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A14450 A learned and excellent treatise containing all the principall grounds of Christian religion Set downe by way of conference in a most plaine and familiar manner. Written first in French by maister Mathew Virell, after translated into Latine: and now turned into English for the vse of our country-men.; Religion chrestienne declarée par dialogue. English Virel, Matthieu.; Egerton, Stephen, 1555?-1621? 1594 (1594) STC 24768; ESTC S119631 209,162 292

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be made fit to receiue Christ and apply him with all his gifts vnto our selues The fourth part of the Apostles Creede which is concerning the Church Theoph. We haue expounded three partes of the Creed it remaineth that we come to the fourth which is of the Church Now there come two things to my minde whereunto I would haue thee to answer First 1 What the Church is and 2 Why thou saidest that by the working of the holy Ghost we are ioyned with it Mat. What the Church is The word Church signifieth a companie in this place it is taken for the companie of the faithfull chosen of God But although the Church be onely one which is the spouse and the misticall body of Christ yet it is wont to be considered in two respectes 1 As it is inuisible And 2 As it is visible Theoph. Of the inuisible Church What doest thou vnderstand by the name of the inuisible Church Mat. All the elect which may be deuided into three sortes 1 The first of them which already be receiued into heauen who for that cause are called the Triumphant Church because they haue ouercome all temptations and troubles they do enioy the heauenly glorie 2 The secōd is of thē which do yet liue in the earth 3 The third of them that are yet vnborne Now these three parts in that last day shall be gathered together into one body and then shall be a Church all together triumphant and glorious Theoph. Which is the visible Church Mat. Of the visible Church The companie of the faithfull gathered together in the name of Christ to be instructed and confirmed in his faith by the sincere preaching of the word as also by the vse of the Sacraments which are two most certaine marks wherwith God would marke her out and as it were set her forth to be seene that she might be knowne of all her children and they might be gathered vnto her Now this is that which is called the militāt Church because continually it warreth with the deuill the flesh and the world Theoph. Why will God haue all his children ioyne themselues to the visible Church Matth. That he may be worshipped of vs which is when we do consent together in calling vpon him and that he as a good house-holder may feede vs with his word the spirituall foode wherewith we may be dayly strengthened vntill he bring vs to the celestiall inheritance Theoph. What is the vse of this article Mat. It shall most easily be perceiued of thee if thou do but marke the testimonies of prayse and commendation wherewith Paule decketh the Church which indeede are answerable to diuers places of the Prophets Now they be three and those most excellent For he termeth her 1 The house of God 2 The pillar of truth 3 The mother of all the faithfull Theoph. We are to examine the reason of these titles giuen vnto her And first of all why doest thou call it the house of God Mat. That we may vnderstand that God dwelleth in his Church doth defend it and guide it by his holy spirite Euen as Christ himselfe sayth Where two or there be met together in my name there am I in the Mat. 18. 19 middest of them Theoph. Why is it called the pillar of truth Mat. Because by the ministerie thereof God preserueth and keepeth his truth in the world Theoph. What is that truth Mat. Christ himselfe when as he is acknowledged to be not onely verie God and verie man in one person but also a Sauiour Redeemer which is the most certaine truth and most profitable to the beleeuers for by it they attaine eternall life Which Christ himselfe affirmeth in these words I am the way the truth Iohn 14. 6. and the life Theoph. Therefore it followeth that this Church which we beleeue forasmuch as it is the pillar of truth cannot erre Mat. Indeed in those points which appertaine to the person and office of Christ it cannot erre but in some other parts of doctrine it may erre which falleth out not seldome Theoph. Why may it not erre in the things which cōcerne Christ as well as in others Mat. Because by the testimonie of Paule Christ is the only foundation of the Church which being takē 1. Cor. 3. 11. away it can no more stand then an house without a foundation Theoph. What if the Church erred in those things Mat. It should then not be a Church but rather the synagogue of Sathan seeing that it had ouerthrowne or puld downe Christ it owne true foundation Theoph. Of the foundatiō of the Church But Christ seemeth to haue appointed an other foundation of the Church beside himself namely Peter the Apostle to whom he sayd thou art Peter and vpon this rocke will I build my Church Mat. The name of rocke no way can or ought to be referred vnto Peter himselfe although the words seeme to beare it For Paule affirmeth that no other 1. Cor. 3. 11. foundation can be laid by any besides that that is layd which is Iesus Christ Moreouer how absurd a thing should it be that the Church which is inuisible should haue her foundation in a mortall man and that which more is one very weake so as not long after he denied Christ Verely it hath neede of a stronger foundation that it may bee able to stand against so many assaults wherewith it hath beene and still is set vpon by the deuill and the world euen from the beginning Theoph. Deliuer therefore the true sence of those words of Christ to Peter Math. Because Peter had confessed Christ to bee the sonne of the liuing God Christ answereth But I say that thou art Peter Now he is called by that name which Christ had before giuen vnto Symon because Math. 4. 18 10. 2. hee was a liuing stone in the building of the Church who acknowledged Christ to bee the sonne of God and therefore the chiefe stone in the Church When therefore he addeth Vpon this rocke I will build my church that is referred to that rock which Peter himselfe had confessed Austen agreeth with this interpretation Vpon Idm. tract 124. for he saith The church is built vppon the rocke whereof euen Peter had his name Therefore truely the Lord saith Vpon this rocke will I build my Church because Peter had said Thou art Christ the sonne of the liuing God Vpon this rocke therefore saith he which thou hast confessed will I build my church For the rock was Christ vpon the which foundation Peter himselfe was builded For no other foundation can any man lay but that which is already laid which is Christ Iesus These be the words of that father wherewith also agreeth that which Peter saieth when he exhorteth the faithfull that as liuing stones 1. Pet. 2. 5. they would be built vpon Christ that chiefe stone But he proueth this out of the testimonie of Esay Behold I put in Sion a chiefe
