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A43300 Persecution for religion judg'd and condemned in a discourse between an antichristian and a Christian : proving by the law of God and of the land, and by King James his many testimonies, that no man ought to be persecuted for his religion, so he testifie his allegiance by the oath appointed by law. Helveys, Thomas, 1550?-1616? 1662 (1662) Wing H1413A; ESTC R30775 68,908 82

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perdition_n from_o the_o presence_n of_o the_o lord_n and_o the_o glory_n of_o his_o power_n the_o time_n thereof_o be_v mention_v in_o the_o last_o recite_v place_n ver_fw-la 7._o when_o the_o lord_n jesus_n shall_v show_v himself_o from_o heaven_n with_o his_o mighty_a angel_n and_o rom._n 2.5_o the_o day_n of_o wrath._n and_o ver_fw-la 16._o at_o that_o day_n when_o god_n shall_v judge_v the_o secret_n of_o man_n by_o jesus_n christ_n and_o mat._n 13.40_o 41._o at_o the_o end_n of_o this_o world_n the_o son_n of_o man_n shall_v send_v forth_o his_o angel_n and_o they_o shall_v gather_v out_o of_o his_o kingdom_n all_o thing_n that_o offend_v and_o they_o that_o do_v iniquity_n and_o shall_v cast_v they_o into_o a_o furnace_n of_o fire_n etc._n etc._n here_o be_v show_v the_o punisher_n the_o punishment_n and_o the_o time_n thereof_o this_o punisher_n have_v command_v you_o to_o wait_v for_o their_o repentance_n by_o his_o own_o example_n which_o be_v in_o his_o hand_n to_o give_v 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all_o man_n take_v notice_n that_o by_o this_o exposition_n you_o overthrow_v your_o own_o excommunication_n quite_o and_o accuse_v christ_n for_o give_v a_o rule_n mat._n 18._o and_o the_o apostle_n paul_n and_o the_o church_n of_o corinth_n for_o practise_v that_o rule_n 1_o cor._n 5._o in_o cast_v out_o of_o the_o church_n for_o you_o say_v all_o must_v grow_v together_o to_o the_o end_n in_o the_o church_n but_o the_o exposition_n of_o the_o lawgiver_n himself_o be_v against_o you_o that_o the_o field_n be_v the_o world_n ver_fw-la 38._o yet_o in_o that_o you_o confess_v that_o the_o wicked_a and_o the_o godly_a must_v be_v let_v alone_o in_o the_o church_n unto_o the_o end_n then_o much_o more_o in_o the_o world_n unto_o the_o end_n for_o if_o the_o wicked_a pollute_v not_o the_o church_n sure_a it_o be_v they_o pollute_v not_o the_o world_n this_o than_o you_o be_v command_v unto_o ver_fw-la 29_o 30._o nay_o gather_v they_o not_o let_v they_o grow_v together_o unto_o the_o end_n of_o the_o world_n ant._n let_v they_o come_v to_o church_n and_o they_o shall_v grow_v together_o unto_o the_o end_n ch._n indeed_o i_o think_v so_o hereby_o you_o manifest_v you_o regard_v not_o how_o wicked_a and_o ungodly_a man_n be_v so_o they_o come_v to_o your_o church_n you_o will_v not_o destroy_v they_o though_o they_o remain_v in_o their_o abominable_a lust_n but_o if_o they_o will_v not_o come_v to_o your_o church_n let_v they_o be_v wheat_n or_o tare_n you_o will_v gather_v they_o and_o as_o much_o as_o in_o you_o be_v send_v they_o to_o burn_v herein_o all_o man_n may_v see_v as_o i_o say_v before_o that_o you_o seek_v your_o own_o glory_n and_o obedience_n and_o not_o god_n and_o so_o exalt_v yourselves_o above_o god_n 2_o thess_n 2._o indif_a well_o i_o bless_v god_n i_o see_v this_o as_o clear_o as_o the_o sun_n shine_v in_o his_o brightness_n that_o it_o be_v to_o fight_v against_o god_n to_o compel_v any_o contrary_a to_o their_o conscience_n to_o perform_v any_o service_n unto_o he_o in_o that_o there_o be_v so_o many_o place_n of_o scripture_n command_v the_o contrary_a ch._n the_o whole_a new_a testament_n throughout_o in_o all_o the_o doctrine_n and_o practice_n of_o christ_n and_o his_o disciple_n teach_v no_o such_o thing_n as_o compel_a man_n by_o persecution_n and_o affliction_n to_o obey_v the_o gospel_n but_o the_o direct_a contrary_n viz._n to_o suffer_v at_o the_o hand_n of_o the_o wicked_a when_o they_o be_v persecute_v for_o righteousness_n sake_n to_o suffer_v it_o when_o the_o unbeliever_n and_o wicked_a curse_v they_o to_o bless_v and_o pray_v for_o their_o repentance_n and_o that_o god_n will_v forgive_v they_o and_o never_o lie_v these_o sin_n to_o their_o charge_n as_o our_o saviour_n luke_n 23.34_o stephen_n act._n 7.60_o and_o the_o rest_n do_v and_o for_o a_o conclusion_n