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A12943 A retur[ne of vn]truthes vpon [M. Jewel]les replie Partly of such, as he hath slaunderously charg[...] Harding withal: partly of such other, as he h[...] committed about the triall thereof, in the text of the foure first articles of his Replie. VVith a reioyndre vpon the principall matters of the Replie, treated in the thirde and fourthe articles. By Thomas Stapleton student in Diuinitie.; Returne of untruthes upon M. Jewelles replie. Stapleton, Thomas, 1535-1598. 1566 (1566) STC 23234; ESTC S105218 514,367 712

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by the way of consequence considering the reason which folowed he spake no Vntruth The reason why there ought to be one high priest in the Church who should haue peerelesse authorite ouer others is the auoiding of schismes If this reason do force that euery seuerall Dyocesse must haue one head bishop it forceth a great deale more that the whole Churche being the greater in numbre and the more in danger of Diuision haue also one Head bishop Which in no man els appearing but in the bishop of Rome to whom the Scriptures the Councelles the Emperours and the Fathers haue graunted the Primacy it maketh as I saide by a right good consequence for the supreme Authorite of the Pope Thus S. Hierom by the force of his reason maye meane the Pope though in his wordes he speake not of the Pope Harding To ordeine and appoint the vicaire of Christ it pertaineth to none other then to Christ. Iewell The 104. Vntruthe For Christ neuer appointed any such vicaire First this For foloweth not The consequence I saie is Vntrue Christ appointed no vicaire Ergo it perteineth not vnto him to do so As by the like it shall appeare The kinge of Englād neuer appointed any high Constable or general Lieutenant ouer the whole Realme of England Ergo it perteineth not vnto him to do so This hangeth very loosely He neuer did it ergo he can not or ought not to do it Especially when we talke of God who can do all that him pleaseth Againe the proposition of M. Iewell is an other most manifest and wicked Vntruthe Which for Truthes sake I wil nowe by Gods helpe euidently proue That Christ him selfe was the Head of all the Churche appointed by God the Father the Apostle saieth plainely God gaue him to be the Head ouer all the Churche which is his Body That Christ gaue the same authorite or Headship ouer all the Churche vnto Peter I proue Christ saied to Peter Thou art Peter and vpon this rocke I will builde my Churche and hell gates shall not preuaile against it Vpon this place thus I reason To be the Foundation of the whole Vniuersall Churche vnder Christ is to haue the pow●● and strength of Christ ouer it is to be in Curistes place is to be his Vniuersall Vicair But Peter is the Foundation of the whole Vniuersall Church Ergo Peter was made Christes Vniuersall Vicaire The Maior or first proposition thus I proue Christ is Head of the whole Churche bicause he is the foundatiō thereof bicause he fedeth the whole flocke bicause he vpholdeth the whole house Ergo to whom Christ geueth all this that is whom he maketh the foundation of the whole Churche whom he setteth to be the feder of al his Churche whō he strengtheneth to Cōfirme the Apostles and Bishops them selues he hath Christes place and power he is his Vicaire The minor or secōd propositiō I proue by the wordes of the ghospell alleaged which wordes to haue ben properly spoken to Peter I proue by the expositions of the Fathers vpon that place That the Person of Peter was made the foundatiō and Rocke of the whole Churche by those wordes of Christ Chrysostom expressely teacheth vs. His wordes are these vpon that place Quae deus concedere solus potest c. Those thinges which God only can graunte as the power to forgeue sinnes and that the Churche might remaine immoueable notwithstanding so many and so great whaues beating against it and that a poore fisher man might be made stronger thē any Rocke though al the worlde striued against him these thinges I saye which only God cā geue Christ promis●th in this place that he will geue Euen so God the Father saied to Hieremy the prophet I haue set thee as an yron piller and as a brasen walle But God the Father sett him ouer one natiō only but Christ sett Peter ouer the whole worlde Thus farre Chrysostom expounding that place of S. Matthew In whose wordes we see Peter to be sett ouer the whole worlde and the poore fisher man to be made stronger and more durable against all storme of the worlde then any Rocke against the whaues Againe in an other place he saieth of Peter Ecclesiae primatum gubernationemque sibi per vniuersum mundum tradidit Christ gaue vnto him the primacy and gouuernement of the Church throught out the whole worlde What is to be Christes vniuersall