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A42386 A brief examination of the present Roman Catholick faith contained in Pope Pius his new creed, by the Scriptures, antient fathers and their own modern writers, in answer to a letter desiring satisfaction concerning the visibility of the protestant church and religion in all ages, especially before Luther's time. Gardiner, Samuel, 1619 or 20-1686. 1689 (1689) Wing G244; ESTC R29489 119,057 129

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we_o any_o thing_n de_fw-fr prescript_n c._n 8._o arnobius_n lib._n 3._o contra_fw-la gent._n the_o first_o god_n be_v enough_o to_o we_o in_o he_o we_o worship_v all_o that_o be_v to_o be_v worship_v lactantius_n agree_v with_o he_o 17._o invocatio_fw-la supponit_fw-la omnipraesentiam_fw-la lib._n 6._o p._n 183._o instit_fw-la lib._n 2._o cap._n 16._o 17._o for_o he_o advise_v all_o man_n to_o look_v up_o and_o adore_v nothing_o worship_v nothing_o but_o the_o majesty_n of_o god_n our_o father_n and_o maker_n eusebius_n caesar_n demonstr_n lib._n 1._o c._n 5._o &_o lib._n 3._o c._n 3._o show_v that_o the_o jewish_a church_n direct_v their_o adoration_n to_o god_n only_o and_o for_o christian_n he_o affirm_v lib._n 4._o c._n 6._o that_o they_o pray_v to_o god_n only_o in_o the_o name_n of_o christ_n not_o of_o saint_n or_o angel_n as_o their_o mediator_n for_o see_v say_v he_o it_o be_v peculiar_a to_o christ_n as_o the_o great_a high_a priest_n to_o frame_v for_o we_o spiritual_a sacrifice_n in_o praise_n and_o thanksgiving_n and_o because_o as_o a_o priest_n he_o have_v offer_v up_o himself_o a_o perfect_a sacrifice_n to_o god_n for_o we_o 7._o v._o origen_n supra_fw-la psalm_n 20._o si_fw-mi cultus_fw-la tantum_fw-la dicatur_fw-la non_fw-la soli_fw-la deo_fw-la debetur_fw-la sed_fw-la religio_fw-la etc._n etc._n aug._n de_fw-fr civit._fw-la dei_fw-la l._n 10._o c._n 1._o de_fw-fr praep._n lib._n 12._o c._n 7._o hence_o we_o say_v to_o he_o let_v he_o remember_v all_o thy_o sacrifice_n etc._n etc._n here_o we_o see_v propitiation_n be_v the_o ground_n of_o intercession_n as_o for_o angel_n he_o grant_v to_o they_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d honour_n according_a to_o the_o dignity_n of_o their_o excellent_a nature_n so_o do_v we_o but_o reserve_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d all_o religious_a honour_n or_o worship_n to_o god_n only_o this_o be_v the_o very_a doctrine_n of_o protestant_n the_o due_a honour_n of_o saint_n he_o explain_v thus_o we_o go_v to_o their_o sepulcher_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d at_o they_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d to_o make_v prayer_n not_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d ipsis_fw-la to_o they_o as_o trapezuntius_fw-la false_o if_o not_o perfidious_o translate_v it_o but_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d at_o they_o which_o be_v another_o thing_n but_o let_v we_o hear_v the_o testimony_n of_o athanasius_n the_o true_o great_a who_o every_o where_o in_o his_o oration_n against_o the_o arian_n arian_n orat._n tertia_fw-la in_o arian_n prove_v as_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o father_n unanimous_o do_v christ_n to_o be_v true_a god_n by_o this_o argument_n especial_o because_o he_o be_v pray_v to_o dei_fw-la v._o novatian_n de_fw-fr trinit_fw-la c._n 14._o si_fw-mi homo_fw-la tantummodo_fw-la christus_fw-la cur_n in_o orationibus_fw-la invocaeur_fw-fr etc._n etc._n quomodo_fw-la adest_fw-la ubique_fw-la invocatus_fw-la cum_fw-la haec_fw-la hominis_fw-la natura_fw-la non_fw-la sit_fw-la sed_fw-la dei_fw-la which_o be_v of_o no_o force_n if_o any_o creature_n saint_n or_o angel_n may_v be_v in_o any_o sense_n invocate_v particular_o in_o his_o four_o oration_n against_o the_o arian_n from_o that_o prayer_n of_o saint_n paul_n god_n the_o father_n of_o our_o lord_n jesus_n christ_n direct_v our_o way_n unto_o you_o he_o infer_v christ_n to_o be_v consubstantial_a with_o the_o father_n for_o no_o man_n be_v a_o true_a catholic_n which_o appear_v hereby_o a_o papist_n be_v not_o will_v pray_v to_o receive_v any_o thing_n of_o god_n and_o angel_n or_o any_o creature_n neither_o say_v he_o have_v any_o christian_n as_o yet_o than_o invocation_n of_o saint_n or_o angel_n be_v unknown_a and_o unpractised_a among_o all_o true_a christian_n use_v this_o form_n of_o prayer_n or_o word_n god_n and_o a_o angel_n we_o may_v add_v saint_n grant_v it_o you_o endor_n laus_fw-la dec_n virginique_fw-la mariae_fw-la in_o fine_a tom_n 2._o &_o 3_o bellarm._n see_v dr._n brevint'_v saul_n and_o samuel_n at_o endor_n whether_o papist_n use_v not_o such_o form_n of_o word_n in_o their_o prayer_n be_v too_o notorious_a to_o be_v prove_v to_o any_o who_o be_v acquaint_v with_o their_o book_n of_o