his white robes on the Devils black raggs who is in self and bring forth fruits of the flesh God sees them there and looks upon them to be there God accepts of none in his Son who are out of the Son so in self none are accepted in the Son but who abide in him and such sin not 1 Iohn 3.6 from such old things pass away 2. Cor. 5.17 but thy witchery thou poures out and saies thou art so and so in thy self and so and so in Christ when as these two Masters can no man serve nor be in he that is in Christ Self is denied he that is in Self Christ is denied thy Popish dreggs we savour so you that are hearers of this Magnus Bine and put into his mouth the saving of your Souls look after trust not vain man ask him these things Whether he be in Christ yea or nay if he say Yea then ask him how he can be in Christ who are found in the steps of them that Christ cried against and bearing the marks of false Prophets Pharisees and false Apostles as you may see if you try his practises by the Scriptures And if he say he is in Self then how he dare say he comes in the Name of Christ for such as are sent of Christ abides in the Doctrine of Christ and such as are in Self such runs un-sent for filthy lucre and so profits not the people at all Jer. 23.32 Thou saies I am completes in my form c. in my observations drawn sometime from the letter and sometime from my fancy in the mistery pag. 56. I Answer The letter is not the ground of my acting but the same they acted from who walked with God before the letter was given out and from which the letter was spoken forth and the kingdom of God comes not with observations so that way I look not for it but know it within as saith Christ Luke 17.21 and the Saints words I own in the same as spoke them forth they being a form of sound words so thou art seen to be neither in the form nor in the power who scoffs at the form of sound words or at me owning the form in its place but thou art telling of my fancy in the mysterie O thou unlearned one Christ the Mystery from thee is hid and sealed is any mans fancy in Christ the Mystery doth any mans fancy draw any thing from Christ Doth Christ feed any mans fancy with any thing but judgement Still thou would be reconciling and making an agreement betwixt light and darknesse fancy arises from that which must not enter the kingdom neither must it inherit if thou knew the flaming sword which thou guessest at thou would see that there is no growing up in nor drawing any thing from nor growing in fellowship with Christ the Mystery but as fancy and fancies ground is denied but we know the power of the Witnesses which shuts heaven that it rains not in the dayes of their Prophecy which turns waters into blood and smites the earth with plagues this is hid from thy eye Rev. 11.6 Thou saies Abraham c. paid Tyth before the Law Gen. 14. and surely they did it by a light within and this light was their Law pag. 57. I Answer Thus carnal minds argue 'T is true Christ put an end to the Figures under the Law but Tyth was before the Law before any Figures so not ended by Christ who put an end to the Figures that Tyth was paid before any Figures that I deny Abel offered Firstlings of the flock Gen. 4.4 and what this figured forth thou wilt know when thou knows him who is the first and the last who leads Joseph like a flock Noah built an Altar and offered the clean Gen. 8.20 Abraham built an Alter Gen. 12.8 Isaac built an Alter Gen 26.25 Jacob builded an Altar and called it El-clohe-Israel Gen. 33.20 and by commandment from the Lord Gen. 35 1. Now when Christ was come he put an end to all the Altars Sacrifices and Offerings as well before the law as under the law he being the Life End and Substance that all the outward pointed at now thou that saies whatever thou be that Tyth must be paid because it was paid before the law by the same Argument may one plead for building Alters and offering Sacrifices which was done before the law was received by Moses and Gen. 14.20 t is said Abraham gave him Tyth of all he saith not paid but gave now there is a difference betwixt a gift and a payment the one is free the other is a due debt either by loan or bargain And what if Abraham had given him all the spoyle is that any thing for the covetous Priest What Abraham did he did it freely what must a man give nothing but it must be confirmed by a law to the Priest the Jewish Priests required not Tyth from Abrahams free gift to Melchisedec but they had a command for it Heb. 7.5 It matters not what Abraham gave who saw the day of the Son but when the Son was come the Fathers gift he put an end to the first Priesthood the Law their Wage and all Figures as well before the law as under the law and that he confirmed it to the 12.70 or Apostle prove that or that ever they requited it Thou saies A Priest of Baal may got his Tyth without a Law but a Minister of the Gospel can get none without a Law pag. 58. I Answer That ever Minister of the Gospel took Tyth required Tyth or had Tyth confirmed to him as his wage that I deny and it thou can never prove and when Christ sent forth the 12 and the 70 he gave a statute to them both concerning them that received them and the world that received them not as for such as received them he gave a statute to eat and drink such things as were set before them they were
labourers and of this hire they were worthy and as touching such as did not receive them what was his statute concerning such even to shake the dust from off their feet against them Mat. 10. Luke 10. Here is no mention made of so much a year or of Tyth nor of forcing Maintenance or Tyth from any O man you are quite out of the truth of Christs Doctrine of the Apostles Doctrine and 1 Cor. 9.14 even so hath the Lord ordained that they that Preach the Gospel shall live of the Gospel by this thou would maintain Tyth which the Lord Christ ordained not Paul said the Lord hath ordained that they that preach the Gospel should live of the Gospel he allows of the Lords ordination who sent out the 12. and the 70. who preached the Gospel and lived of the Gospel did eat such things as were set before them this the Lord ordained but thou art pleading for Tyth which the Lord ordained not so thou art not content with his Ordination And 1 Cor. 9.4 