vicaire if this be not Hilarie expounding also this place of S. Mathewe Thou art Peter c. where Christ first gaue him that name for before he was called only Simon Bar Iona vseth this exclamation to Peter O in nuncupatione Noui Nominis faelix Ecclesiae fundamentum c. O happy foundation of the Churche in the Title of that newe name O worthy Rocke of that building which dissolued the lawes of hel the gates of the Diuel and al the bōdes of death O Blessed porter of heauē gates to whose arbitrement the kayes of the euerlasting entry are cōmitted whose iudgement on earthe is a preiudicated Authorite in heauē Thus S. Hilarie acknowledgeth the person of Peter to be that foundation and Rocke vpon the which Christ builded his Church And therefore this lerned writer as he calleth Christ the Rocke of the Church and Validum excelsi aedificij fundamētum the stronge fundation of that highe buildyng so in an other place he calleth Peter also Aedificationi ecclesiae subiacens one that laye vnder the building of the Churche that is as one vpon whom the Churche is builded Which also S. Basill confesseth of Peter euen in the very same wordes in effect as S. Hylarie dothe Al which is no more to saie then that Peter was in the Churche in Christes place and roome to holde vp the Churche to builde it and to staye it In like maner S. Ambrose by this place of S. Matthew declareth Peter to be the Rocke of the Church thoughe differently from Christ when he writeth thus of Peter Pro soliditate deuotionis ecclesiarum Petra dicitur c. He is called the Rocke of Churches bicause of his stronge deuotion as our Lorde Saieth Thou art Peter and vpon this Rocke I will builde my Churche For a Rocke he is called bicause he firste layed the foundation off the faithe amonge the gentils and bicause he holdeth together the whole frame and buyldinge off Christen religion like vnto a Rocke that can not be shaken So Peter for the fortitude off deuotion is called a Rocke and our Lorde for his Power and might is called a Rocke Thus farre S. Ambrose Thus bothe Christ and Peter are called the Rocke of the Church by S. Ambrose his iudgemēt but Peter through Christ and for Christ. For as it foloweth in S. Ambrose Recte consortium meretur nomínis qui consortium meretur operis He is well ioyned in felowship of the name which is also ioyned in the felowship of the worke S.
come to the .78 Vntruth to geue any one instaunce or exceptyon in any one Countre of the greke Churche And so D. Harding though he haue not proued it him selfe yet M. Iewell hath proued it for him For an Vniuersal proposition is well proued by Order of Schooles and Reason when no Instance or Exception can be brought to the Contrary Harding Bicause the first preachers of the faith came to these west partes from Rome c. Iewell The .73 Vntruthe The first preachinge of the Faith in these Weste Countries came not first from Rome This Vntruthe was noted before by M. Iewell in the firste Article and here it is repeted to make a number It was the .32 Vntruthe In that place we haue satisfied it and shewed that Fraunce Germanye and the Englishe Nation our Forefathers had all their firste faithe from Rome Maye it please thee gentle Reader to haue a recourse to that place and then iudge what the impudency of M. Iewell deserueth not only in repeting it now againe for an Vntruthe but also auoutchinge it in the texte and noting also in the Margin that M. Hardinge wittingly and willingly auoucheth Vntruthe He bringeth in surmises without Authoritye that Nathanael Saturninus and Lazarus preached first the Faithe of Fraunce For this surmise and Gheasse of his you had before alleaged a testimonye of the Frenche bishoppes them selues aboue a thousand yeares paste confessing they had their Faithe firste from Rome If that suffise not beholde the particular testimony of diuerse the principall Churches in Fraunce to recorde the same Demochares a Frenche Writer of late dayes reakoning vp the Bishops of euery bishoprike and Archebishoprike in Fraunce by the recordes of the Chapters of eche Churche nameth vs their firste bishops to be these Of Senes the first Bishop was S. Sauinianus sent from S. Peter as also Antoninus witnesseth Of Paris the first bishop was S. Denys sent by Clement as the Monuments and Antiquites of Paris do yet testifie Of Chartres Auentinus sent from S. Peter was the first bishop Of Orleans Altinus sent likewise with the other two by S. Peter By S. Clement Pope of Rome soone after S. Peter were sent also diuers Nicasius the firste bishoppe of Rhone Exuperius of Ba ieux and Taurinus of Brye The firste Bishop of Antissiodorum was S. Peregrinus sent from Sixtus the Pope of Rome in the yeare of our Lorde 30. Whereas M. Iewel writeth that Nathanael Lazarus and Saturninus preached the Faith first in Fraunce he hath taken that by lyke