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A03253	A true discourse of the two infamous upstart prophets, Richard Farnham weaver of White-Chappell, and Iohn Bull weaver of Saint Butolphs Algate, now prisoners, the one in Newgate, and the other in Bridewell with their examinations and opinions taken from their owne mouthes April 16. anno 1636. As also of Margaret Tennis now prisoner in Old Bridewell, with the hereticall opinions held by her, at the same time examined. Written by T.H.; True discourse of the two infamous upstart prophets, Richard Farnham weaver of White-Chappell, and John Bull weaver of Saint Butolphs Algate, now prisoners, the one in Newgate, and the other in Bridewell.	Heywood, Thomas, d. 1641.	1636 (1636)	STC 13369; ESTC S104076	8,086	48

A True Discourse of the Two infamous upstart Prophets Richard Farnham Weaver of White-Chappell and John Bull Weaver of Saint Butolphs Algate now Prisoners the one in Newgate and the other in Bridewell with their Examinations and Opinions taken from their owne mouthes April 16. Anno 1636. As also of Margaret Tennis now Prisoner in Old Bridewell with the Hereticall Opinions held by her at the same time Examined Written by T. H. Printed at London for Thomas Lambert and are to be sold at his Shop at the signe of the Horse-shooe neare the Hospitall-gate in Smithfield 1636 To the Reader COurteous Reader we have here exposed to thy view New Prophets and expounders of the Scriptures but I must tell thee farre differing from those of Old They were called by God but these have called or rather miscalled themselves These scorne the names of Doctors or Schollers yet being plaine Weavers as you may see them discovered in the Frontispeece understanding nothing themselves will undertake to teach others Such is the stupidity of blind Simplicity and Ignorance of which these shuttle-witted fellows are too much guilty Nor are they to be much wondred at for as Salomon saith There is no new thing under the Sunne So the World produceth now no Prodigies the like of which it bath not before teemed As for example that Pseudocbriftus Hacket who for his fearefull blaspbemies was executed in Cheapside and whose Associates dyed miserably and Legat who of more late daies for maintaining the Arrian Heresie was burnt in Smithfield Let the nominating of these serve for many Gentle Reader this onely I intreat thee in the perusall hereof that though thou wondrest at their impudence thou withall pitty their ignorance Farewell A TRUE RELATION of the Examination of John Bull and Richard Farnbam his Companion of the Opinions which they now hold with their ignorance and superstition confuted LEt no man wonder that such vaine triflers are now who studie to bring in new Doctrines and Opinions into the Church since it is apparent that even from the time of the Apostles no Age hath beene without them Needlesse therefore it were to enter upon a long discourse of the errors Schismes and Heresies that have heretofore beene or to reckon up a tedious Catalogue being so numerous of their first founders and abettors Neither in how many generall Councells they have beene convinced and utterly exploded which would take up more time than needeth fince we know by our Saviours owne words that there should be false Prophets and Teachers even to the end of the World onely I will give you a briefe Character what for the most part one of these Innovators in Religion is An Hypocrite and of all Actors the worst as personating him whom he is not but would seeme to be double fac't double hearted In outward appearance boasting fadnesse and gravity Whilit within hee is all pleasure and alacrity and for no other cause but that hee can so craftily delude and cunningly deceive In his demisse lookes you may read the Characters of Religion which the more he seemeth to Profosse he is the further frō the practice A smooth face a rugged mind a sheeps habite a wolves heart a simple and straight garment a double and large conscience His heart convinc't by his mouth his mouth by his actions Hee riseth early to goe into the Temple and that God whom in heart he despiseth he there seemingly adoreth where hee more regards who observe what he doth than considers with himselfe what he ought to doe his heart not being aware whither his eyes wander He exclaimes of the want of charity in others but expresseth no part thereof in himselfe His seat in the Church is where he may be the most seene In the time of the Sermon he drawes out his tables to take the Notes but still noting who observes him to take them At every place of Scripture cited he turnes over the leaves of his Booke more pleased with the motion of the leaves than the matter of the Text For hee folds downe the leaves though he finds not the place his eye being still fixt on his paper or the Pulpit Hee lifts up the whites of his eyes towards Heaven when hee meditates on the sordid pleasures of the earth his body being in Gods Church when his minde is in the divels Chappell If he heare a strange Preacher he at his cōming down as raptur'd with his Doctrine salutes him with a cringe and demands his name with a congie and offers that person his Hat whose profession he casts at his heeles but if he can winde him up to his owne Tone he will Echo to him in the same Tune When he takes occasion to speake of the passage of his former life he will seeme to weepe not for his former wantonnesse but his present weaknesse not that he hath a will to act but that he hath no ability to performe not for the many sinnes of his youth but that hee cannot so freely commit them in his age Other mens errors he will sharply reproove but his owne vices secretly retaine If he give to the poore it is not that they should pray for him but that thereby he may make a prey of others He both