saith Paul Have we not power to eate and to drink c. Yes he had received Christ the power who ordained that they might eat and drink such things as were set before them by them that received them he pleads for no more but his power by vertue of the Lords ordination which was having planted a vineyard and being received of them he might eat and drink having fed a flock he might eat of the milk thereof but here is no warrant for your set wage of the world and for Tyth that 's mans ordination not Christs nor for forcing a Maintenance from the world or any now if thou wert a Minister of Jesus Christ and come to any house and minister spiritual things to them and they receive thee eat and drink what they set before thee but that any should bring their Corn Hemp Flax Wool Lambs Piggs Geese Eggs and Pullen c. to thy house this is not Christs Ordination so we deny it thee and thy practises Thou saies You are ordained over a particular Place to feed the people with the Word over which the Holy Ghost hath made you Overseer and to take such things as are Consecrated to you pag. 58. I Answer The true Ministry is ashamed of you what a stir and a pitiful complaint is here for your Backs and Bellies what a gaping is here for Tyth the wage of unrighteousness and thou tells people of living as the Lillies and Sparrows yet Prophesies of your ruine and destruction if Tyth should be taken from you you deny the Call Work and Wage of Christs Ministry his Ministry is sent forth by himself contrary to the Will of man the worlds Ministry by man at Schools and Colledges and the Approbation of the humane learned Company Christs Ministries work is to present perfect Ephes 4.8.12 13. Col. 1.28 this you deny and Preach and Print against witnessing such a state while upon earth the wage of Christs Ministry was and is to eat and drink such things as they set before them that receive them no Tyth mentioned no set Wage of the world no yearly sum of Money of the world which is your Wage for shame call not thine an Overseer made by the Holy Ghost And Paul said I have coveted no mans Gold nor their Silver nor Apparel which words none of you parish hirelings can speak but be condemned in their Consciences as thou hast already confessed thou art reproved for thy covetous practises so shut out from Pauls Spirit who coveted not earthly things Acts 20.28 29. he spoke to the Overseers of the Church already purchased and redeemed by his blood O dost thou not blush to call your parish Assemblies a Church who are as wilde heady proud covetous sensual crooked and perverse as the Cananites who are ready to devour any that speaks from the Holy Ghost as your Streets Towns Villedges Cities Markets and Synagogues make it manifest and he spoke of greedy Wolves would come ye are they who say you are Christs Ministers but are not content with his Wage but plead for Tyth yearly sums of Money Augmentations you have got the words of the Holy men the Sheeps clothing but in Streets Markets and Synagogues would even devour them as it is in England at this day but the Sheep are preserved in the Lambs arm and have a garment you cannot put on in your filthy rags and covetousness Thou saies If Christ put an end to Tyth more then to any outward Property then Tyth must be a peculiar Figure of something which was to come And thou saies In all my wisdom I could not tell thee what Tyth was a Figure of pag. 61. I Answer I was at the house â— here thou dwells and a Friend with me called John Slee him thou asked what Tyth was a figure of and thou was much lifted up as if no Answer could be given I for beare to answer to see thee swell and rise that in the fall thou might be ashamed of thy boasting and an Answer was given and thou quieted but thou art up again who receive Christ deny Tyth as all such ever did but thou saies It is Satans Wile to ruine destroy and confound the best of the Ministry and for the simples sake I shall declare what Tyth was a Figure of but thou may stumble The Treasuries in which Tyth was put figures forth Jesus Christ the Tyth which Nehemiah called the Treasurers the earthly Treasures figured forth the heavenly The earthly Treasures in the earthly Treasury pointed at the heavenly Treasures in Christ Jesus so saith Paul In Christ is hid all the Treasures of Wisdom and Knowledge Col. 2 vers 3. And Shelemiah the Priest c. distributed of the Tyth the earthly Treasures to the Brethren a figure of Jesus Christ the everlasting high Priest who ministers of the heavenly treasures to all that abide in him for in him are hid all the Treasures of Wisdom and Knowledge and of his Fulnesse Grace for Grace is received Joh. 1.16 Read Nehemiah the 13. Chapter And in Malachi his dayes we read of a store-house into which all the Tyth was to be put even the earthly Treasures a figure of Jesus Christ in whom all fulnesse dwells according to the Fathers pleasures Col. 1.19 and there my be meat in my house saith the Lord so that in Israel none might complain for want so came the Levite Strangers Fatherlesse and Widdows to be satisfied Deut. 14.28 29. in Christ this is fulfilled who leads to his Fathers house where is Bread enough Oyl Wine and Milk to nourish the Israel of God that no want no complainer may be Joh. 14 2. Joh. 4 14 So if thou were of God this thou Would receive Mal. 3.10 and taken a plain Scripture in Heb. 7. Paul speaks of Tyth in Abrahams dayes and of Tyth in Levi his dayes of the Priesthood Law and carnal Commandment and then he tells the Hebrews what is the sum of all this even the high Priest Jesus saith he Heb. 8.1 So that he sheweth that Christ the high priest is the sum substance life or end of
