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A75872 An answer to a book, titled, Quakers principles quaking: subscribed by the name of one Ralph Hale, with an epistle (so called) to the reader, subscribed with the name of one Zachariah Crofton. A principle of darkness, deceit, and confusion in Ralph Hale, and his fellow labourer in Sathans work Zachariah Crofton, is discovered by the Quakers principle, and the Quakers principle doth stand against the power of darkness, and all the false principles in the world, them to discover and lay open. The book was said to be modestly propounded by Ralph Hale, but in it I found so many lies, slanders, and false accusations, with confused, vain, and frivolous words, as many of them is not worth mentioning; yet, lest the author should boast in his mischief, I shall lay down somthing in answer to some few of them, in respect of the number of them. / A servant to the least in the houshold of faith, and the lest amonst his brethren, whose name in the flesh is William Adamson. Addamson, William, 17th cent. 1656 (1656) Wing A501; Thomason E897_3; ESTC R206690 24,865 37

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and the workman is worthy his meat saith Christ Is not here a clear way form and kind in which preparation for meat in the Lords house Bring ye all the tythes into the store-house that there may be meat in my house saith the Lord and the sons of Levi who receiv●d the office of the Priesthood they might by that commandment take tythe of the people according to the Law whilest that Commandment was of force but this doth not make that the Ministers of the Gospel should t●ke tythes and contrary to that commandment or custome in those days purloyn it to their own ends and spoyl defraud and oppress the poor strangers widdows and fatherless by tyranny cruelty and oppression and then creep into their particular houses and live like fed hoggs of that which poor men labours for in the sw●at of their brows and somtimes with thin coats and slender diet and truly the Priests of England have exceeded their fore-fathers all the false Prophets dogs and hirelings that ever went before them in tyranny and abominable o●pression in sueing men at Law for Tythes and somtimes valuing the thing near to twice the worth and then take treble damage according to that unjust valuation and se●ze upon their goods and take them away upon that unjust account which is contrary to the just Law of the Nation This was done by Priest Whithed for one amongst the rest priest at Halton in Lancashire near Lancaster and haling mens bodies into Prison and the like savage Tyranny as was never done by any of the false Prophets their fore-fathers and thus lives the hirelings in England instead of feeding the poor with Tythes they spoil the poor for Tythes now the Priests under the Law were to eat and be satisfied even so hath the Lord ordained that they that preach the Gospel should l●ve of the Gospel for the workman is worthy of his meat Mat. 10.10 And have we not power to eat and to drink saith the Apostle 1 Cor. 9.4 and again it is written in the Law of Moses Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the Ox that treads out the corn Now we know and I hope so do you all that the manner of that ●x●mple of the Ox●s that he should eat end be satisfi●d and not to have a great deal more then is need ul to spoil and lie by him whilest the rest of the exen were l●ke to st●●v● with want I speak this by way of comparison I know the Apostl s spoke for the Mi●isters s●ke only and I 〈◊〉 so do you all that their mouths might not be ●●sled or straitned to eat and be satisfied and have a sufficiency for fo●d and ●ayment I pray you see this c mparison of the Ox●● Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the Ox c. and compare it with other Scriptures and you shall prau●ly see that Gods minis●ers that he appointed to wait on his service were only to have a s●fficiency for food a●d rayment and were t● be ●herewith satisfied and content and you shall find that the Tythes were appointed for a due preparation of meat in the Lords house and the greatest part for the maintenance of the poor strangers widdows and fatherl●ss and the Levi e because he had no inheritance with the rest of the people he was not to be forsaken but to eat and be satisfied Now I say compare that of the Ox Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the Ox compare it with 1 Cor. 9.7 Who plants a Vin●ard and eateth not of the fruit hereof or who seeds a flock and eateth not of the milk of the flock and ver 4. Have not we power to eat and drink and having food and rayment let us be therewith content 1 Tim. 6.8 compare th●se with Deut. 14. and the 29. The Levite because he hath no part nor i●heritance with thee and the stranger and the fatherless and the widdow which are within thy gates sh●ll come and shall at and be satisfied Thus you see that all along both under the Law and Gospel Gods ministers were to have a sufficiency for food and rayment and were therewith to be satisfied and content and here in Deut. 14.26 the Levite was to eat and he was then to be satisfied Observe these words Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the Gospel should live of the Gospel and having food and rayment let us be therewith content saith ●he Apostle But I s●y the dogs will never be coatent for they will never have enough saith the Prophet Isa 56.10 11. and if a man should throw all the meat that he had amongst many dogs they would fall out about it I pray you see what your Priests do about Viccarages Parsonages and the like gains which they seek from their quarters do they not fall out about them and it is no new thing to be troubled with such greedy dogs as seeks their gains from their quarters it is as old as Isaiahs Prophesie proveable and I say he that takes more then food and rayment for preaching he is out of the example of the Gospel Ministers and in the example of the dogs that Isa speaks of and so one of them se●king gain to himself Hale And thou saith that God appointed the tenth part to be paid under the Law Answ So did God appoint outward Circumcision under the Law Hale But God appointed the tenth part to be paid before the Law saith thou Answ I say that ever God appointed it before the Law that is left to thee to prove where and when and by what rule or command he appointed it and I say God did not onl● appoint Circumcision but he gave Abraham an express command not to neglect it he nor his seed after him in all their generations And the uncircumcised man-child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised that soul shall be cut off ●r●m his people he hath broken my Covenant saith the Lord Gen. 15. from the tenth to the fourteenth and this you can well agree to that the outward practise thereof is taken out of the way blotted oat and nailed to the Cr●ss for this would bring you little gains from your quarters but Tythes you say must needs of Divine Right be kept up but if it be not for filthy luc●●s sake let all honest hearts consider Hale And thou affirms that tythes or the tenth part was never expresly tak●n off Answ I say Tythes are as fully taken off and it is as provea●le as the worship is from the seventh day and as outward Circumcision is taken off to all that believe that the Lord Jesus Christ suffered for mans redemption and role again the third day for one and the same Christ that finished and took off the one he finished and took off the other at the same time for saith the Apostle Blotting out the hand-writing of ordinances and nailed it to his Cross Col. 2.14 and having abolished in his flesh the enmity even the
