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A54177 The new witnesses proved old hereticks, or, Information to the ignorant in which the doctrines of John Reeve and Lodowick Muggleton, which they stile, mysteries never before known, revealed, or heard of from the foundation of the world, are proved to be mostly ancient whimsies, blasphemies and heresies, from the evidence of Scripture, reason and several historians : also an account of some discoourse betwixt L.M. and my self, by which his blasphemous, ignorant and unsavory spirit is clearly and truly manifested, in love to the immortal souls of those few, who are concern'd in the belief of his impostures / by a living true witness to that one eternal way of God, revealed in the light of righteousness W.P. Penn, William, 1644-1718. 1672 (1672) Wing P1326; ESTC R15258 38,470 64

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addition_n the_o reason_n why_o man_n body_n in_o death_n or_o after_o death_n do_v rotsie_n or_o stink_n in_o the_o grave_a and_o come_v to_o dust_n be_v because_o there_o be_v sin_n in_o their_o body_n whilst_o they_o live_v but_o on_o the_o contrary_a if_o man_n have_v no_o sin_n in_o their_o nature_n or_o body_n they_o may_v live_v and_o dye_v and_o natural_o rise_v again_o by_o their_o own_o power_n in_o their_o own_o time_n t.s.t._n p._n 33._o observe_v o_o the_o exceed_v folly_n and_o blindness_n of_o this_o sottish_a man_n why_o shall_v sin_n only_o cause_v the_o body_n to_o rot_v stink_v and_o go_v to_o dust_n do_v not_o the_o scripture_n and_o reeve_n himself_o in_o his_o t.s.t._n pag_n 44._o give_v another_o reason_n namely_o that_o what_o come_v from_o dust_n be_v that_o which_o must_v go_v to_o dust_n beside_o if_o the_o flesh_n of_o beast_n be_v capable_a of_o die_v rot_v and_o go_v to_o dust_n who_o never_o sin_v why_o shall_v not_o man_n have_v die_v and_o go_v to_o 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