conscious of errors and sins I confess there was a time when Paul said I know that in my flesh dwels no good thing Rom. 7 18. but then he was a wretched man this was in his warfare but there was a time when flesh was crucified with the affections and lusts Gal 5 24. and he was crucified with Christ and Christ lived in him Gal 2 20. he was no wretched man then when the law rose up in him sin and flesh appeared and was strong and led him captive and he was a wretched man condemned by the righteous law written in the heart which shewed him sin and made him cry out who shall deliver Rom 7. now there was a time when he said he hath delivered Col 1.13 then no more who shall who shall but he hath he hath if thou had been of God thou would have seen thorough his several conditions he passed thorough he became dead to the Law Gal 2 19 so to sin for while man sins the Law is added and though there was a time when he cried out of sin and death Rom 7. yet there was a time when sin and death he was freed from Rom 8.2 and he was more than a conquer or and death was abolished 2 Tim 1 10 even that death which before he complained of then who shall lay any thing to the charge of Gods elect death being abolished it is God that justifieth who is he that condemneth Rom. 8.33 34. now thou art charging such with errors and sins and Job was a just and a perfect man and he abhorred self and covetous practises which thou lives in Job 1 1. Job 42.5 6. and David overcome with a temptation he cried for a new heart a clean heart Psal 51.10 he found no peace till a clean heart was restored to him and did not plead for the old heart nor the works thereof as thou dost Again thou sayes Pauls trembling brought such a peircing sight with it that ever afterwards he saw a body of corruption a fleshly part in him sighting and carrying him forth many times to the law of sin Page 69. I answer That of God in all consciences shall witness against thee as it rises that all thy pleading is for deceit sometime for mastership which Christ forbad for tyth which he put an end unto sometime for unnecessary clothing and much for sin and Sow-like thou would have filth and mire to wallow in and thy speech of Pauls is a lie who saith ever after his trembling he saw a body of corruption c. his words is a witness against thee so would make people believe he sowed to the flesh for such reap corruption but he sowed to the spirit and reaped life Gal. 2.10 Christ the life lived in him and Paul witnessed a freeing from death and corruption and death was abolished Ro. 8.2 2 Tim. 1 10. and flesh was crucified and in that thou saies still fighting that 's a lie he came to be more than a Conquerour Rom. 8 in Christ who abolished death thus with evil thoughts thou art judging the Apostle and looking upon him to be as one of thy Saints as thou calls them who live in rage violence and imaginations which are heathen Thou saies Away with fleshly bodily litteral Trembling and quivering terming it to be Belshazzars trembling or a fit of Mahomet when the falling evil fell upon him c. page 70. Or like a man possessed with the Devil I answer Oh that ever people should be so bewitched as to follow thee and such like who gets thy living with trading with the words of the holy men of God which were spoken forth freely and blasphemes and reviles that which they witnessed what if thou had seen David roaring his flesh trembling Psal 119.120 or Ieremiah all his bones shaking he like a drunken man Ier. 23.9 and Iob trembling all his bones shaking Iob 4 14. Habbakkuk trembling and his lips quivering Hab. 3.17 What if thou had seen these would thou have told them or the Nations to make them odious in the eyes thereof that their trembling was like a fit of Mahomet when the falling evil fell upon him or that they were like men possessed with Devils I know thou art seared and past feeling you that are his hearers take heed how you hold up such a one who as a bruit beast speaks evil of the thing he knows not and when thou hast filled up the measure of thine iniquity the Lord will cut the off who speaks evill of his power and them that are witnesses of it Thou bids me prove that the Priests were to maintain the Fatherless Widdows and Strangers page 73. I answer Thou may read that out of the Tyth such were to be maintained Deut. 14.28 29. and that by Commandment from the Lord they had as much property to their share in Tyth as the Levite and your selfishness herein appears in crying up your own property in and to Tyth but as for the fatherless widdow and strangers their property to Tyth I never heard Priest plead for and their property was as absolute to Tyth as the Levites as the Scripture declares so that if from the Commandment under the Law you could prove Tyth your property then were it also the property of the fatherless widdow and strangers then may it be truly said of you there is not a Tything Priest in England that pleads the cause of the fatherless widdow and strangers The first Priesthood took Tyth by a Law Heb. 7. and by a Commandment but the Law is changed and the Commandement dissanulled by Christ Jesus and that he confirmed it by a Law to his Ministry he sent forth this remains for you to prove but thou bids me prove that the Priests was to maintain the fatherless c. thou sot was not Israel a Kingdom of Priests as Gods Covenant they kept Exod. 19.6 and Shelemiah the Priest and others distributed to the brethren Nehe. 13.13 the Scripture mentions a teaching Priest and the several Tythings according to the Scriptures in their places I own Thou saies I that deny Tyth to be the Ministers due am a Robber of God Prov. 3.9 Mall 3.8 I answer thou runs far to plead for the wages of unrighteousness in the time of the Law Tyth was an Ordinance so who denied to pay it robbed God but Christ is come and hath put an end to the Law Priesthood Commandment and the hand-writing of Ordinances he blotted out Heb. 7.12 18. Col. 2.14 and the Ordinance for the Priesthood and for the Tyth was in the hand-writing written with the hand he blotted out and that he ordained Tyth again to the twelve seventy or Apostles this prove else it s not your due but thou tells me I am guilty of Ananias his sin in speaking against your Tyth I answer Ananias his not giving Tyth to the hireling Priest was not his sin nor his not giving Tyth to the Apostles but his lying Acts 5.1 2 3 4 5. for said
