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A43313 An essay for the discovery and discouraging of the new sprung schism raised and maintained by Mr Simon Henden of Bennenden in Kent. Exhibited in some passages of writing which have gone between Mr John Elmeston of Cranebroke, and the same M. Henden. Published according to order. Elmeston, John.; Henden, Simon, attributed name. 1652 (1652) Wing H1429B; ESTC R216858 34,427 52

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bent themselves to finde out the mysteries of that Book then any one man though he would be held as singular in this mystical Divinity as Plato was in Philosophy And that which you point unto farther out of Isa. 62. 5. if they both concern one thing and time as you seem to intimate doth much confirm this Interpretation For it directly and expresly speaks of Sion and its restoring as appears by the beginning of the Chapter and what follows which if it had not its full accomplishment in the Jews Deliverance out of Babylon and their Church and Commonwealth restauration thereupon it cannot well be applied otherwise then to the last conversion of the Jewish Nation and to that excellent Church-condition whereunto they shall then be brought Secondly Touching this allegation and all other of the same kinde much used by you I wish that that notable saying of Irenaeus so much approved by learned Divines were known to or regarded by you Omnis Prophetia priusquam habeat efficaciam anigmata ambiguitas sunt hominibus Cum autem venerit tempus evenit quod Prophetatum est ●um Prophetiae habent liquidam certam expositionem All Prophecie before it be accomplished presents nothing but Riddles and matters of doubt unto men but when the time is come and that is fulfilled which was prophesied then Prophecies have a clear and certain exposition According to which most right sentence I say that the mystical Prophecies of the Apocalyps or other Scripture which are but in part fulfilled but specially such as yet are wholly to be fulfilled and so subject to various Interpretations are too too weak grounds to build such lofty opinions and assertions upon as befool all learned Divines over-turn all right and orderly Ministry and turn all latter Christian Churches into Antichristian For who is he that can infallibly say What is meant by the vials poured out on Euphrates or on the Air by the Marriage of the Lamb and of his Bride and sundry other things in the following Chapters as he ought to be able to doe that will inferre and make good such high and destructive Paradoxes as are above-mentioned There are many Prophecies in that Book already in part fulfilled as many things about the two Witnesses the distinction of the first and second Beast the vial poured out on the Sun with divers things Chap. 14 and 16. about which the learned which have searched into those Mysteries do so differ that a man cannot finde from them any sure ground to rest upon It is doubtlesse lawfull and profitable as you and others do to search into the Mysteries of that Book But for a clear and full Interpretation of some things already fulfilled much more of things to be fulfilled we must wait the Lords time to which somewhat doth accord that proverbial Speech That Veritas est temporis filia and his Revelation of them by clear and indubitable events But by these mistakes and differences of learned men as diligent and understanding searchers as our selves we should learn to be moderate and wary how we did peremptorily determine matters so abstruse and upon such our private determinations lay the weight of such notable Paradoxes and strange strains which to doe is rather rash presumption and self-confidence then true knowledge and wisdom Sixthly Now follows your fourth Assertion viz. That the breathing of the Spirit both in Officers and Ordinances which acted in them in the Primitive times is now restrained and as seems to be your meaning hath been restrained ever since the Apostasie so that they were all that while and now are but as a carcase without a soul Answ. If this be so What means have there been all this while for mens conversion and salvation For which the Lord out of his goodnesse cannot but ever make due provision From whence hath proceeded the conversion of thousands which have been wrought on since the Apostasie if not from the Officers and Ordinances that have succeeded the Primitive times and in some measure continued under the corrupt state of the Church and the spirits breathing in and working by them St John saw and that under the Apostasie a hundred fourty four thousand waiting upon the Lamb in Mount Sion Revel. 14. 1. Whence now had these their conversion but from the Spirit in those times breathing in and by the Officers and O●dinances that then were Again S. John saw it seems after this on Mount Sion upon the declining of Antichrist a great number standing by a glassie-sea mingled with fire which had gotten the victory over the Beast his Image his Mark and the number of his Name singing a new Song and praising God for their deliverance Rev. 15. 2 3. Whence had these their conversion They were not I ween Aborigenes a people sprung out of the earth or let down out of the Heavens but surely had their spiritual birth and being from the Spirit breathing in the Officers and Ordinances of those times Lastly Have not thousands in these latter times in the reformed Churches and so are many the Lord be praised unto this day been converted to the faith by the preaching of the Ministers in them And what more ample testimony can there be then this that their ministery is not a carcase without a soul but that the Spirit doth breathe in the Ordinance of pteaching and Sacraments administred by them It may here by you be suggested perhaps that in all these Ages and so now they preached but as gifted men and in that way the Spirit went along with them Not as Ministers by Office Answ. This is but said and not proved and so may as easily be denied as it is affirmed 2. They in all Ages former and latter stood and acted as Ministers by Office were so acknowledged and received by the Churches yea and also Christians converted untill of late that they have been taught a new ungratefull lesson who felt the power of the Spirit working on them by their preaching did look on their conversion as a fruit of their true official Ministry and a seal thereof 3 The Apostle Paul doth produce the conversion of the Corinthians by his preaching not so much for a proof that he was a man sufficiently gifted for the work of the Ministry but as a seal of his Apostleship and as a divine testimony that as he acted as an Apostle in his Preaching so indeed he was and so they were to acknowledge him 2 Cor. 3. 2. 2 Cor. 9. 1 2. If therefore the conversion of the Corinthians were proof sufficient for Paul that he was an Apostle that is an official Minister though extraordinary surely the work of conversion formerly and now wrought by them doth suffice to make good That the Ministers of the reformed Churches have been and are right Ministers of Christ and rightly in office under him Lastly For that of Revel. 7. 1. which you point to of the four Angels holding the four windes that they