prayes and gives but neither of them without company because he thinks if God should not take notice of his workes hee can be sure to bring witnesse of them If he prove so rich as to raise an Hospitall out of his private usury it is not for any vertue but rather vaine glory as being onely built for such as hee hath before begger'd Hee will transforme a Gnat into a Cammell and a Fly into an Elephant He preferres his owne superstitions before the Churches reverent Ceremonies and will sooner deserve a white sheete than endure a surplesse He prescribes his owne Lawes and directs his faith by his owne Liturgy standing whilst others bowe and sitting whilst others kneele To his Acquaintance present he is a Gnato to those that are absent an Aristarchus he weepeth at the side of his friend when his heart wisheth him in his grave Hee salutes cheerefully when he intends churlishly and to conclude with these full attributes belonging unto him though he be held a Saint by his owne Sect he proveth his neighbours calamity the poyson of honesty the Cōmon-weales canker the Churches corrosive an eye sore by day a stumbling block by night a Taper smoky in the burning noysome in the extinguishing faulty in his promise false in his oath who whēhe seems much to favour ought then most especially to be feared I forbeare to speake of any forraigne Vipers onely to shew you the Spiders bred under our owne roofes the Snakes bedded in our native Earth many new and upstart Schismaticall opinions have lately troubled the peace of the Church all different among themselves onely agreeing in this that they unanimously conspire to disturbe the common quiet The Father of one sect a learned Button-maker

or other well-minded Scholler who come modestly to disswade him from these refractory absurdities he will say that his desire is nay rather his earnest request is that as the Prophet Daniel was cast into a Den of Lions so he may be also to prove himselfe to be a true Prophet and a chosen vessell of the Lord for as their mouthes were shut up against Daniel so likewise it shall happen to him for they shall neither have strength nor power to hurt or damage him They further hold themselves to have such power over the Elements that at their prayer they can command the clouds to showre downe raine upon the earth and at their prayer too they can restraine those timely and seasonable drops which refresh it Here too it is further to be observed that they are simple Tradesmen who never look't upon any University or scarcely have beene acquainted with a Grammar Schoole who onely can read English though yet know not how to speake it truely Yet these poore fellowes confidently beleeve that the Spirit of God shall so aboundantly fall upon them that like the Apostles they shall be able to speake all Tongues and Languages But especially when they shall come to Hierusalem they shall be inspired with the Holy Tongue the very same in which the Patriarchs and Prophets spake and prophesied Moreover in all their conference with such as sometimes for novelties sake come to visite them they constantly affirme and confidently beleeve that no mortall man of what estate or condition foever can have the least power to harme them Or if it please the Almighty to suffer them to discipline or chastise their bodies yet over their lives they shall have no power at all either to hazard them or take them away But whosoever shall intend or attempt any such violence against them their hate towards them shall be turned upon themselves so that they shall prove their owne executioners such as was Iudas who betrayed the life of his Lord and Maister But let the Reader here take notice in this how ignorantly and sottishly they contradict themselves affirming in this place that no man shall have the least power to insidiate their lives or bring them to any untimely and remarkable death When before in Farnhams examination by divers learned Commissioners appoynted to that purpose Hee with the other contested that he must be first slaine and after rise againe and be crowned King of Hierusalem And Bull in his examination attested That he should be also first slaine at Hierusalem where Christ suffered and after live againe and like Aaron and his sonne Eleazar reigne an High Priest there which something seemes to smell of the Sect of the Thraskites and Sabbat arians I might leave these and come to a third namely a woman now prisoner in Bridewell the weaknesse of whose Sexe can bee no excuse or priviledge for her horrible blasphemies which indeede almost want president and yet we may see how farre the Divell can worke with his owne servants I might set downe with her name Margret Tennis her examination the which for modesties sake I will forbeare to speake of it beeing such incredible and scarce heard-of Blasphemy able not onely to make the eares to tingle but the heart to tremble which as it horrors mee to write so I make no question but whosoever shall peruse it it will trouble him to read and therefore I forbeare to publish it in regard that 't is almost unbeleeveable that any such Monster should have being upon the face of the earth at least he may well and that justly too suspect that the words which she spake came from the mouth of a Iew but no Christian. But at this present she is either mad or counterfeits madnesse wishing with my heart that shee may both returne to her wits and to true repentance And as of her so also I speake of the other whom I could wish to have an inspection into their owne follies and having gone so far astray to retyre themselves into the true sheepfold Solomon the wisest of Kings saith Hee that keepeth his mouth and his tongue hee keepeth his soule from affliction and else where It is a mans honour to cease from strife but every foole will bee