the Apostle while it remained it was his own and after it was sold it was in his own power but in his lying was the sin but verily thou adds lit to lie as if lying were no sin Thou saies that Christ put an end to Tyth in his time we find the contrary Matt. 23.23 I answer This he spoke to the Jews who had the Priests and an Ordinance to pay Tyth so in its time the paying of Tyth was not to be neglected so Christ the end of all figures he owned every figure in its place he who put an end to Circumcision outwardly he was circumcised Luke 2.21 he who was the end of the Temple and the Temple worship he owned the Temple in its place and time and cast out the prophaners thereof he who was the end of the first Priesthood work and wage owned it in its place and spoke against negl gence in the same and this was by him done that all might see that the first Priesthood and its appurtenances was commanded of God and in its time not to be neglected so the Temple the Priesthood Tyth Circumcision c. in their place he owned because they were Ordinances of God and were not blotted out till Christ was offered up but when he was offered up then be blotted out the hand writing of Ordinances Col. 2.14 and Paul recieving him in spirit and life preaching down the Temple and that worship and called the Temple an Idol 1 Cor. 8.10 he called them Witches who would have Circumcision up again Gal. 3.1 and that Priesthood work and wave Law and Commandment was changed and dissanulled when Christ was offered up Col. 2.14 H.b. 7.12.18 and thou art yet groping among the Pharisees and would have the Levites wage but not do the Levites work but Christ of the Tribe of Iudah put an end to the first Priesthood work and wage and sent out a Ministry and ordained a wage Matt. 10. Luke 10. and Paul allowed of that Ordination already ordained for the preachers of the Gospel but Tyth was not ordained mentioned nor required 1 Cor. 9.4.14 Thou saies the building election upon our receiving Christ is a building upon the sand page 81. I answer no man comes to Christ nor receives Christ but such as the Father draws to him Iohn 6.44 and such as herein receive him and so builds on him is this the sand or dost thou call this the sand but the election none obtain who build any where else and this excludes self and selfish power and mans merits as thou calls them and thou art one of them which Paul a witness of the election witnessed against 2 Tim. 3.1 to the 10. a self-lover I have proved thee to be covetous thou confesses thou art a boaster saying thou hast recieved the annointing to preach but bears the marks of all the deceivers proud heady high minded pleading to be called Master though Christ forbad it a lover of pleasures sports games recreations of the stock of Nimrod the cunning hunter c Thou saies I may as well say the Magistrate Souldier Landlord Labourer denies Christ in taking Custome Pay Rent Wages as say Thou denies Christ in taking Tyth Pag. 83. I answer This is a lye How gladly would thou have thy two parish Tyth justified as for the Magistrate saith Paul For this cause pay you tribute Râ—m 13 6 7. Render to all their dues Tribute to whom it is due Custome to whom it is due and Souldiers be content with your wages Luke 3 14. And James allows of the Labourers hire Jam 5.4 c. yet this I say Magistrates Souldiers Landlords as thou calls them and Labourers who act contrary to that in their conscience and live in violence covetousnesse deceit and oppression in so doing they deny Christ who comes to establish righteousnesse in the earth and to remove oppression but their denying of Christ doth not lessen thy iniquity who if thou wert a Minister of Christ as thou saies thou would be found in him a witnesse against all that in words and works deny him all that live in covetous practises folly and selfishnesse violence and oppression deny Christ all that live in rage violence imaginations deny Christ though thou call such Saints and thou that upholds the figure art Antichrist and the same in thee that upholds the figures leads thee into covetous practises so in thy works thou denies Christ so art Anti christ and Paul hired an house Acts 28.30 Thou saies That which defiles doth not come from power properly but from weaknesse or want of power Page 83. I answer That which defiles is a power and though in thy swelling words thou saies the Lamb is thy companion and lies between thy brests yet another prevails over thee and leads thee into covetous practises into pride to plead for mastership which Christ the power of God forbad and that which defiles the holy men of God called a power even the power of darknesse and prove thou the contrary if thou can Ephes 2.2 Col. 1.13 and this is not weak but strong in thee as all who are of understanding hearts may discern who reads over thy Book and knows thy practises Thou saies God beholds no iniquity in Jacob yet Jacob sees iniquity in himself pag 84. I answer Where iniquity is God sees it Heb 4.13 all things are naked and open unto his eyes and Jacob thou knows not which God sees not iniquity in and what hast thou to do to medle with Jacob who art Esau a hunter a man in covetous practises as thou confesses and thou shalt know that he sees iniquity in thee when he comes to give thee thy reward Thou saies There is a real total thorough eternal purging here in Gods account who reckons Saints by his Grace and yet while the flesh remains it Will hanker after the flesh and beget breathings after it self and things below page 84. I answer In all these things thou seeks a cover for thy covetous practises and thou art an Idolater who lives therein Col. 3.5 and God doth not look upon thee to be purged who art in dead works and pleads for them so knows not that blood which purges from dead works and what hast thou to do to talk of Grace who turns it into laciviousness Jude 4. so art of old ordained to condemnation it taught the Saints to deny ungodlinesse and by it they were saved yea already it had saved them 2 Tim. 1 9. Ephes 2.8 Tit. 2.11 12. now this Grace thou dost but talk of it it inwardly reproves thee as thou confesses for thy covetous practises but thou keeps in thy covetousnesse so turns it into lasciviousnesse and the Saints they witnessed Flesh crucified with the affections and lusts thereof Gal. 5. vers 24. Thou art telling of a Messenger of Satan sent to buffet Paul to upbraid him with his inward pride page 87. 2 Cor. 12. vers 7. I answer 'T is true a Messenger of Satan buffered Paul but thou
