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A88943	Church-government and church-covenant discussed, in an answer of the elders of the severall churches in New-England to two and thirty questions, sent over to them by divers ministers in England, to declare their judgments therein. Together with an apologie of the said elders in New-England for church-covenant, sent over in answer to Master Bernard in the yeare 1639. As also in an answer to nine positions about church-government. And now published for the satisfaction of all who desire resolution in those points.	Mather, Richard, 1596-1669.; Mather, Richard, 1596-1669. Apologie of the churches in New-England for church-covenant.; Peters, Hugh, 1598-1660.; Davenport, John, 1597-1670.	1643 (1643)	Wing M1270; Thomason E106_8; Thomason E106_9; ESTC R18913	104,756	140

when themselves are Alients and Strangers Cyrus Darius and Artaxerxes gave great countenance and incouragement to the Jewes to build the House of God that they might offer sacrifices of sweet savour to the God of Heaven and pray for the life of the King and of his Sonnes Ezra 6. 8 9 10. I● which case good Ezra blesseth the Lord that had put such a thing into the Kings heart to beautifie the House of the God of Heaven Ezra 7. 27. And therefore Kings and all in Authority should be prayed for that we may lead a godly and peaceable life in Godlinesse and honesty 1 Tim. 2. 1 2. Neverthelesse the things that are ordained and commanded of GOD the observing of them in a peaceable way yeilding out reverence to all that are in Authority and praying for them this observing of the Ordinances of God cannot be unlawfull for lack of the Commandement of Man as appeares by the doctrine and pract●ce of the Apostles Act. 4. 19. 5. 29. and the approved practise of Believers in their times if they had neglected the Ordinances of God and namely Church Ordinances till they had had the commandement of Magistrate therein such neglect would have beene their grievous sinne and for ought we know they might have lived and died without them the Magistrates at that time be●ng all either Heathens or Jewes yet enemies and if Church Communion and the exercise of such Ordinances as Christ hath appointed for his Churches was lawfull and needfull and profitable when Magistrates were enemies to the Gospell and bee not so when Magistrates doe professe the Gospell we doe not see but Christians may sometimes be losers by having Christian Magistrates and in worse condition then if they had none but professed E●emies Besides this if Superiors should neglect to provide bodily sustenance for them that are under their charge we doe not thinke that any Mans Conscience would be so scrupulous but hee would thinke it lawfull b●y all good meanes to provide for himself in such case rather then to sit still and say if I perish for hunger it is the sinne of them that have Authority over mee and they must answer for It Neither can we tell how the Conscience of any Christian can excuse himself if he thinks no● the Ordinances of Christ as necessary for the good of his soule as food is necessary for his temporall life or doe not willingly in this spirituall hunger break through stone Walls as the Proverbe i● and runne from Sea to Sea to seeke God in his owne way rather then to perish without spirituall food because others provide not for him And this is our Answer to this eleventh Quere concerning your standing in the Parish Assemblies which Answer of ours and the exhortation therein as we pray the Father of mercies to make effectuall by his blessing for those good ends which wee intend therein so wee cannot in the same but reflect upon our selves and our owne wayes in times past as seeing not a little cause to judge our selves before the Lord as long as wee live for our sinfull ignorance and negligence when wee were in England ●o observe and walke according to those Rules of the Word which now upon occasion given by this Qu. wee doe commend to your selves and other Christians The Lord in mercy pardon our offences and direct your selves and his servants in ●ur deare Native Countrey both in remaining and removing to doe that which is pleasing in his sight Whereas this Qu. in the first clause and last but one compared together speakes of Believers out of the Kingdome of GOD and possibility of salvation we conceive it is a contradiction for those that are true Believers cannot be out of possibility of salva●on but possibly may yea most undoubtedly shall bee saved Joh. 3. 16. and 5. 24. the contrary whereof is to overthrow all the promises of the Gospell and with the Papists and Arminians to establish falling from grace 2. For that saying Extra Ecclesiam non est salus wee conceive it cannot be universally true if it be meant of the visible Church which in the New-Testament is a particular Congregation but onely being taken for the Church invisible or the Vniversall Church which is the whole company of the elect in Heaven in Earth and not yet borne Ioh. 10. 16. and 17. 