that it was permitted to the Israelites for the hardnesse of their hearts that is to say as wel for their rudenesse as for their infirmitie Notwithstanding he sheweth That for the time to come it was not lawfull but for fornication Theoph. But it may be obiected that it is so farre of that the fathers of the Israelites church are excelled by vs in holinesse and sanctimonie of life that contrariwise there bee not a few of them found which did a great deale go beyond vs such as were Moses Elias Daniel c. Mat. When wee speake of the difference betweene the church of the Israelites and ours wee must not alledge some speciall gifts graunted to some speciall mē but it must be considered what was the whole body of that Church for therein standeth the difference Theoph. Declare the third difference Math. It is herein that euerlasting life was obscurely and darkely offered to the Israelites wrapped or folded vp in earthly promises For they were children as Paule speaketh whose age farre more esteemeth some smal things then those that be of the best value But now after we be come to age and are taught the Gospell by meanes whereof the benefite of eternall life is much more plainly made knowen vnto vs wee are in the verie right way ledde to the hope and meditation of it neither do wee stay in these earthly and fraile things And this was the cause why the Fathers vnder the Law esteemed this life more then we ought to esteeme it Theoph. Now remaineth the last difference Math. It is that whereof by the waie we made mention namely that the church vnder the law was as it were bounded with the borders of Iudea or shut vp within that countrey But now it is scattered throughout the whole world neither is it tied to any place Mat. 10. 5. For this cause Christ when he sent forth his disciples to preach the Gospell before his death in plaine wordes forbad them to go to the Gentiles but to the lost sheepe of the house of Israell But after his resurrection when hee had put an end to the ceremonies of the law hee biddeth his Apostles going into all the Mar. 16. 16 world to preach the Gospell to euerie creature Behold what the differences be between the old and our Church Now these haue beene the cause that the bookes of the Bible which respect the state of the Church before Christ was borne had the name of the old Testament and those which were written after his resurrection are called the new Testament or the new couenant yet not that there be two couenants or two Testaments betwixt God and his Church for there is onely one which is diuersely considered Theoph. Let vs goe forward to the rest What is the reason that wee say I beleeue the Church and not I see the Church Mat. Although particular Churches be seen of vs yet because here is intreated of the vniuersall church which we cannot behold with the eyes of the bodie therefore wee doe not saie I see but I beleeue the Church I adde moreouer that the Church properly is no other but that companie of the elect For the hypocrites and reprobats which are mingled with the particular Churches are not members of the vniuersall Church I do annex furthermore for a larger declaration of these two arguments First 1 That it falleth out not seldome that by the persecutions of the enemies the Church is so scattered that it seemeth almost to be cleane put out Howbeit it is not so but onely for a time it is remoued from our fight euen as the wheat lieth hidden vnder the chaffe Which indeed came to passe in the dayes of Elias for 1. Reg. 19. 10. the Prophet complained that he aloue was left For he thought that all the people were fallen away from true Religion Notwithstanding the Lord answered There be remaining vnto me seuen thousand which haue not bowed their knee before Baal Therefore when the Church is hidden either in the whole or in the partes yet ought we not thereupon to ceasse to beleeue that it is For the Lord said by the Prophet that Israels seed Ier. 31. 36. should not faile as long as Sunne and Moone should bee in the heauens The same thing doth Christ confirme Mat. 16. 18. whē he saith that it shall neuer be that the gates of hell shall ouercome the Church that is to say that neither the Deuill nor his Angels shall euer bee able to bring to passe the finall or vtter destruction of the Church howsoeuer God sometimes so giue them the bridle that is to say such libertie that they bring vpon it great calamitie The Church therefore may most fitly be compared to that bush which Moses heretofore saw in the wildernesse Exod. 3. 2. which burnt in the fire and yet was not consumed Theoph. Howe doth the speech of the gates of Hell whereof Christ maketh mention agree with the practises deceipts and counsels of the deuill Mat. It is a similitude or likenesse taken from common wealths in the which in former times iudgement was vsed at the gates of their Citties where also the store of Armour munition for warre was kept Hereupon Iudg. 5. 8. it grew that cōmonly in ancient times the gates were taken for strength and counsell Theoph. Bring forth the other argument by the which thou mayst proue that the Catholike Church is to be beleeued Mat. It is drawne from this that although in it there haue alwayes bin manie elect seeing the word of God is neuer preached in vaine yet neuer the lesse all they that ioyne them selues to particular churches do not straight way belong to the vniuersall church that is to say are not by and by of the number of the faithfull and chosen For as saith Austen Hom. 45. vpon Iohn there bee many sheepe without the sheepfold of Christ which God in his time will call so there be many wolues in the verie Church whose hypocrisie the Lord in their time will discouer Therefore God onely knoweth who be his to vse the wordes of the Apostle And this is the cause why making 2. Tim. 2. mention of the inuisible Church I comprehēded vnder it the elect of God still liuing in the earth Theoph. But are the elect them selues being called of God and ioyned to the particular churches vncertaine of their saluation Mat. No not so For each of them may know their owne faith by the feeling put into them by the holie Ghost and anothers faith they cannot The word of beleeuing containeth all these things For it is as if thou saydest I beleeue that there is a certaine companie of the faithfull and elect in the Church which God defendeth in this world of whose number I certainely know that I am In the meane time Christian charitie requireth this that we iudge well of all those that haue ioyned thēselues to particular churches so long as they shew themselues