THE Lip of Truth Opened Against a Dawber with untempered Morter A few words against a Book written by Magnus Bine Priest in the County of Sussex which he calls The scornful Quakers answered c. But he himself is found the Scorner and the Lyer charging me with things I never spoke nor never entered into my heart to speak THO. LAWSON Then said they come and let us devise devices against Jeremiah for the Law shall not perish from the Priest nor Counsel from the wise nor the Word from the Prophet come and let us smite him with the tongue and let us not give heed to any of his words Jer. 18.18 London Printed for Giles Calvert and are to be sold at the Black-spread Eagle at the West end of Pauls 1656. THE Lip of Truth Opened Against a Dawber with untempered Morter MAGNUS BINE AS for all thy unsavory unseasoned unwholesome speeches lying slandering and false accusing words against me all over thy book and others and thy scornful speeches which thou charges me withal I say each one who grows up in that which is contrary to the will of man have Salt in themselves to savor withal and discerne between envious words and sharp and sound reproof against deceit and deceivers such thou cannot hurt nor thy inchantments cannot prevail but to strengthen the hands of evil doers is thy work and where the just is moving and desires begot to come out of iniquity which is a bond thou utters lies and deceit so sowes to the flesh that the bond of iniquity should not be broken so that none by the may be deceived do I this write and the truth declare what ever thou judge of it that in thy own conscience and all consciences as it rises shall answer it and bear witness to it thou hast erred from the spirit as Balaam did and read Balak his nature hath prevailed with thee to oppose the Israel of God and defie them for love to the earth and though thou may speak against Balaam yet when that in thy conscience arises which now is covered with thick earth thou shall read thy abomination to be above his he said if Balak would give him his house full of silver and gold he could not go beyond the word of the Lord his God to do lesse or more Numb 22.18 but contrary to the word and contrary to that in thy conscience art thou lying against slandering and defying them whom God hath and will bless and all this for thy two Parish Tyth and whether thou be in Balaams steps yea or nay let that in thy conscience judge and thy own confession who confesses thou lives in covetous practices as in thy book page 51. and if covetous practices be not in Balaams steps I leave it to all the wise in heart to judge and if ever thy eye be opened thou shalt see that it is Israel who abides in his tents which thou utters so many unsavory words against who cannot but testifie against thy even thy covetous practices which thou sayes thou lives in In thy Epistle to the Reader thou exhorts him not to sin I say the Reader that sins not will deny thee who lives in covetous practices and see thee to be an Idolater though thou say thou art annointed to preach Covetousness is Idolatry Col. 3.5 and covetousness was not as much as once to be named among the Saints Ephes 5.3 much lesse to be lived in as thou doth as thou saith of thy self and the Reader that reads over thy book may see that though thou exhort him not to sin yet in several places of thy book thou saies no Saint is or can be without sin while he is upon earth so he may tell thee thou art in confusion a sayer and not a doer who bids him not sin yet tells in thy book thou art in covetous practices so an Idolater a pittiful example among thy flock let that in thy conscience and thy words be witness and by the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every thing be established Again thou bids him long to see the new earth wherein dwells righteousness I answer the Reader that sees the new earth where righteousness dwells he will see the in the old earth where unrighteousness dwels for all covetous practices folly and selfishness which thou art guilty of as thou saith page 64. all this is in the old earth so thou who bears these things as aforesaid is the earth that bears thorns and bryars is rejected of God and of us who dwell in God and of every Reader who sees and grows up in the new earth where righteousness dâ—ells so such Readers shall see thee to be in hyprocrisie who tells of the new but lives in the old and this thy high talking and loose walking gives an ill report of the good land preaches to every conscience that knows thee that thou art in hypocrisie and it gives an ill smell in the Nations and who grows up in the new shall deny thee and all covetous ones who live in the old so you are left with assemblies that are without the gate Further thou saies to the Reader Take heed of the two foolish blind mad Generations of Ranters and Quâ—kers I answer If we what we preach were not fool shneâ—s to the covetous selfish we could not be of God 1 Cor. 1.18 and our eye God hath opened which was blinded and eye salve from him is received so that we see yea and there is that in thy conscience lets thee seee we have read thy heart but thou Moab like art in the seat of ease in the flesh and thou cannot receive us and be selfish and live in covetous practices as thou saith thou dost neither can we own thee though thou say thou art annointed to preach so long as thou lives in covetous practices and in that thou calls us mad read this when Christ was come who put an end to the first Priesthood and Tyth the Jews who were of them that paid and took Tyth they said of Christ He is mad why hear ye him John 10 20 and the same seed passeth through and suffers the same reproach and scorn now among Tyth takers and Tyth payers and thou art one who hath the Tyth of two Parishes and in as much as thou joins us with Ranters know this that there is many thousands in this Nation both high and low rich and poor who though they cannot own us as to grow up in the life with us because the Crosse is sharp and the way narrow to him that hath his many Idols yet are we so far manifest to their consciences as that they cannot but secretly witness against thee in this thing and that no people on the face of the earth so differs from them as we yea and though thy will be angry as the Nations are because truth smites and strikes at thy Idols who confesses thy covetous practices who hast the Tyth of two Parishes yet there is