meddling There bee some that speake words like the pricking of a sword but the tongue of a wise-man is health The beginning of strife is as one that openeth the waters therefore ere the contention be meddled with leave off He loveth transgression that loveth strife and hee that exalteth his gate seeketh destruction The froward heart findeth no good and hee that hath a naughty tongue falleth into evill There is no question to be made but that he who is the Father of Lyes is also the founder of controversies who is the Divell neither is his inveterate malice against mankinde discovered in publicke hostility onely as when Armes are taken up for the differences of Religion as it hath often happened but in vaine and unnecessary questions whence truth in the disputing of them may be darkened In him is the spirit of contradiction or rather he may be c●●d the spirit it selfe nor breatheth hee onely almost upon all Academies Schooles Rectories and Families but even upon our mother Church it selfe by broaching Errors and Heresies and daily devising new fangle and trifling Innovations as having ever beene the incendiary to selfe-opinion and all refractory disobedience and these arise for the most part from ignorant peevish and selfe opiniond Separatists whose false Tenents the more they are urged upon them the more many times to the smal understanding of the simple the truth is intangled The apparent Syllogisme saith one ought to be contained in few words but if it be too farre prosecuted and unnecessarily continued the Syllogisme groweth into a Paralogisme which is no better than a perverse wrangling And therefore when one proposed to a grave Philosopher a needlesse and impertinent Aenigma of which he desired a short and speedy answer He thus replyed speaking to those that were there present This fellow desireth to milke a Goate and would have mee to hold a Collender full of holes to receive it Now Vtrum stultior saith Erasmus qui ●ulget Hireum quàm quì ●ribram Supponit To conclude I would wish all these stupid novellists for their better understanding since they are so obstinate to forsake Christs flock yet at last to looke into that which Pythagoras taught over whose doore it was thus written Hee that knoweth not what hee ought to know is a beast amongst men Hee that knoweth no more than hee must needes know is a man amongst Beasts But hee that knoweth all things which are fit to be knowne is a God amongst men After divers visitations by sundry Divines and men of quality this Richard Farnham understood by some of them that it was reported of him that hee was Christ for the better clearing of that Aspersion laid on him and some others in that kinde he hath given out these lines which you may read that hee writ very late himselfe in Prison THere bee many false reports that goe of mee in the City of London and I beleeve they are spread abroad in the Countrey First some report of me that I say I am Christ. Secondly some say that I am Elias Thirdly some report of me that I should say that it should not raine of 3 yeares and some say a longer time some say a shorter Fourthly some report of me that I should say when it raines againe it should raine blood and some say fire and brimstone which are false the Lord of Heaven and Earth knoweth that I have not uttered any of those words But these things you may report to be truths from my own hand-writing I say I am one of those two witnesses that are spoken of in the 11 of the Revelation and that the Lord hath given mee power for the opening and the shutting of the Heavens The Lord hath moved mee by prayer since I came into this Prison to bee earnest with him for the shutting of the Heavens and I am certaine that the Heavens are shut and that the earth shall not receive any benefit to speake of by the Raine that shall fall untill the Lord doth moove mee to pray for Raine and I doe steadfastly beleeve that in the day the Lord doth move me to pray for Raine it shall Raine but I say this if the Lord doth continue mee praying but 6 weekes longer as now he doth I beleeve there is a great deale of seede sowne in this land of England which wil never be reaped nor mowed I doe not meane the whole kingdome but of this part of the land where my dwelling is And this I know that there are iudgements a comming Pestilence Famine and sword and I know I shal live and see them fulfilled and be preserved Therefore it behoveth every one that hath not made his peace with God both high and low to repent and make his peace with God in a true and unfeigned repentance that it may goe well with the soule howsoever it goeth with the body As Solomon saith Riches profit not in the day of wrath but righteousnesse delivereth from death FINIS

well known the founder of another a commenting Cobler c. And now we have 2 Prophesying Weavers upon whose stupidity or madnesse this present discourse isframed in durance whose ridiculous absurdities I shall presently acquaint you with Onely this I faine would know were there no Ecclesiasticall government what rubricke should stand or how or after what manner would they have God served One sect beleeves wee have a Saviour but counts it superstition to have his name reverenc't and bow'd unto Some approove of no Sacraments at all others allow of Sacraments but hold that to kneele before the Table or Altar when the Blessed Supper of the Lord is to be received is meerely Idolatrous Notwithstanding the Church with godly and mature consideration hath injoyned it Some cavell at the manner of the standing of the Table Others would sit at the Lords board with their backes toward the Wall as they eate in their houses or drinke in the Tavernes yea and no doubt with their heads covered too One fect challengeth the liberty of all sensuality and pleasure Others will allow no