Law of Commandments contained in ordinances Eph. 2.15 and again If ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world why as though living in the world are ye subject to ordinances So we see that the hand-writing of ordinances is not only blotted out and nailed to the cross Col. 2.14 and the law of commandments contained in ordinances abolished Eph. 2.15 but the Apostle so clearly disclaims all outward dead ordinances that he demands of him a question why they would be subject to ordinances Col. 2.20 so it is clear to all who do not make themselves wilfully blind that the ordinance of tythes as well as other things is blotted out taken off and the practise of them clean given over either receiving or demanding of them till the Pope brought them up again for the maintenance of Prelats Priests Jesuits Monks and Friars and now the hirelings cries loud for them Hale Besides this Abraham in whose loyns Levi was paid Tythes to Melchisedec before the Law was given saith thou Answ I say Abraham freely gave a gift to Melchisedec and he might have kept it ungiven without breaking any command of God for any thing that we read of and seeing thou hast appealed to that free gift first see the cause that brought it to pass in the outward and do thou begin in order as tythes came to M●lchisede● and let the Priests of England have no tythes till tythes come to them as it came to Melchisedec First Abraham had been at the pursuit and slaughter of them that had spoiled the Country and he brought back the people and the spoils and Melchisedec d●manded no tythes but came to bring a gift and he blessed Abraham and Abraham pleased to give him such a proportion as the tenth part of the spoils only at that one time and why might not Abraham have kept all the spoils to himself if he had pleased or why might he not have given all the spoils to Melchisedec if he had pleased and if he had given Melchisedec all the spoils would you have made that a pattern for the Priests of England to take all their crease in England What might the rest of the people have had then and if this of Melchisedec be the order that you would make a rule for the Priests to receive tythes by you must rather expect them from the Souldiers and such as go forth to pursue and slay th● enemies and rescue the people and spoils and bring them ba●k then to expect them from Farmers Husbandmen and such like Melchisedec received not tythes of the yearly increase of Farmers and Husbandmens estates but a free gift out of the spoils that was taken in a fight and that only at one time and if you do but stick to this order when any spoil is brought back in England as Abraham brought them back if the Priests then come and bring a gift and a blessing as Melchisedec did and keep in Melchisechs order and demand no more tythes then he did then if any man give them a gift as Abraham did to Melchisedec whether they give them the tenth part less or more for any thing I know they may receive it without offence I do not speak a free gift when it is freely given but we speak against such as seeks after gifts and rewards and when they cannot have it freely given they will compel men to give in or else they will take it by fore it is such as these that we speak against Hale And when thou hast raked through the Scriptures to prove if thou could that Tythes is due to the Ministers of the Gospel but cannot find one example in the Bible where any of them did either receive or demand tythes thou art at last so driven from chamber to chamber to hide thy shameful Argument that at last thou flies to the muckiest hole of all and sayest Now if any be not yet satisfied in this point I refer him to the labours of a learned Divine in his time to wit Bishop Hall who in a little Treatise of his called Practical cases of Conscience doth at large resolve this great controversy about tyths saith thou Answ Ralph Hale All who have the eye of discerning open in any measure may here see what a poor shameful shuffle thou makes and what a shameful end thou hast brought thy shameful Argument to at last that is driven out of all Scripture and cannot find one example in it all but flies to the Bishop cases for a refuge to hide thy deceipt with in pleading for Tythes I pray thee Was not Bishops voted down long since by many in England and some of them put to death for the unjust couses that they made and maintained and are thou now pleading the Bishops cases up again that thou may gee a refuge among them to hide thy deceitful cases in pleading for Tythes the Bishops made cases more for their own ends then for Conscience sake and wo to you that makes cases to compel men of tender consciences to do things contrary to the light of Christ in the Conscience if you could Hale And from page 20 to the 25. thou art wrangling to and fro about perfection and it seems thou knows not what thou would make of it and in page 21. thou sayest I shall now proceed to the direct answer of your question to wit whether perfection be attainable in this life yea or nay you say it is I say it is not sayest thou Answ Ralph Hale Where is now thy modesty that thou talked of in the Title page of thy book What a wrangling and j●ngling and cavelling What saying and unsaying of a thing thou makes here Did thou not say in the 7. page line 14. that the Ministers work is for the perfecting of the Saints and now thou sayest that perfection is not attainable in this life I pray thee where must the Ministers perfect the Saints if not in this lif● Art thou one of those that holds a Purgatory Thou begins to smell very like the Pope in that thou sayest perfection is not attainable in this life and yet confesses that the Ministers work is for the perfecting of the Saints Hale And then thou sayest Perfection is not attainable in this life except we take along with us these following limitations Answ Ralph Hale Thou hast here again unsaid what thou said before for before thou said without if or and plainly that perfect on is not attainable in this life and now thou grants a possibility of attaining to it in this life if we would take along with us thy limitations which indeed is nothing else but thy vain fancies and imaginations without either ground or foundation Hale And in page 25. line 2. thou sayest indeed that Christ is perfection itself Answ Ralph Hale How will this agree with thy former assertion to wit That perfect on is not attainable in this life Dost thou affirm that Christ is not attainable in this life for thou