20. out of which elected Company there is not one that shall be saved nor any of the elect neither but in the way of Regeneration Ioh 3. 3. but as for the Visible we believe the old saying is true there are many Wolves within and many Sheepe without Joh. 10. 16. and therefore it cannot be universally true that out of the Visible Church there is no salvation Inasmuch as all Christs Sheepe shall be saved Ioh. 10. 28. of whom yet notwithstanding there are some not joyned to the Visible Church If the Thiefe that repented on the Crosse was a Gentile as it was possible he was then hee was uncircumcised and then it will trouble a Man to tell of what Visible Church he was and yet there is no doubt but he was saved The like may be said of Iob and of his friends of whose salvation we make no question and yet it is a great question whether they were of any Visible Church or no inasmuch as the Visible Church in those times seemed to be appropriated to the House and posterity of Abraham Isaac and Iacob of which line race it cannot easily be proved that all these men did come nor that they joined themselves in Visible fellowship with that Church The Centurion Mat. 8. 10. and the Woman of Canaan Mat. 15. were both of them believers and saved and yet it doth not appeare that they were members of the Visible Church of the Iews which was the only visible Church of God in those times Men of yeares ought to be believers and so in the state of Salvation afore they be joyned to the Visible Church and therefore there may be salvation out of that Church For it is possible that such an one as being a Believer is fit to bee joyned to the Church m●y di● and depart this life afore hee can bee joyned as that good Emperour Valenti●ian 2. died before hee could bee baptize● And for your selves if you should thinke that Baptisme makes men members of the Visible Church as is intimated in your fourth Question you may not then deny but there may be salvation out of the visible Church unlesse you will say that there is no salvation without Baptisme which we believe is farre from you to imagine 3. We doe hold that so oft and so long as a believer doth not joyne himselfe as a Member to some particular Congregation or other so oft and so long he is without the Church in the Apostles sence 1 Cor. 5. for the Church in the Apostles sence is a particular Congregation for he writeth to and of the Church at Corinth which Church was a

Titles that are given to the Church as first that the Church is said to be married or espoused unto Christ Jer. 2. 2. 3. 14. 2 Cor. 11. 2. From whence the Argument may be formed thus If every Church becomes a Church by being married or espoused unto Christ then a company becomes a Church by way of Covenant But the former is true therefore the latter is true also The Assumption that a Church becomes a Church by being married unto Christ is plaine from the former Scriptures where the Church of Israel and the Church of Corinth in regard of their entring into Church-Estate are said to be espoused and married unto Christ as a loving and chast Virgine to one husband Which spirituall marriage between Christ and his Church is also taught in the type of the marriage between King Salomon and Pharoahs daughter Psal 45. The Consequence of the Proposition is plaine in reason for there is no marriage but by way of Covenant no woman becomes a mans wife but by way of bestowing her selfe in Covenant upon such a man neither doth a man become an husband but by the same means and therefore the Scripture speaking of the violation of marriage calls it a violation of Covenant Prov. 2. 17. Christ hath but one wife or Spouse Cant. 6 9. The Catholique Church indeed is but one viz the whole company of Gods Elect in heaven in earth dead now living and not yet borne But as there is the Church-Catholique which is but one so there are particular and visible Churches which are in number many and therefore the Scripture speakes of Churches 2 Cor. 8. 1. 19. Gal. 1. 2. Of the Churches of the Gentiles Rom. 16. 4. Of seven Churches Rev. 1. 4. Of all Churches 1 Cor. 14. 33. 7. 17. Rev. 2. 23. But if every particular Church be the wife of Christ how many hundred wives should he have 1. If the Church of Israel Jer. 2. 2. the Church of Corinth 2 Cor. 11. 2. The Jewish Church Rev. 19. 7. be the Spouse and wife of Christ there is no reason but others should be the same also especially seeing there is no particular Church but in respect of their Church estate they may decline and goe a whoring from Christ and that shews that they were first espoused to him for no woman can be said to goe a whoring from a man if shee were never married nor espoused to him at all 2. This that seemes an absurditie and were a sinfull practise among men in respect of Christ is a certaine truth and no dishonour unto him at all to have more Spouses then one upon earth many spirituall Spouses Men cannot give themselves wholly and intirely to many as Christ can Every faithfull soule is espoused and married unto Christ and in that respect he hath not onely many hundred but many thousand yea many millions of spirituall Spouses But this spirituall marriage is between Christ and the Church But the Church-Covenant is between the Church and the members and therefore this marriage doth not prove the Church-Covenant 1. In some sort there may be said to be a marriage between the Church and the members viz. in respect of that deare love and affection that ought to be between them and therefore it is said As a young man marrieth a Virgine so shall the children of the Church be married to the Church Isa 62. 