binding Satan is prolonged Page 35. I answer For all thy high talk thou yet knows not what spirit thou art of therefore do I leave this and all other thy sayings to be considered of by all the sober minded being weighed in the ballance of the Sanctuary thy sayings are light as chaffe who cals such as be in imaginations violence and rage Saints such as thou cals Saints such David called Heathen Psal 2 1. The time is coming and already is that the pure fine linnen is put on even Christ the righteousness of Saints which righteousness is without mixture Rev 19.8 this is not rage violence and imaginations which thy Saints as thou cals them are clad withal with such jugling and deceitful poysonous venomous speeches thou deceives people telling them they are Saints though they live in rage which is a mark of a heathen violence and imaginations thus thou flatters them and may well be called a dawber and puffs them up with a holy name but the hellish nature is standing in them and tels them they are Saints though the day of binding be prolonged this is all thou knows oâ— the Saints in light who cals such Saints as David called Heathen and this is all thou knows of the binding of Satan or of the Chain or Angel who cals such Saints in whom Satan is not bound so alive thou art without the Law so I leave thee who stands praying in the Synagogue a popish house this is a mark to know a Hypocrite by Math. 6.5 Christ and his Apostles drew people out of the Synagogues Temple and Temple-worship and met in such a house so called the Church of God in such a house as saith the Scriptures Rom. 16.5 1 Cor. 16.19 Thou sayes After all your vain study and labour each to draw Disciples after himself c. the best and safest way will be for every one to rely upon the Lord Page 35. 36. Answ O shame with thy leading of others who art not yet entred into the best and safest way which is Christ the way who is our Lord so art thou in a vain study and labour to draw Disciples after thy self that thou may be a Master among them and in self thou art in covetous practises and keeps disciples in self who puts into thy mouth and such thou cries up for Saints though they live in rage but Christ is the truth who is contrary to self who put an end to tyth and where the truth rises it denies to pay tyth so thou lives in self as thou hast confessed and keeps thy disciples in self and self puts into thy mouth that which is contrary to self sees thee and thy vain study Again thou art telling of David a man after Gods own heart notwithstanding all his blemishes and errors and God accepteth the will for the deed where the will is real and true Page 39. Answ Thou art telling of David a man after Gods own heart notwithstanding all his blemishes and errors O blind guide thou knows not what thou saith nor whereof thou affirms is there blemish or error in Gods heart Is he who is in the blemishes and errors after Gods own heart I say nay but contrary to it now there was a time when David did onely that which was right 1 King 14.8 then he was kept out of blemishes and errors these things be not right then he had the heart of God but when he entred into blemishes he lost the heart of God all blemishes and errors are in the old heart and when David was in these things he prayed for a clean heart and a right spiriâ—â— Psal 52.10 if David had been after Gods heart when he was in blemishes what need he to have prayed for a clean heart and in the time of the Law the Sacrifice no blemish was to be in it Lev. 22.21 22. If thou had received the end of the Law this thou would see and this thou alledges for a cover for thy filthiness as though thou be in folly in selfishness in covetous practises as thou confesses yet thou would perswade us thou art according to Gods heart depart HYPOCRITE there is no error nor blemish in that way which the Prophet saw which is known and walked in by such as witness Christ the end of the Prophets read without thou art blind within Isaiah 35.8 Ephes 5.25 26 27. Jam. 1.16 Thou sayes God accepts the will for the deed where the will is real and true I answer There is no will real and true but his own and here every deed is good God accepts no will but his own so said Christ the Son thy will be done who came to do his Fathers will but that will that brings forth evil deeds is neither real not true but this is thy aim to have thy will and thy folly selfishness and covetous practises which thou confesses thou lives in to be justified so thy will and thy deeds who is of God denies Thou sayes Old things are passed away and all things are become new there in Gods estimation where new and old are fighting one against another Page 39. I answer Prove it by Scripture God accounts no otherwise of things than they be herein thou seeks to strengthen the hands of evil doers in perswading them that though they live in old things yet in Gods estimation all things are become new so to stop them for waiting to see all things become new or so to fight as to overcome Thou sayes The Apostle saith plainly in all the Saints there is no sin and yet there is sin in all Page 45. I answer There is no such Scripture it s thy corrupt reasoning before thou hast been pleading for mastership for the belly now for sin which is the image of the Devil that 1 John 1. justifies not this thy doctrine and in ver 10. If we say we have not sinned c. who say but they have sinned all have sinned dost not thou know what Have hath relation unto But he that abides in Christ sins not 1 John 3.6 this thou must own except thou wrest the Scripture and make a nose of wax Pope like in this I leave thee who loves the cheif place at feasts though in words thou may deny it a mark to know a Pharisee by Matth. 23.6 Thou sayes That the Saints have sin is a truth written in the Scriptures c. for there is not a just man upon earth that doth good and sins not but that the Saints ought to have sin this the Scriptures cries out against Page 45. Answ T is true there is not a just man upon earth c. for all that dwell upon earth worship the beast Rev. 13.8 but John saw a hundred forty four thousand redeemed from the earth Re. 14.1 2 3 4 5. these were undefiled without fault or guile dare thou lay any thing to the charge of these but thou sayes none is without sin but that the Saints ought to have sin this the