out of some Legēda aurea and yet hath not al together truly reported it For as touching Saturninus he was bishop of Tolose in Fraunce in the persecutiō of Decius more then 200. yeares after Christ and therfore could be none of the first that preached there the faithe For Nathanael Vrsinus is named to be the firste bishoppe of Burges Of Lazarus arriuing to Massilia with Marye Magdalene and Martha it is written but that they planted the faithe in Fraunce it is very vncertaine As for the coniectures of M. Iewell from whence our countre receiued the faithe I haue before in the 32. Vntruthe declared the contrarye oute of the approued Historye of Venerable Bede Iewell Tertullian calleth Hierusalem the Mother and the spring of Religiō So doth the Prophet Esaie longe before Prophecye De Syon exibit lex verbum Domini de Hierusalem The lawe shall come forthe of Syon and the worde of the Lorde oute of Hierusalem Our Sauioure also sending forthe his Apostles biddeth them to beginne at Hierusalem to preache to Samaria and so vsque ad extremum terrae euen to the vttermost of the earthe In that sence all the worlde had the faith from Hierusalem And so S. Augustine in the place by M. Iewell alleaged when he saieth The faithe sprange first from the Grekes by the grekes meaneth not the countre of grece but the countre of Iury who at that tyme was a part of the greke Churche as by the greke Liturgie of S. Iames bishop of Hierusalem by the greke Homilies of Cyrillus bishop there also before S. Augustines time l●st of all by the wordes of S. Augustine him selfe in that selfe same epistle alleaged by M. Iewell it is euident For in that same Epistle shewing that we ought not to reiect the greke worde 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 expressing the consubstantialite of Christ with God the father bicause it was not written in holy Scripture but made by the greke Fathers saieth thus Non enim in Africa aut in cuncta Barbariae sed in Syria vel Graecia vbi ipsa caro voluit de virgine nasci dominica decuit vel oportuit verba fidei compendiose firmare For not in Afrike nor in all the rest of barbarous and forrain countres but in Syria or Grece where it liked our Sauiour to take Flesh of the Virgin the wordes of our faithe ought or might wel be established In whiche wordes he calleth Iury where Christ was borne by the name of Grece The which also he doth in an other Epistle calling that countre Radicem Orientalium Ecclesiaru● vnde Euangelium in Africam venit vnde terra si eis afferatur adorant The Roote of of the East Churches from whence the Ghospell came vnto Afrike and from whence the earthe if it be brought to them is worshipped which can be meaned of no Lande but of the Holy Lande Yet notwithstanding all this that principally all Christendom hath their faithe from Hierusalem thoughe she be the true Mother to vs all though S. Augustine do confesse that from thence the faith came to Afrike yet I saye notwithstandinge all this Saint Augustine in this very epistle 70. in number confesseth also that the Faythe came to Afrike from Rome For speaking off the Donatistes condemned apud Ecclesiam transmarinam whiche was at Rome by Melchiades the Pope he addeth vnde ad istas partes Christianae fidei manauit authoritas from the which Church of Rome the authorite of Christen faith hath ben deriued in to these partes And so S. Gregory saieth that from Rome in Africanis partibus sumpsit ordina●io saecerdotalis ●xordium In the Coastes of Afrike the beginning of priestly Order did springe Thus notwitstanding that Hierusalem is the Mother of all Chrystendom yet the Weste Churche as we haue particularly declared in Fraunce in Germany in our countre and last of all now in Afrike hath taken their first faith properly and immediatly from Rome And so hath there ben no Vntruthe auouched by D. Harding but a manifest and willfull falshood defended by M. Iewell Harding They planted and sett vp in the Countres by them conuerted the Seruice of the Church of Rome or some other very like and that 74 in the latin tounge onely for ought that can be shewed to the contrary Iewell The .74 Vntruthe For the first preachers them selues spake no latine If this be all that you