5. 2. But properly the marriage is between Christ the Church and so is the Covenant also so farre as therein they give up themselves to Christ as unto an head and Lord as a woman in the Covenant of marriage doth give up her selfe unto her husband And the performance of such duties as the Church and the member owe one unto another is a branch of that marriage-Covenant wherein they are tyed to Christ for Christ himselfe in his Covenant requires not onely that they should give up themselves to him but also that they should performe these duties one unto another And accordingly it is said of the Churches in Macedonia that they gave up themselves first to the Lord and then to us by the will of God 2 Cor. 8. 5. True it is they doe also binde themselves by Covenant one unto another but in that respect the Covenant is properly a brotherly Covenant like that 1 Sam. 20 8. Amos 1. 9. because there the engagement is to one another as brethren fellow-members and fellow-helpers and not as to one head or Lord as it is in respect of Christ and therefore in that respect it is not so properly a marriage-Covenant as it is in respect of Christ though duties to one another are promised in their Covenant with one another and also in their Covenant with Christ In briefe thus They promise unto Christ duties to him and duties to one another according to him and so their Covenant is a marriage-Covenant with Christ They promise also to one another duties to one another and so it is a brotherly Covenant Another Title given to the Church which also proves that a Church is made by Covenant is the Title of a Citie or Citie of God Psal 87. 3. 48 1. 8. 122. 3. Ephes 2. 19. The Argument lyeth thus If a true Church be a Citie of God then a Church becomes a Church by Covenant But every true Church is a Citie of God Ergo. The Assumption is proved by the Scriptures forealledged The Consequence of the Proposition is plaine in reason for every Citie is united by some Covenant among themselves the Citizens are received into jus Civitatis or right of Citie priviledges by some Covenant or Oath And therefore it is so likewise in this Citie of God the Church and men become Citizens of the Church by solemne Covenant The third Argument may be drawne from the meanes of reforming and restoring a Church when it is corrupted which is by entring into Covenant a new with God 2 Chron. 15 10. 29. 10. Neh. 9. 38. 10. 28 29. Jer. 50. 4 5. The reason may be taken thus If a Church decayed is to be restored and reformed by renuing Covenant with God then it was instituted and erected at the first by way of Covenant The reason of which Consequence is because abuses and corruptions are to be reformed by bringing things back to the first Institution Thus Christ reformes the abuses of marriage by bringing them to the first Institution of that Ordinance From the beginning it was not so Mat. 19 8. And thus Paul reformeth the Abuses of the Lords Supper by telling them what was the first Institution thereof 1 Cor. 11. 23 c. And thus the Lord Jesus calling on the declining Church of Ephesus for reformation bids her remember from whence shee is fallen and repent and doe her first workes Rev. 2. 5. Now the Assumption is plaine from the Texts above alledged that at the reforming of a Church there is to be a

particular Congregation 1 Cor. 5 4 14. 23. 11. 17. 20. and having power of judgeing her own Members as all visible Churches have yet had no power of Judgeing any but such as were within that particular Congregation as all them they had power to judge whether they were believers in Christ or no. Mr. B●i●● as we said before is very large and cleare in proving this Position that the Churches instituted by Christ and the Apostles were only such as might meet in one Congregation ordinarily and answers many objections to the contrary Di●ces tryal Q. 1. 4. For the Question it selfe we hold that every believer if possibly he can is alwayes bound to joyne himselfe as a Member to some particular Congregation or other and yet not because else he is a Heathen and Publican or out of possibilitie of salvation as this Question suggests but upon other grounds 1. Because of the Commandment of God Cant. 1. 8. Math. 6. 10. 33. 2. Because willingly not to doe this is a secret disparagement to the wisdome of God that hath ordained Churches with giving power and privilegdes therunto Mat. 18. 17. 1 Cor. 5. 4. and promises of his gracions presence to be with them and amongst them Mat. 18. 