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A09135 The Iesuites catechisme. Or Examination of their doctrine. Published in French this present yeere 1602. and nowe translated into English. VVith a table at the end, of all the maine poynts that are disputed and handled therein; Catechisme des Jesuites. English Pasquier, Etienne, 1529-1615.; Watson, William, 1559?-1603. 1602 (1602) STC 19449; ESTC S114185 330,940 516

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how canst thou be a Father To which I aunswerd him that it was meere follie to giue any credit to names or Anagrams as Iulius Scaliger hath very elegantly proued against Cardan Besides I am out of doubt that you Anagram is a lyer as I will proue by another that is contrarie to it TV MATRES VICIAS thorosque sacros Antistes pie virginesque sanctas Hoc qui martyrio fidem propagat Hoc qui consilio propagat orbem Is verè est pater pater beatus O tuam veneror beatitatem Amplectorque piam paternitatem Iosuita Patrum Pater supreme Thou stainest Mothers and the marriage bed Prelate by thee are holy Virgins sped Who by this martyrdome graceth the sleeple Who by this skill begets faith in the people He is a father and a father blest Thy happines I honour with the rest Iesuit I bow to thy paternitee Father of Fathers in the highest degree The diuersitie of these two Anagrams which is a plaine contrariety of doing vndoing teacheth vs that there is no credit to be giuen to them And I hold it for certaine and an Article of faith if you will giue me leaue to say so that the Iesuits keepe their vow of chastitie as strictly holily and religiously as they do that of beggerie wherefore let vs not trouble our talke with this ordure You are verie desirous quoth the other to fauour them without ground and you consider not that your Anagram lackes one letter E. whereas mine fits all That which I haue said to you of them is an inseparable accident which the Logicians call Poprium quarto modò Remember the Templers who were allowed heretofore vnder the cloake of Religion to wander ouer the world to enlarge our faith by their swords and what was one of the principall points for which they were condemned See if the Iesuits now adaies doe not follow their steps the actiōs of a man that rogues about the world as the Iesuits doe are to me meruailous suspicious I beleeue no part of that you say quoth I it is all but lies and slaunders CHAP. 16. ¶ Of the vow of Mission and that by it the Iesuits mocke vs all and especially our holy Father the Pope IN all other orders they that are admitted make three vowes In this of Ignace to enthrall the good liking of Pope Paule the third that of Mission is added not for his fellowes but for them which are of the last and great vow The words of their Buls are that they promise without shifting to go whether soeuer the Pope shall commaund them Ad profectum animarum fidei propagationem siue miserit nos ad Turcas siue ad quoscumque alios infideles etiam in partibus quas Indias vocant existentes c. He that caused the defence of the Colledge of Clairmont against the Vniuersity of of Paris to be printed 1594. saith thus speaking of the greatnes and excellencie of his new vow The defendants haue a particular vow of obedience to the Pope but circa Missiones tantùm which is grounded vpon this that they being called by God to ayde the Church and to defend it against the enemies thereof such as the Infidels and heretiques are must of necessitie be sent abroad And a little after And they cannot be more rightly sent then by him that is set in Saint Peters chaire and gouerns the whole Church who as the Pilot in the sterne sticking to the helme appoints some to the fore-ship some to the ancor some to the sailes and tackles and other to other offices in the ship Let vs dwell a little vppon this goodly sentence ere we passe any further The first promise of this vow is for the conuersion of the Turks which follow Mahometisme then of all other infidels yea euen of them that inhabit certaine countries vnknowne to vs which they call the Indies I pray you tel me if euer you vnderstood that they went either to the country of the great Turke the Emperour of Constantinople or of Sophy the Emperour of Persia to acquit themselues of this promise They were neuer commaunded to goe thither by our holy Father will some man say to me I grant because those places were too hot for them Whither then haue they gone Into those countries that are farre from vs quas Indias vocant which Ignace cunningly added as a thing harder to performe then the conuersion of Turkie and yet he knew being a Spaniard that nothing was so easie as to vndertake this charge as you haue vnderstood by me when I recoūted to you the Embassages of the Iesuits into Portugall Maff. lib. 2. chap. 10. Rib. lib. 2. chap. 16. the Indies which were vnder the subiection of Iohn the third King of Portugall Do yoe thinke Gentlemen that if it had pleased the Pope to send thither any of the foure orders of the Mendicants they would haue drawne backe from this seruice permitting them to goe in a secular habite as the Iesuit dooth In steed of one Xauier that was sent thither by Ignace there would haue beene found 500. men full of deuotion and learning to performe this holy voiage And why so Because it was a deuotion without daunger for going thither vnder the banner of a Christian king who had power of life and death ouer them whom by faire meanes he would bring to our Christian Religion it was a voyage without feare But as for all Turky which is vnder Princes enemies to Christianitie I see not that eyther the Pope would giue them commaundement or these worldly-wise Iesuits be any thing hastie to goe thither and yet read the first bull and it appeares that Ignace set downe the voyage of Turky as the more easie to be vndertaken I would to God it had come into the head of one of the Popes that succeeded Paule the third to commaund our Iesuits to go to Constantinople to conuert the Mahumetans to trie in good earnest wha● obedience they would yeeld to this vow of Mission we should haue seene what miracles they would haue wrought there Heare notwithstanding not a new Currier but a discourser of his most humble supplication request presented to the king We liue not vnder christian princes only but vnder heathē Potētates those that are ignorant of the law feare of God We haue Colled ges euen in Iappon scituated to the East of our Hemisphere we haue to the West in Brasil which is the beginning of America in Lima Cucham which is the end of Peru and the vtmost part of the West in Mexico which is in the middle of the two countries To the Northward we haue in Goa a City country that lies by ⅔ as far from Iappon as Iappon from Lisbon some 6000. leagues We haue Colledges in many places of the east west Indies That I may say nothing of those we haue in Europe which are a great many more then our enemies would fewer by a great many