devotion_n then_o take_v notice_n of_o one_o of_o their_o chief_a argument_n now_o press_v by_o our_o new_a roman_a catholic_n for_o proof_n of_o their_o invocation_n of_o angel_n to_o wit_n the_o word_n of_o die_a jacob_n the_o angel_n that_o deliver_v i_o out_o of_o all_o my_o distress_n bless_v the_o lad_n athanasius_n as_o the_o other_o father_n unanimous_o expound_v they_o not_o of_o any_o create_a angel_n but_o of_o the_o son_n of_o god_n who_o be_v god_n and_o the_o angel_n of_o the_o covenant_n who_o jacob_n see_v face_n to_o face_n at_o peniel_n and_o term_v god._n arian_n so_o euseb_n hist_o lib._n 1._o cap._n 2._o ambrose_n in_o psalm_n 43._o novatian_n de_fw-fr trinit_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d aug._n he_o agnoscunt_fw-la se_fw-la esse_fw-la creaturas_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d athanas_n orat._n 3._o in_o arian_n he_o add_v david_n pray_v to_o none_o for_o deliverance_n but_o to_o god_n to_o thou_o o_o lord_n have_v i_o cry_v etc._n etc._n and_o conclude_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d it_o be_v evident_a the_o patriarch_n jacob_n join_v none_o in_o his_o prayer_n to_o god_n but_o the_o word_n who_o he_o therefore_o call_v the_o angel_n because_o he_o alone_o reveal_v the_o father_n do_v not_o they_o then_o willing_o abuse_v themselves_o and_o other_o who_o take_v athanasius_n for_o a_o roman_n catholic_n or_o invocation_n of_o angel_n for_o a_o article_n of_o the_o ancient_a catholic_n faith_n hold_v by_o all_o sound_a christian_n in_o all_o age_n or_o that_o the_o angel_n appear_v to_o the_o old_a patriarch_n be_v a_o create_a angel_n i_o will_v add_v his_o contemporary_a saint_n hilary_n who_o although_o he_o grant_v which_o protestant_n deny_v not_o that_o the_o angel_n pray_v for_o the_o church_n militant_a here_o on_o earth_n yet_o he_o no_o where_n allow_v invocation_n of_o they_o but_o on_o psalm_n 29_o and_o 124._o he_o advise_v all_o christian_n to_o pray_v to_o god_n in_o regard_n he_o be_v omnipresent_v in_o all_o place_n ready_a to_o help_v which_o be_v not_o true_a of_o saint_n or_o angel_n in_o like_a manner_n on_o psalm_n 140._o he_o say_v 106._o in_o maledicto_fw-la est_fw-la religio_fw-la creaturae_fw-la hil._n de_fw-fr trinit_fw-la l._n 8._o p._n 106._o magnificentiae_fw-la dei_fw-la est_fw-la orari_fw-la it_o pertain_v to_o the_o magnificence_n or_o prerogative_n of_o god_n to_o be_v pray_v unto_o hitherto_o the_o coast_n be_v clear_a and_o we_o have_v the_o unanimous_a consent_n of_o the_o father_n for_o about_o 340_o year_n after_o christ_n against_o invocation_n of_o saint_n angel_n or_o any_o creature_n whence_o we_o undoubted_o conclude_v that_o it_o be_v though_o a_o part_n of_o the_o present_a roman_a yet_o not_o of_o the_o true_a ancient_a and_o catholic_n faith_n believe_v semper_fw-la ubique_fw-la &_o apud_fw-la omnes_fw-la always_o in_o all_o place_n by_o all_o sound_a christian_n for_o such_o doctrine_n as_o vincentius_n lyrinensis_n right_o note_n be_v only_o true_o catholic_n that_o be_v universal_a as_o the_o name_n itself_o catholic_n signify_v to_o proceed_v basil_n the_o great_a hom._n 3._o in_o hexaemeron_n all_o honour_n worship_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v due_a to_o god_n only_o in_o psalm_n 7._o he_o say_v our_o hope_n be_v to_o be_v place_v in_o god_n only_o in_o psal_n 18._o that_o if_o any_o man_n worship_v the_o creature_n beside_o though_o with_o the_o creator_n he_o give_v not_o glory_n to_o god_n but_o the_o creature_n and_o in_o psalm_n 45._o instead_o of_o saint_n and_o angel_n he_o tell_v we_o that_o in_o all_o our_o necessity_n god_n be_v our_o only_a refuge_n in_o his_o funeral_n oration_n on_o gordius_n he_o acquaint_v we_o with_o the_o true_a end_n of_o those_o commendatory_a or_o commemoratory_n solemnity_n observe_v on_o the_o natalitia_fw-la or_o festival_n of_o the_o martyr_n to_o wit_n to_o glorify_v god_n and_o to_o stir_v up_o the_o people_n to_o imitation_n of_o their_o virtue_n but_o no_o mention_n find_v we_o there_o of_o pray_v to_o they_o i_o be_o not_o ignorant_a that_o out_o of_o basil_n nazianzen_n gregory_n nyssen_n etc._n etc._n their_o funeral_n oration_n some_o rhetorical_a apostrophe_n to_o and_o compellation_n of_o the_o saint_n decease_v be_v urge_v for_o invocation_n of_o saint_n by_o bellarmine_n and_o other_o to_o which_o i_o answer_v first_o that_o in_o the_o most_o primitive_a and_o ancient_a father_n we_o as_o we_o have_v see_v find_v they_o not_o from_o the_o beginning_n it_o be_v not_o so_o second_o that_o rhetorical_a flourish_n of_o eloquence_n be_v no_o safe_a and_o sure_a ground_n to_o build_v a_o article_n of_o faith_n upon_o as_o theodoret_n grant_v non_fw-la ego_fw-la dogmatum_fw-la regulam_fw-la ea_fw-la duco_n 3_o dial._n 3_o quae_fw-la in_o ecclesia_fw-la