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A81789 The Due right of tithes examined: in a letter from a gentleman to his friend, wherein is proved that Jesus Christ did not work as a carpenter, nor did ever command his Apostles or ministers to work for a livelihood: by way of answer to some passages in Mr. Fishers Baby-baptism. By an aged gentleman, who cannot long expect to have the comfort of ministers of their ministery. 1653 (1653) Wing D2441; Thomason E714_16; ESTC R207243 7,019 13

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Ministery and Ministers of all Christendome page 598. saith You plead That the mouth of the Ox must not be muzzled that treadeth out the corn that it is the will of God that such as preach the Gospel should live of the Gospel I answer it is most true there is a power and liberty allowed for such as serve the Church to eat and to drink and to subsist in case they cannot subsist otherwise at the charges of the Church but it is most commendable and thank-worthy in the Ministery to serve the Church and preach the Gospel freely and as far as it is possible not to be burthensome in this kinde at all as namely in case they have any estates of their own or can improve themselves in any such outward employment labour or lawful calling whereby to obtein a competent livelihood And thus the Apostle Paul and the first Ministers of the Gospel did they laboured working with their own hands as oft as they could conveniently and their own hands ministred to their own necessities and they had some honest outward occupation as also Christ himself had and followed too till he was wholly taken up in travel to preach the Truth Therefore Mark. 6.3 Is not this the Carpenter wherein they wrought at all times saving when they were actually employed in some service of preaching to the World writing disputing visiting c. as is plain to him that consults these Scriptures Acts 18.3 4 and 20.33 34 35. 2 Cor. 11.7 and 12.12 13 18. 1 Cor. 4.11 12. 1 Thess 29. 2 Thess 3.6 7 8 9 10 11 12. Thus far Master Fisher To all which I briefly thus say and hope that which is above written will satisfie all men whose understandings are not blinded and whose judgements are free and unprejudicated doth not fully confute what Mr Fisher hath there written and likewise cited by me and I must needs further say that Mr. Fisher did not do well for to leave out in his allegation of Mark 6.3 the Son of Mary Shall I say he was blind did not see it or that he did it wilfully to deceive his simple followers I leave all men to judge as they please for I am perswaded that Mr. Fisher knoweth full vvell being so vvell acquainted with the Scriptures as himself pretendeth to be that those speeches and sayings were onely used by such as could not endure Christ his teaching and doctrine thereby to disgrace both him and it as is plain in Matthew and Mark in the Verses before and after above-alledged And may not I truly say that some formerly and that some men there were and are of latter times even in our memories that have spoken against the faithfullest and painfullest Ministers and Preachers that have boldly reproved sin hoping thereby to draw men to repentance have they not been scoffed at and called one the son of an Oatmeal-man another the son of a Smith another the son of a Carpenter and by other names according to their fathers Trade or occupation thereby to disgrace them and their Ministery now because they were so called did they therefore labour in their fathers calling surely no. Secondly to his proofs out of the Acts how doth it thereby appear that Paul was either by precept or command to labour in some Trade or Occupation to get his living more then the rest of the Apostles or Disciples As for Mr. Fishers proofs out of the Corinth examine his and mine and approve of them which are most agreeing to the minde of the Spirit of God and the practice of Christ Jesus himself and of his Apostles Disciples and Ministers declared and set down in the New Testament And for Mr. Fishers text 1 Thess 2.9 I desire you to compare mine with his taken out of the same Chapter 6 Verse and that out of Chap. 5.12 13. as also that out of 1 Tim. 5.18 by all which places I hope it will cleerly appear that Ministers ought to have maintenance Now concerning Mr. Fishers last proof viz. 2 Thess 3.6 7 8 9 10 11 12 Verses I say that the Apostle there speaketh not of Ministers but of such that professed themselves to be Christians and yet would live idlely upon the Churches charge if you will but duly read and consider the said Verses Lastly I desire all such men as are so opposite against a Ministery or maintenance for Ministers to consider seriously with themselves what judgements the Lord in Scripture did not onely threaten but brought upon those places and persons who have contemned his faithful Ministers and Messengers taking from them their maintenance which was due unto them from the Law and Gospel or ever did those places and persons enjoy peace and quietness from the Lord till they repented and till the Lords worship was first restored and his Ministers and messengers provided for Let these men declare from Scripture if they can and may not such men be termed worse then Pharaoh for he allowed a portion for the Priests of Egypt Gen. 47.22 Neither did the Heathen Monarchs that ever I read of suffer their Priests to labour for their livelihood but allowed maintenance unto them And will Christians professing the glorious Gospel of Jesus Christ labour to deprive his Ministers and Messengers of maintenance forcing them to labour for a livelihood God forbid but I trust the Lord by his Providence hath raised up these men that now are the Supream Power of this Common-weal to perform the Lords will for the setling of a competent maintenance for his Ministers or Messengers to the rejoycing I hope of the hearts of all that truly love and fear the Lord. And that they may so do the good God of heaven and earth make them as so many Zerubbabels and Nehemiahs for the setting up of his worship in purity among us and the upholding of pious able and godly Ministers in the Common-weal over which the Lord hath set them that so not onely we but our posterities may bless and praise the Lord therefore Now leaving what I have written to your self and all others that fear the Lord and whose consciences are unbiassed to judge of what I have written And if it be not according to truth let them not approve of it but if not rather reprove it Farewell From my house the 11th of the sixth Moneth 1653. FINIS