20. Rev. 2. 1. Exod. 20. 24. Now to what end were all these if believers should live and no● joyne themselves to some Church These priviledges and promises would in such case be all in vain and the mercy of God offered therin unthankfully neglected Thirdly voluntarily abstaining from joyning to the Church is noted and condemned as a sinne Heb. 10. 25. and a signe of fearefull unbelievers Act. 5. 13. of the rest durst no man joyne unto them Fourthly good men in Scripture have been forward in practise this way Isay 2. 2 3. Zach. 8. 23. Act. 2. 41 42. and 9. 26. and have mourned with much bitternesse when they have been deprived of Liberty so to doe Isay 56. 3. and Ps 42. and 63. and 84. Fiftly this joyning is a part of that Order and orderly walking which is required of believers Col. 2. 5. 1 Cor. 14. 40. Sixtly If Believers doe neglect this joyning it is not onely a wrong to themselves but also a great unkindnesse to God for if one believer may doe this why not another and if two why not three foure c. and if all believers should doe thus God should have no visible Churches upon Earth unles he will acknowledge the Assemblies to be of unbelievers Churches foras stones in the Mountains are not an house untill they be joyned together though they be digged up out of the Quarry and squared hewn and hereby are made fit to be joyned together and so to become an house so believers are not a Church till they be joyned in holy Covenant in some Congregation though the worke of Grace and Faith in their soules have made them fit and meete to be a Church of God which is the House of the living God or as the humane soule and body are not a man unlesse they be united so Christian or believers are not a visible Church without visible union into some particular Congregation Mr. Perkins having said that forth of the militant Church there are no meanes of salvation no preaching of Gods word no invocation of Gods Name no Sacraments and therefore no Salvation concludes with these words For this cause every man must be admonished evermore to joyn himselfe to some particular Church being a sound Member of the Catholick Church Expos of Creed in the Article of the Church and Doctor Ames gives 6. Reasons why every Christian should ioyne himselfe to some particular Church or other Cas Cons● L. 4. c. 24. Q. 1. and in another place he hath these words Illi igitur qui occasion●● habent adjungendi sese Ecclesiae ●am negligunt gravissimè peccant non tantum in Deum ratione Institutionis sed etiam in suas proprias animas ratione benedictionis adjunctae etsi obstinatè persistant in ipsa incu●ia quicquid alias profitentur vix possunt haberi pro fidelibus Regnum Dei verè quaerentibus Medul Theol. l. 1. c. 32. Sect. 28. First whereas this 13th Question speakes of private and illiterate persons into a Church Body combined wee looke at this as an incongruous expression if not a contradiction For a company so combined as to make a Church are not fitly called private though they be illiterate in respect of humane learning in as much as a Church or a Church-body especially in times and places of peace and liberty is a publike Congregation and society and the acts of Communion which they have among themselves such as is the election and deposing of Ministers whereof the Question makes mention are not private acts but publike or people-like Neither are literate or learned men therefore publike because they are indued with humane learning unlesse withall they be called to publike office or imployment in Church or Common-wealth and therefore if illiterate be an exegesis of private we conceive that exegesis is not good Secondly whereas this Question asketh Whether it be lawfull and convenient that such a company should themselvs ordinarily examine elect ordain and depose their owne Ministers if ordinarily be as much as frequently we answer three things First that if one Church doe frequently come to such actions that is to take in and put out the same men this is not without suspition of much levity and rashnesse in the people or unfaithfulnesse or unworthy walking in the Ministers or both and therefore ordinar●ly that is frequent taking in and putting out againe in this manner is as much as may be to be avoided Secondly when such things doe often and frequently fall out it is doubtlesse a Judgement of God upon such a people to have so many changes in their Ministers as was that of which it was said three shepheards have I cut off in one moneth Zach. 11. 8. that People should be so oft as sheep having no Shepheard for the transgression of a land many are the Princes thereof Pro. 28. 2. So in like sort for the transgressions of a Church many are the Ministers thereof we meane when they have many Ministers by the comming in and going out of the same men or the removing of some and the taking in of others in their roome for otherwise it is a blessing of God when a Church is furnished with variety of Ministers at the same time Acts 13. 1. 21. 18. Phil. 1. 1. Thirdly yet this word ordinarily doth seeme to imply that in your judgement sometimes this may be lawfull and convenient to be done Now upon the same ground on which it may be done sometimes upon the same it may be done at other times if there be just occasion Thirdly for the assistance of the Ministers of other Churches of which this Question maketh mention if this be onely by way of counsell or advice we know nothing unlawfull or

