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A04843 The fourth sermon preached at Hampton Court on Tuesday the last of Sept. 1606. By John Kinge Doctor of Divinity, and Deane of Christ-Church in Oxon King, John, 1559?-1621. 1607 (1607) STC 14975; ESTC S108027 28,604 52

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this delicate vvine of humane plausible invention let him breefly vnderstand Parents it had of incomparable worth and credit in the Church of Christ which begot it with the strength of imagination I thinke they thought it good bare it not without paine and vvith much contradiction brought it forth with zeale nursed it vvith care christened it vvith the holiest names they could devise apparrelled it with the fairest colours pretexts of scripture the primitiue church and so sent it forth into the worlde as delitias humani generis the blessedst babe that euer anie age of the world brought forth bearing the right stampe of the purest and surest reformation Quis non in hun●errorem abripiatur ducibus Calvino Beza saide a learned father of our Church though not of our nation vvho like a Tiresias had in a sorte experienced both kindes of governments You are not ignorant what Ierome held of Origen Malo cum Origine errare quā cum alijs vera sentire he had rather erre with Origen then thinke the truth with other men Anaxagoras ●ivem esse nigram dixit ferresnè siegaidem dicerem Anaxagoras might say the snow was blacke an other might not do it The fashion of the world is Pauci res ips as sequuntur plures nominarerum plurimi nomina magistrorum I am of Paul one crieth an other I am of Cephas Tutum est peccare authoribus illis Men hold it safe to erre by authority Of which men I will speake no worse hauing been the sonnes of mine owne mother and fathers of many sonnes begottē in the gospel of Christ then Austin said of Cyprian a glorious starre in the firmament of the Church one that lost his light for the testimony of the truth Sicut multa erant quae doctus Cyprianus doceret sic erat aliquidquod Cyprianus docibilis disceret Learned Cypri an raught and learned Cyprian might learne He maintained an errour about the rebaptization of heretikes cum octoginta ferè Episcopis Africanarum ecclesiarū that no man may wonder at an errour in the Church an errour of continuance it lasted through many Africā Coūcels vpheld by as worthy pillers as the church had any 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 may the be it that dwel in mortality say though their fames liue in their ever-liuing bookes and their names are written in the booke of life we also are men we are no better then our fathers we know but in part we haue our affections and imperfections errours and escapes blemishes as all other men Jt is not to bee thought but their grounds were firme vnmoueable wheron they staied themselues According to the rule of Tertulliā id verius quod prius the elder the better they haue made their discipline the of-spring of Christ the most anciēt apostolique Church frō whence they perswade themselues they are able to deriue it along throughout all ages as by certaine ruines they say rather traces and foote prints in the writings of the learned may appeare downe to these present times hence forth of force to continne to the worlds end Our answere to this hath beene whilst the husbandmen yet stept and being not throughly awaked vp on better advise suffered these tares to grow vp in the Church carried it seemeth with the streame of a common receiued opinion that such presbyteries had erst beene our answere hath beenell say admitting that antiquitie that neuer was yet that one and the selfe-same forme of Church-policie be fitteth not all times all places but according to the variety therof recipit im● exigit receiueth ●ay requireth variation of orders The answere was verie in it For who can conceiue that one and the same fashion can accorde vnto her in her infancy and fuller growth persecuted in peace flying with the woman in the wildernes and resting as the doue in the arke lying in the caues of the ground sitting as a Queene vpon a glorious seat sometimes vnder an heathen Emperour sometimes a Christian now an Arriā and then orthodoxe againe at one time dwelling in lerusalem a citty built at vnity within it selfe at an other diffused into a large and open region whilst shee is pusillus gre● a little stocke and when her children come stocking by troups as doues to their windowes lastly in the daies of hir marriage if I may so speak and in the daies of hir widowhood when the bridegrome is taken from her in the full floud Ocean and tedundancy of the miraculous gifts of the holy Ghost and when she is reduced to a measure and stint but of ordinary graces You may aswell shape a coat for the moone waxing waning chāging into so many formes as set downe one manner of discipline for the body of the Church They call it the Churches Liverie which I see not but in the sommer of hir peace may be of one stuffe of an other in the winter of hir troubles Say these elders had beene in the Primitine Church as they neuer vvere therfore to continue Si revacas temporum illorum mores primùm conditiones statum quoque illorum revoca If you vvill call backe the vses of those times make the state of our times equall vnto them and put vs vnder a pagan Emperour and persequntion againe Gloria filiae regis ab intùs the internal beawty of the Church is alwaies the same but hir outward garmēt is of diuers colours and requisite it is that it should be so for if there were no alteration ceremonies would be taken not to be ceremonies but matters of substance To conclude Tertullians rule is infallible Regula fidei immobilis irreformabilis caetera disciplina conversationis admittunt nou●tatem correctionis One body one spirit one lord one faith one baptisme One gouernment one policy one ceremony one discipline was neuer spoken But that is not the bucklet we hold forth against them at this time Let them lead vs into these cellars of the bridegrome as the phrase of this booke is and from the vessel of any one sentence or syllable therin draw out vnto vs the smallest drop of assurance that ever this presbytery was instituted by Christ or his Apostles and we are ready vpon the sight to ioine hands with them But I verily assure my selfe vnlesse they will wrest and pervert scripture and in steed of the naturall milke it giueth inforce out the bloud of violent interpretation and cause it to walke a mile or two farther for their fancy thē ever the holy Ghost meant it there is not one word to be founde that assertaineth this opinion J finde in the booke of Christ a double presbytery mentioned one of the Iewes wherof Paul speaketh Act. 22. 5. the cheefe priest doth beare me witnes 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and the whole state and consistory of the elders From thence was he armed with letters and power to Damascus to persecute the Saints albeit the