Scriptures cries against Thou speaks as if none come to be as they ought to be but thou being in covetous practises judges with evil thoughts he that abides in Christ sins not 1 John 3.6 but this thou cannot believe but wrests it though to thy own destruction if thou should own that which leads out of sin it would divide thee from thy two parish tyth which thorough covetousness and feigned words thou hast got and for sin Satans image thou stands up hast thou not read in the Law that Israel was not to wear a garment of divers sorts as of linnen and wollen together Deut. 22.11 thou art professing Christ the end of the Law but when the Law comes thou shall be reproved for the garment thou wears and pleads for who would have new cloth put into an old garment which must not be being an Aethiopiâ— an thou pleads for thy black skin which thou would not have plucked off so in this I leave thee who hast the cheif feat in the Assembly a mark to know a Pharisee by Matth. 23.6 Again in as much as it is said every sin that is committed is without the body 1 Cor. 6.10 thou saith by body in that place is meant the outward fabrick of every man in particular I answer Then if the hands be clean then it makes no matter of the heart if the outside of the cup and platter be made clean it matters not how full of filth it be within if onely that be sin which is committed without the outward fabrick of mans body as thou cals it then he that hates his brother is not a murderer or else hatred is not a sin 1 John 3.15 this hatred is within the fabrick as thou cals it so thou art yet to learn what sin is and thou art so far from seeing transgression blotted out as that thou knows not what and where it is and the Lord by his Prophets cried against such as set up Idols in their hearts was this a thing sinful yea or nay though within the fabrick of mans body as thou cals it So in this thing I leave thee giving thee Reader intelligence of an other mark of a Pharisee which thou bears that is to say thou loves greeting in the Markets Matth 23.7 and in other places and reproaches such as deny your heathenish words and compares them to Horses and Mules who abide in the doctrine of Christ Luke 10 4. yet this is not against the salvation of the Saints which we own Again thou sayes I make a rent from Christ and a rent from his members crying out of one member he is a Baptist of another he is a Presbiter of another he is a Priest so I own not every member in its place and look not upon that baptism which is one in all the Sons of God Page 45. Answ Christ hath no such members as thee thou that lives in covetous practises in folly and selfishness as thou confesses thou art a member of the Harlot which is out of the truth which is flesh and so thou brings forth fruits of the flesh according to the nature of that thou art joyned to and from Christ and his members thou art divided by following self which leads into covetous practises and before thou was crying up such to be Saints as live in rage and violence now thou art crying up such to be members of Christ who what one sets up another seeks to throw down and are ready to devour one another about their opinions and though in words thou deny the Ranters yet thou art giving about thee their dregs to make people drunk and every member in its place I own a sitting together in heavenly places in Christ I own Ephes 2.6 the lowest place here keeps out of pollutions and limmits that which leads into division and strife ye are the body of Christ and members in particular 1 Cor. 12 27. said Paul to the Saints in the body is no Schism 1 Cor. 12.25 but this is it thou aims at that though thou bring forth fruits of the flesh which is the Harlot yet thou would have people believe thou art a member of Christ and pleads against his doctrine and the baptism by one spirit into one body we own 1 Cor. 12 13. but in this one spirit the one heart one mind and one soul is witnessed Acts 4.32 Ephes 4.3 in the spirit is no jar strife nor division thy ignorance of the one baptism appears to all that be in the light Thou sayes In the Lord every member is compleat but look upon the member it self there we find it liable to all manner of infirmities yea to fin too Page 46. I answer Who is in the Lord Old things are done away all things become new 2 Cor. 5 17. Such are his members who in him abide and such sin not as saith the Scripture 1 Jâ—hn 3.6 and such grow up to the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ Ephes 4.13 and self is denied and such as are in self are members of the Harlot such live in pride in covetousness which is thy practise such live in sin and plead for it such are members of the evil one who brings forth sin in them as saith the Scriptures he that committeth sin is of the devil 1 John 3.8 so read whose member thou art and how blind art thou to tell of a member it self or a member in self when as such as are members of Christ self is denied Christ and self are the two Masters which no man can serve but thou would do it and would be members of them both in that thou tels of the fruits of the Spirit yet sin must be committed what each one lives in a member of that he is and fruits accordingly are brought forth the wise cannot but see thee Thou sayes thou owns the Lamb in all the Sons of God even in those who cannot own the Lamb in thee Page 50. I answer Thy owning the Sons of God now appears who art pushing with thy horn against them and publishes lies against them to the Nations laying to their charge things they never spoke as Davids enemies did who dragon like would devour them in whom the just birth is brought forth what Lamb is it thou owns who pleads for sin which Christ the Lamb comes to take away who pleads to be called Master which Christ the Lamb of God forbad thy covers cannot hide thee and the Sons of God are in unity without jar or strife are one with that in thy conscience which thou makes merry over and again art pouring out thy ranting stuffe Thou sayes We make Saviours one of another Page 50. I answer The Lord will plead with thee for thy lies who as a running stream pours forth the poyson of asps which is under thy lips our Saviour is but one Jesus a Prince of whom Moses in the Law and the Prophets did write Emanuel by interpretation God with us yet Saviours