inconvenient in such assistance because Churches are as Sisters one to another Cant. 8. 8. And therefore it is our practice in ordination of Ministers as also in removall of them to have such assistance But for authority and power we know none that Ministers have properly so called in any Congregation or Church save that one over which the Holy Ghost hath made them overseers and therefore we thinke it not lawfull nor convenient when a Church is to ordaine Officers to call in such assistance viz. by way of authority or power of the Ministers of other Churches Fourthly we judge it lawfull and convenient that every Church of Christ what ever their humane learning be whether much or lesse should elect and choose their Ministers God doth not for ought we know give this power of calling their owne Ministers unto such Churches as have many learned men in them and deny it unto others but gives it indifferently to every Church as they are a Church and so to one Church as much as to another If we thought you doubted whether the power of calling Ministers were given by Christ unto the Church we might here alledge many Reasons for it but this being the constant judgement of the eminent Lights of this age and the former who have been studious of Reformation wee must hope till we hear to the contrary that your selves do not differ from them in this point As for us those grounds and reasons from the holy Scripture which are alledged by 1 Calvin 2 Zanchius 3 Mr Cartwright 4 Dr Ames and 5 others doe satisfie us in this particular 1 Institut 4. 3. 14. 15. 2 De redemp in 4. praecep p. 1015. 1016. c. who alledgeth Bucer and Musculus 3 1. Reply p. 44. c. 4 M●dul Theol. l. 1. c. 21. Sect. 30 cas consc lib. 4. c. 25. Q. 5. 5 Demonist of disc c. 4. Fifthly as for that objection which seemes to be implyed in the word illiterate that it should not be lawfull or convenient for a body to choose their owne Ministers because they are illiterate or want men of humane learning among them wee further answere thereto first that among us when a company are to be combined into a Church-body as you speake there is usually one or other among them who doe not want all humane learning but have been trained up in Universities and usually have been Ministers and Preachers of the Word in our native Countrey and approved by the godly there and are here by the company that doe so combine intended to be chosen afterwards for Pastors or Teachers and accordingly after the Church is gathered are in due time elected and ordained into their places Secondly but yet if there were none such among them at their first combining and uniting we doe not see how this could hinder them of liberty to choose Ministers to themselves afterward when God shall send any to them that may be fit for the worke because this is a liberty that Christ hath purchased for them by his precious bloud and they that are fit matter to bee combined into a Church-body are not so illiterate but they have learned the Doctrine of the holy Scripture in the fundamentall points thereof they have learned to know the Lord and their owne hearts they have learned Christ the need they have of him and of all the meanes of enjoying him the worth that is in him and the happinesse laid up for them in him and therefore they may not be reproached as illiterate or unworthy to choose their owne Ministers nay they have the best learning without which all other learning is but madnesse and folly and science falsly so called 1 Tim. 6. 20. and indeed of none account with God nor available for direction and guidance in the affaires of the house of God such as is this election of Ministers nor for the salvation of the soule in another world 1 Cor. 1. 19. 20. 2. 14 Job 32. 8. 9. though it may be and is very usefull therewith Thirdly you know and we doubt not doe abhorre as much as wee the spirit of those men that are proud of their owne learning and vilified Believers in Christ for want thereof saying Doe any of the Rulers or of the Pharisees believe in him but this people which know not the Law are cursed John 7. 47. 48. 49. First a company of fourty persons or twenty or lesse is not such a small company but they may be a Church properly and truely so called if there be nothing against them but this that such a number may seeme not sufficient We do not finde that God doth any where say they must be above fourty or else they cannot be a Church and therefore no mortall man can justly say it Nay rather that speech of Christ of two or three gathered together in his name Matth. 18. 