friend but rather discover cōfute things that were past all shame But say that the supreme magistrate thus dared as you heard before wil not submit himselfe nor admit the gouernment so eagerly pursued What then There are other inferior magistrates to stand in place and Nobles vvere at first ordained by God to bridle Princes A good doctrine What if the Nobles make a conscience therin Then is the lande without anie magistrate at all and the sword in the peoples handes Belike the people themselues when we are fallen so low are 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 headlesse vnlesse they bee guided and directed by their presbyteries These are not gradus but praecipitia steps but downe-fals You see we are come at lenght to a faire passe frō the head of authority the eies of wisdome eares of discreation tongues of perswasion and grace breasts of counsaile direction armes of true puissance fortitude to the very feete of obedience and subiection they should be they must needes proue of disorder and confusion The feere rule all A mere Cyclopicall state ingens corpus cui lumen ademptum Agreat and vnweldy body without an eie Now in this 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 the world turned vpside downe where the people commandeth all what hath beene done to trouble the peace both of Church and common wealth Rather what not The beginninges were tragicall with the trumpet of Sheba the tongue of Shimei and not much lesse then the hand of Zimri the proceedings tyrannicall the ende in processe of time likely to haue proued more then intolerable He prophecied not amisse of this way when as yet shee lay in her cradle as it were and swathing clowts and was commended to the liking of an other nation Timet●● altera tyrannis we are afraide of an other tyranny Novus pontificatus a new p●pedome was the iudg ment of an other The stile may now be altered vpon the evēt of things by those that write testemeipso vpon their experience a thousand times Sentitur altera tyrannis we fe●l● that which other feared For when they shall hold that the supreme Magistrate professing the faith I speake not of N●ma nor Nero I saie the supreme Christian magistrate cu●us potestas sancta sanctae leges sanctus gladius hath authoritie over his subiects not as they are Christians but as they are men authority over Bishops Priests not as they are such but as they are men wherein I haue much wondred with my selfe that they which abhorre popery so much euen in matters of ceremonies should so nearly approach to it in substantiall assertions that the king is no competent iudge in pulpit affaiers and as touching the law of God he shal be indeed vindex vtriusque tabulae an avenger of both tables but as for the ordering of the Church he may sit in the assembly as an honorable member of the church to vote and consent with the rest but not otherwise when they shall giue him potestatem facti but not iuris power to execute but not to ordaine custodiam vindictam not constitutionem promulgationem which is to make him carnificem their executioner alone saith Erastus and to yeelde him supremacie in causes Ecclesiasticall is to take both swords from the Pope and giue them to the King to pull downe a spiritual Pope and erect a temporal when they shal say that the political government is subalterne to the ecclesiasticall quasi inferius quoddam subsellium and as it were a lower kinde of Court and that Princes thēselues though they bee the nursing-fathers of the Church yet they are her servants too and therefore must ever remēber to submit thēselues subiect their scepters cast downe their crownes before her yea and to licke the verie dust of her feete vvhereof I trust they will make an allegory and not vnderstand by the feete of the Church the feete of Church men and lastlie that scepters crow●es and swords are but pompous and glorious ceremonies with a number the like positions who will make quaestion but their doings haue beene answerable thervnto in assembling thēselues togither at their pleasures in proclaiming pub lique fastes in making and marring and altering church orders yea in compelling the magistrate himselfe to order as if they were Ephori Regis tutors and over seers of him so far forth as to excommunicate his sacred person and beeing excommunicate that is ca●t downe vnto hell to deeme him vnworthy to hold life vpon the earth Against which presumptions of theirs if the King cannot helpe himselfe let him be as an Idoll fastened to the wall that hath hāds without handling and cannot driue the birds from his head nor wipe away the dust from his ●ies or as a skarcrow that standeth idlely in a gardē of cucūbers M Gualter pastour of the Church at Zurick who liued at that very time when the breath of life was first breathed vpon the face of this new created discipline in his cōmentaries vpon the first to the Corinthians the 5. Chap. besides sundry other places sheweth his dislike of those that are not contented vvith their christian magistrats vnlesse they also haue their ecclesiastical senates nor contented therwith are angry at other churches that haue them not Sedp●rcāt illi nobis c. saith he let them b●are with vs and no● be over-rast in passing their iudgment vpon vs nor thinke euery shoe fit to bee drawne vpon the foote of every Church He blameth them for their frequencie of excommunications wherby it may come to passe that the number of the excommunicate may be grea ter sometime then the communicants themselues their theatricall satisfactions to set offendors vpon the stage tire them out with immoderate penāces but especially their ex●ōmunications against Kings by which they become ridiculous both to them and others Dum vel●ti lep●res dare iur● leonibus ●udent Surely I thinke when first they claimed their authority over people and pastor they stretcht it with cords but whē over Kings and the soveraignes of the earth they drew it with cart-ropes For they then tooke vpon them without leaue and practised without law that which if the king should grant them hee might likewise answere them as Salomon did his mother in hi● suite for Adoniah postul●●i regnum you vvere best take the kingdome too ●it being no more possible there should bee two authenticke authorities vvithin one kingdome then that one and the same bodie can beare two heads If any demaund the reason how a Church discipline so lately sprunge the time and place of vvhose breed is so well knowne one tearmed it Talmud Sab●udicū should be able to propagate it selfe throughout so manie repurged Churches of Christendome and carrie the protection and patronage of so manie excellent men that at what time they cast vp the dregges of Antichristian corruptions whereof they had laboured and lien sicke along time they should at the present so greedylie drinke dovvne