art the messenger of Satan who art charging him with inward pride when at the Scripture mentions no such thing And in as much as I said Christ is the end of sin and the end of Condemnation thou revilest me for it and calls it a new phrase like my form and that I grow worse and worse Page 89. Answ What I there said all who are of God will it own and the thing is plain but being of the off spring of Amalek thou must needs brawl and wrangle Dan. 9.24 is it not he that makes and end of sin 1 John 3.5 doth not he by his coming put an end to sin so is the end thereof and here he is known who is without end and 1 Pet. 4.7 the end of all things is at hand the end of all things saith he what is this but Christ if the end of all things then of sin what ground hast thou to wrangle for this saying and if thou knew Christ thou would know him to be the end of condemnation Is not the Law added because of transgression till the Seed who is the end of sin and condemnation which is because of sin Gal. 3.19 and Rom. 8.1 no condemnation to them that are in Christ so see thy folly who wrangles at plain words but remembers not thy own sayes which thou hast no ground of Scripture for as strong Fiat third principle of the elementary world calling the soul a little map of the great world and page 104.107.108 of thy book the most of it is thy own thoughts and imaginations And in as much as I said John wrote to such as were not come thorough the confession to babes young men and fathers then by my own confession thou sayes he wrote to all sorts of Christians to confess sin Page 90. I answer Fain thou would have thy Idols spared all thy dayes and thy green trees not cut down to worship under and stumbling at the Light thou stumbles at the Scriptures and at my words did I write any thing as to give thee a ground to say that babes young men and fathers were sinners so ought to confess sin I said he wrote to such as were not come thorough the confession read without 1 John 1.8 9. thou art blind within and he wrote to children not to sin yet if any c. 1 John 2.1 he wrote to young men and sayes they were strong and the word of God abode in them and they had overcome the wicked one 1 John 2.14 and he wrote to fathers who knew him that was in the beginning and he that abid sin him sins not 1 John 3.6 So here is nothing to be found for thee to uphold sin thy fathers image and saith John he that is born of God sins not he is kept that the wicked one touch him not 1 John 5.18 and no way can thou please thy bewitched hearers more withal than in possessing them that they must live in sin here and have heaven hereafter but know this O you bewitched people that if you live not the life of the righteous you cannot die the death of the righteous if you live not the life of the righteous your latter end cannot be like his so be warned HELL gapes for the wicked Thou sayes There is a natural man and a spiritual man and each one of these have a light and that is the same to it self and in it self but in the natural man it is but reason Romans 1.19 20. Page 96. I answer The light we bear witness to is Christ the true light who lighteth every man that cometh into the world John 1.9 which light letteth every man see his evil deeds who be in the evil deeds and is the same in him that hates it as in him that loves it John 3.19 20 21. and thou sayes in the natural man it is but reason prove the light that comes from Christ to be reason shew me a Scripture calling it reason else confess thou speaks thou knows not what as for Rom. 1.19 20 it saith no such thing that the light of Christ in any man is reason he who is given a Covenant to Israel he is given a light to the Gentiles Isaiah 42.6 7. Thou sayes All light it seems is not the same though it come from the same root t is not the same to us in it self it is one and the same but to us it is called natural spiritual reason grace Page 96. I answer What the light is thy dark mind comprehends not because thou art planted in the root that bears bitterness the light is but one even Christ who is the glory of Israel a light to lighten the Gentiles Luke 2 32. and prove it by Scripture where the light is called natural and reason prove thy saying by Scripture else confess thou sayes thou knows not what as for Rom. 2.14 we own but that nature that leads to do the things in the Law contained none know but who receive Christ the Life the Light such partake of the divine Nature 2 Peter 1.4 Thou sayes The first man according to his principle hath a light and life and that flows from the root Christ in him which he sees not for the head of every man is Christ Page 97. I answer Christ is the true light that lighteth every man that cometh into the world John 1 9. but thou that doth evil hates the light as saith the Scriptures so another leads thee and that which thou walks in is darkness though thou may call it light so thy eye must be put out and thy life must thou loose else not know Christ the root the head of every man but thou that doth evil and hates the light art not the man but a beast yet the man of sin he that is not in the truth is a beast and the Serpent is thy head as thy fruits make it manifest selfishness folly covetous practises so the man thou knows not which bruises the Serpents head though much thou can talk Thou sayes This light though low and faint yet teaches man to feel and grope after a God and to worship yet still it is to the unknown God Page 97. I answer This thy faying is full of lies Christ the true light he lighteth every one Jew and Gentile John 1 9. Isaiah 42.6 7. which light who as it loves and obeys it leads into a sensibleness and feeling and in this keeping iniquity is departed from night and darkness and clouds by little and little vanishes and passes away so is Christ formed who is the light and makes known the Father Math. 11 27. John 1.18 Isaiah 42.6 7. the Gentiles have the light to open the prison door and if Christ the light teach not the knowledge of God what is there that can no light we own but Christ who lighteth every one and all that it loves it brings them to seek feel after and find God and nothing but the light can do this Tit. 2.11 12 this is the