20. doth plainly imply that if there be a greater number then two or three whom they being not satisfied in the answere of an offendor may appeale unto and in so doing tell the Church such a small number may be a Church and may have the blessing of his presence to be among them Besides the time hath been in the dayes of Adam and Noah when there was not fourty persons in the world and yet Adams family in his time and Noah● in his was in those dayes a Church if there was any Church on earth And if Christ and his twelve Disciples were the first Christian Church it is too much for any man to say that twenty or fourty is such a small company that they cannot be a Church Secondly for the matter of Government there is a difference between ability and right In respect of the former in as much as some cases are more difficult then others and some Churches of lesse spirituall abilities then others and God doth not afford assistance and direction at some times so much as at others therefore in such cases it is requisite that Churches should seeke for light and counsell and advice from other Churches as the Church at Antioch did send unto the Church at Ierusalem in a Question which could not bee determined among themselves Act. 15. 2. But this is not because they have no right but when they are not able Thirdly as for right let it be considered how the Church at Antioch did long endevour to have ended that matter amongst themselves before they determined to send to Ierusalem vers 2. which shewes that they had power or right to have transacted that businesse among themselves if ability had served or otherwise that endevour had been sinfull as being a presuming to doe that whereunto they had no right We conceive then that every Church properly so called though they be not above fourty or twenty persons or ten or the least number that you mention have right and power from Christ to transact all their owne Ecclesiasticall businesses among themselves if so be they be able and

carry matters justly and according to the Rules of the Word The power of the Keyes Matth. 16. 19. among other things noteth Ministeriall or delegated power of Government and this power is committed by Christ unto the Church as may appeare if wee consider first to whom Christ directed his Speech in that place of Scripture not to Peter alone but to all the Disciples also for to them all the Question was propounded by Christ vers 15. And ●eter answered in all their names Secondly that he and they were not then looked upon as Apostles or generall officers of all Churches for that Commission was not yet given them but as Disciples and Beleevers believing with the heart and confessing with the mouth Jesus Christ the rocke upon whom the Church is built wherein as they did represent all Believers so in Peter and the rest the Keyes are committed to all Believers that shall joine together in the same confession according to the order and ordinance of Christ And therefore afterward this power of Government is expresly given to the Church Matth. 18. 17. according hereunto in that description of the visible Church as it is instituted by Christ in the new Testament Rev. 4. The members of the Church are seene by John in a vision sitting on thrones cloathed with white rayment having on their heads Crownes of Gold vers 14. Now Thrones and Crownes are ensignes of authority and power to note unto us that authority and governing power which is committed by Christ unto the Church Doctor Fulke hath this saying The Keyes of the Kingdome of Heaven whatsoever they are be committed to the whole Church and not to one person onely as Cyprian Augustine Chrysostome Jerome and all the ancient Doctors agreeably to the Scriptures doe confesse against the Popes pardons chap. 3. P. 381. And elsewhere he saith The authority of Excommunication pertaineth to the whole Church although the judgement and execution thereof is to be referred to the Governours of the Church which exercise that authority as in the name of Christ so in the name of the who●e Church whereof they are appointed Governours to avoid confusion against the Rhemists on 1 Cor. 5. Sect. 3. And Doctor Whitaker hath these words Hoc est quod nos dicimus Petrum gessisse personam omnium Apostolorum quare hanc promissionem non uni Petro sed toti Ecclesiae factam esse totam Ecclesiam in illo claves accepisse De pontif Roman Q. 2. c. 4. Sect. 17. And in that Booke hee is pregnant and plaine in this that by the Keyes is meant all Ecclesiasticall power and Jurisdiction and that these Keyes are given in Peter to the whole Church The same is also taught by Master Parker Polit. Eccles l. 3. c. 1. 2. 3. 4. 5 6. where he proves by many Arguments that every visible Church which hee acknowledgeth to be no other but a particular congregation hath the power of all Ecclesiasticall Government and Jurisdiction commited to it by Christ Jesus and answereth many Objections to the contrary And page 2 of that third Book making mention of foure Opinions concerning those words of the Keyes and power of binding and loosing Matth. 16. 