commendable exercises or lawfull recreations But if you observe them generally and withall consider them judicially it will easily appeare that as they altogether impugne the Churches authority so cunningly and cautelously they would trench upon the high Supremacy Moreover some are not more piously devoted to repaire Churches and Temples than others are divelishly minded to see them ruind and demolisht Some will heare a Sermon but they cannot endure to be present at Common Prayer Others could be content to heare divine Service but abhorre it if it be said in a Popish Surplesse Nay there are divers who make a conscience to heare sermons yet they will heare but such and such a man as pleaseth their owne fancies and affections But if any of these Predicants shall affect novelty or singularity to introduce any innovating points of Doctrine deviating from the true and Orthodoxe way of the mother Church he shall be sure to bee most highly applauded and the place wherein he lectureth or preacheth to be much thronged And if he shal stand out against Conformity in Religion and for that cause be questioned and therefore silenc't then there are private collections gifts presents and contributions and all these to maintaine him in his perverse obstinacies Againe one loves the Bible but it must be bound without the Apocrypha for that they hold as an abhomination Insomuch that many from Schisme grow unto Atheisme and in devising new and unheard of waies how to worship God grow into that stupidity to acknowledge no God at all and from hearts of flesh they are growne to have hearts of Iron and Adamant As for those that hate Churches and love to have their conventieles in private houses or in VVoods and Groves to whom may I better compare them than to the Idolatrous Iewes who leaving the glorious Temple of King Solomon sacrificed to Baal-peo● to Moloch and divers others of the Idols of the Gentiles in Groves and the high places But amongst all these diversities of opinions if every man having no super-eminent power over him to curbe his presumed and refractory liberty should follow his owne private humour what manner of Church or Common-wealth should wee have amongst us VVould not all grow into confusion and disorder and returne into that stupidity of ignorance which swayed in the VVorld before the true Religion was first propagated and after received at the last it must necessarily come to mutiny if not massacre for as there is no greater malice or more invented hatred prosecuted then when familiar friends fall at oddes or naturall brothers grow into dissention so there can no greater hatred or inveterate malice arise then when Christian brethren of a reformed Church having distanced themselves from all Papall superstitions shall inconsiderately and indiscreetly I may rather say foolishly and madly fall into these sottish and ridiculous Chimeraes to betray weaknesse in themselves and beget distraction in others being indeede nothing else than meere illusions of the Divell the former Ages having beene troubled with the like as no question the future shall be But I come now to the persons themselves the one Richard Farnham a Weaver in White-Chappell the other Iohn Bull a Weaver late dwelling in the Parish of St. Butolphs Algate The Examination of Richard Farnham Weaver taken April the 16. 1636. THe said examinate saith and constantly affirmeth that hee hath the very spirit of God which revealeth unto him all secrets whatsoever and that he is moreover Anointed and can predict and foretell whatsoever is to come Hee saith also that there shall be a great pestilence and a Famine and that he shall see them and be delivered from them as having no power to hurt him He likewise affirmeth that he must first be slaine and after that rise againe and after that be made King of that very Ierusalem in which King David and King Salomon once reigned He saith also that he himselfe is one of those two witnesses spoken of in the Revelation the 11 Chapter beginning at the third Verse and that his brother Bull is another also and shall be a Priest at the same time when he is made a King Now the words of the Text on which they ground these idle fancies are these But I will give power unto my two witnesses and they shall prophesie one thousand two hundred and threescore dayes cloathed in sackecloth These are the two Olive-trees and two Candlesticks standing before the God of the earth And if any man will hurt them fire proceedeth out of their mouths and devoureth their enemies for if any man would hurt them thus must he be killed These have power to shut Heaven that it raine not in the dayes of their Prophesying and have power over waters to turne them into blood and to Smile the earth with all manner of plagues as often as they will And when they have finished their Testimony the beast that commeth out of the bottomlesse pit shall make warre against them and shall overcome them and kill them And their corpses shall lie in the streets of the great City c. The Examination of John Bull Weaver taken at the same time HEE besotted with the like Lunacy constantly affirmeth also that he is a Prophet and one of these two witnesses before spoken of in all things agreeing with his brother Farnham and that hee shall also be slaine at Hierusalem where Christ suffered and shall rise againe and after that his resurrection he shall reigne there as a Priest And these two persist in their obstinacies and are at this time prisoners the one in New-gate the other in Bridewell now the blind and besotted ignorance of these poore and sencelesse Mechanicks I leave to the consideration of any indifferent Reader But you have not yet heard all for such is the presumption of Farnham and the inflexible confidence in his owne innocency that to any reverent Divine