19. the first of them that understand the Pope onely to be meant thereby as Peters successour the second of them that understand it of the Diocesan Bishop The third of them that understand those words as meant of the Ministers but the Ministers alone The fourth of them that understand Peter to represent the Church in that place and therefore that that promise is made unto the Church Of these he refuseth the three first as unsound and maintaines the fourth as onely agreeing to the truth And Master Baine saith Every Church by Christs institution hath power of Government Dioces Tryall Quest 1. p. 8. And hee tells us page 11. what hee meant by Church The word Church saith he wee understand here not figuratively tataken Metonymically for the place Syn●cdochecally for Ministers administring ordinances but properly for a body politicke standing of People to be taught and governed and of Teachers and Governours So that in his judgement every Church properly so called hath power of Government within it selfe and by these words of his it may also be concluded that all power of Government is not in the Elders alone for the power of Government by Church institution is in every Church properly so called But Ministers are not a Church in propriety of speech but onely figuratively by a synecdoche And therefore all power of Government is not in the Ministers alone but a Church properly so called is the Body politique consisting of people and Ministers But of this more may bee said in the next Question Fourthly for the matters of Independency whereof this Question also makes mention We doe confesse the Church is not so independent but that it ought to dep●nd on Christ both for direction from the rules of his holy Word Ioh. 10. 27. Act. 3. 23. and for the assistance of his holy Spirit to discerne those rules and to walke according to them when they shall be discerned Ioh. ●5 5. and 16. 13. but for dependency upon men or other Churches or other subordination unto them in regard of Church Government or power Wee know not of any such appointed by Christ in his Word Our Saviours words are plaine If a man heare not the Chu●ch let him beto thee as an Heathen or Publican And his promise unto his Church is plaine also that whatsoever they shall binde on earth shall be bound in Heaven c. Mat. 18. 17. c. And the Apostle bids the Church deliver the impenitent sinner unto Satan 1 Cor. 5. 4. 5 6. Now when the man upon the Churches censure comes to be in case as an Heathen or Publican yea becomes bound in Heaven as well as bound in earth and also delivered unto Satan this seems to us to be such a firme ratification of the Churches censure as leaves no roome for any other Ecclesiasticall power on earth to reverse or disanull the same and so takes away that kinde of dependency and subordination of Churches Nos plane dicimus ●cclesias initiò regi solitas esse à suis pastoribus sic quidem ut nullis essent externis aut Ecclesi●s aut Episcopis subditae non Colossensis Ephaesi●ae non Philippensis Thessaloniensi non h● Romanae non Romanae cuiquam se● paris omnes inter se juris essent id est sui omnes juris et mancipij Whitak de Pontif. Roman Question 1. Chapter 1. Section 3. That is in summe The Churches were not dependent and subordinate to others but all of them absolutely free and independent Wee affirme saith Master Baine that all Churches were singular Congregations equall in dependent each of other in regard of subjection Diocesse tryall Q 1. pag. 13. The twentieth Chapter of Mr. Parker his third Booke of Eccles Politie hath this Title De summitate Ecclesiae particularis And

must have in it both matter and forme and as the matter by Gods appointment are visible Saints or visible beleevers Ephes 1. 1. 1 Cor. 1. 2. and in the New Testament onely so many as may meete together in one Congregation So the forme is a uniting or combining or knitting of those Saints together into one visible body by the band of this holy Covenant Some union or band there must be amongst them whereby they come to stand in a new relation to God and one towards another other then they were in before or els they are not yet a Church though they be fit materialls for a Church even as soule and body are not a man unlesse they be united nor stones and timber an house till they be compacted and conjoyned Now that a company becomes a Church by joyning in Covenant may be made good sundry wayes first By plaine Texts of Scripture as from Deut. 29. 1 10 11 12 13. Yee stand this day all you before the Lord your God your Captaines of your Tribes your Elders your Officers with all the men of Israel ver 10. That thou shouldest enter into Covenant with the Lord thy God ver 12. and he may establish thee for a people unto himselfe ver 13. So that here is plain●y shewed that here was a company ver 10. and this company were to be established to be a people unto the Lord that is to say a Church ver 13. And this is done by the peoples entring into solemne Covenant with God ver 12. And therefore a company of people doe become a Church by entring into Covenant with God This Covenant was not like our Church-Covenants for it was of all the Nation together whereas the Church-Covenant with us is of some select persons leaving out others 1. This Objection concerns the matter of a Church but the Covenant is not the materiall cause of a Church but the formall cause thereof and for this the Text is plaine and expresse that by entring into Covenant with God a people come to be the Lords people that is to say his Church 2. If it was of all the people together the reason was because that Church was a nationall Church now if a nationall Church becomes a Church by entring into solemne Covenant with God then a Congregationall Church becomes a Church by the same means for there is no difference between them in this point 3. Though it was of all the people we may not say it proves that when we looke at the materiall cause of a Church there may be a promiscuous taking in of all Commers without distinction or separation of the precious from the vile for first when God took in this Nation to be his people he separated them from all the Nations of the earth besides so that there was a distinction and separation of some from others Secondly this generation was generally a generation of beleevers for it was they that were to enter into the land within a while after for they were fortie yeares in the Wildernesse this Covenant was made in the last moneth save one of the last of those fortie yeares Deut. 1. 3. And their carkasses fell not in the Wildernesse through unbeliefe as their Fathers did Num 14. Heb. 3. but entred by faith and when they were entred subdued Kingdomes by their faith Heb. 11. 33. and served the Lord all the dayes of Joshua and of the Elders that out lived Joshua Josh 24 31. As for that which is said of them ver 4 5. of this Chap. that the Lord had not given them eyes to see c. that proves not that they were wholly hardned in a carnall estate but onely that they were dull and slow of heart to consider of sundry dispensations of God towards them for as much is said of the disciples of Christ Mar. 8. 17 18. when doubtlesse they were not meere carnall or naturall persons This people Deut. 29. could not become the Lords people by entring into solemne Covenant with God for they were the Lords Church and people already before this 1. If they were yet that was by entring into solemne Covenant with God on Mount Sinai when the Lord had brought them up out of the Land of Aegypt for then they entred into solemne Covenant with God and God with them and so they bec●me the Lords peculiar people Exod. 19 4 5 6 8. c. If they were his people before that yet that also was by Covenant made with them in the loynes of Abraham when God tooke him and his seede to be his Church and people yet separating Ishmael from Isaac and Es●● from Jacob that the inheritance of the Covenant of God and of being the Church of God might rest in the house of Jacob. 2. Yet it was not without great reason that the Lord should now establish them by solemne Covenant to be a people to himselfe because the Nation had been much degenerated from the spirit and wayes of Abraham in Aegypt and had broken that Covenant by their Idolatries there Ezek. 20. 7 8. And the Covenant made in Sinai or Hore● when they were come out of Aegypt they had also broken by their Idolatries in the Wildernesse Ezek 20. 13 16. for which causes and the like the Lord consumed that generation that they never entred into the Land Josh 5. 4 6. And therefore now when their posteritie and children were ready to enter in the Lord entred into Covenant with them and thereby established them to be his people their Fathers being cut off for breaking the Covenant But still it was by Covenant that both Fathers first and children afterward became a Church and people unto God and when this generation were entred into the Land their Covenant made before between God and them was confirmed by Circumcision Josh 5. 3. 7. they being not Circumcised before But this Covenant was of the whole Church with God and therefore not like our Church-Covenants which are between the Church and the members concerning watchfulnesse over one another and the like Our Church-Covenants are with the Lord himselfe as was shewed before in the description thereof For watchfulnesse and duties of edification one towards another are but branches of the Lords Covenant being duties commanded by the Law and so it was with that people of Israel who when they promised and Covenanted to walke in all the wayes of God in all his statutes and commandements and judgements they promised these duties of love and watchfulnesse and edification one towards another because these were duties commanded and required of God Lev. 19 17. Deut. 29 8. the neglect whereof in the matter of Achan was the sinne of all the Congregation and brought judgement upon them all Josh 7. 11 12. Yea by this Covenant they were bound to duties towards them that were not then present but children afterward to be borne and proselytes that afterward should be added to them ver 14 15. Like as