Hierom vpon this place of S. Matthew expoundeth Peter to be the Rocke vpon the which Christ builded his Churche saying Sicut ipse lumen Apostolis donauit c. As Christ gaue all the Apostles light that they might be called the light of the worlde and had their other names of Christ so vnto Simon which beleued in Christ the Rocke he gaue the name of Peter And by the metaphore of a Rocke it is well saied of Christ vnto him I will builde my Churche vpon thee And how many Fathers may be here alleaged which all with one mouthe do confesse that vpon Peter not only vpon the faithe or Confession of him the Churche is builded Tertulliam saieth Latuitne aliquid Petrum aedificandae ecclesiae petram dictum Was there any thinge kept hidde from Peter which was called the rocke of the Church to be builded S. Cipriā almost as ofte as he speaketh of Peter so ofte he calleth him the foundatiō of the Churche Petrus saieth he super quem aedificata ab eodem domino fuerat Ecclesia c. Peter vpon whom our lorde builded his Churche And againe Loquitur illic Petrus super quem aedificanda fuerat Ecclesia Peter speaketh there vpon whom the Churche should be buylded ●xpounding also the Authorite which Christ gaue to Peter in this place of S. Matthewe he sayeth that although the Apostles had aequal power yet vt vnitatē manifestaret vnitatis eiusdem origin●m ab vno incipientem sua authoritate disposuit to expresse an Vnite in the Churche Christ by his Authorite disposed that the fountaine and springe of that Vnite shoulde procede of One which was Peter Therefore also in the disceptation of Peter with Paule touching circuncision S. Ciprian Commending the humilite of S. Peter towarde S. Paule saieth Nec Petrus quem primum Dominus elegit super quem aedificauit Ecclesiam suam se vindicauit c. Neither did Peter whom God chose to be the chefest and vpon whom he builded his Church reuenge him selfe etc. Olde Fater Origens wordes in this matter seme very plaine Thus he saieth Petro cum summa rerum de pascendis ouibus traderetur super ipsum velut super terram Fundaretur Ecclesia nullius confessio Virtutis alterius ab eo nisi Charitatis exigitur When the chiefe gouernement of feeding Christes flocke was committed to Peter and the Church was builded vpon him like as vpon earthe the profession of no other Vertu is required of him but Charite For after Christ had three times asked him Peter louest thou me yea and ones Diligis me plus his Doest thou loue me more then these other doe and to euery question Peter had answered Yea Christ concluded with him and saied Pasce oues meas Fede my shepe In these demaundes only loue was required of him And at this time saieth Origen Summa rerum de pascendis Ouibus traditur The chiefe and principall gouernement of feding Christes shepe was deliuered vp vnto him and Super ipsum velut super terram fundata est Ecclesia The Church was builded or founded vpō him vpon Peter him selfe euen as vpō earthe That earthe truly which our Sauiour called a Rocke and made it by his special praier for him that his Faith should not faile strōger and stedfaster then any Rocke or Quarre of what euer stone it be Therefore Cyrillus an other greke Father saied expressely Nulli alij quàm Petro Christus quod suum est plenum sed ipsi soli dedit Christ gaue his whole ful power to none other then to Peter But to him only he gaue it And what is to be Vicair of Christ if this be not If he haue Summam rerum traditam the Chiefe gouuernement and Authorite left vnto him as Origen saieth if Christ gaue to him ful power and to none other as Cyrillus sayth if vpō him the Church was builded as so many Fathers doe witnesse not only S. Hilary S. Cipriā S. Ambrose S. Hierō and Tertullian of the West Church but also S. Chrysost S. Basill Origen and Epiphanius of the East Churche how can it be doubted but that Peter succeded to Christ by his owne most blessed appointment in full power and Authorite and was therefore his true Vicaire It will here be saied Many other Fathers yea and some of these alleaged do expound this place of Matthewe in such sorte that not vpon the person of Peter but vpon the faith of Peter the Church is builded To this I answer that bothe is true And that I declare by two causes First by most euidēt reason next by Authorite The reason is this The Churche is builded vpō the faith of Peter and yet vpō the person of Peter bicause the person of Peter touching his faithe is no fraile mortal creature but is a strōg vnshakeable Rocke as the faith it self is And why so Forsothe bicause to the person of Peter it is promised that his faith shal not faile Christ sayd I haue praied for thee Peter that thy faith may not faile We beleue this praier is obtained And therefore vpon this warrant of Christes praier the person of Peter and his faithe shall neuer be seuered Thus the fathers calling sometimes the faith of Peter sometimes Peter him self the Rocke of the Churche do meane one selfe thinge By Authorite thus it is proued No writer doth more often and more earnestly interpret that place of the faith of Peter or of Christ him selfe and call that faith and cōfession of his and sometime Christ him self the Rocke vpon the which Christ builded his Church then doth S. Augustin Yeat the same lerned Father in his Retractations remembring that he had also expounded the same of Peter him selfe quod in eo tanquam in petra fundata sit Ecclesia that the Churche was builded in Peter as vpon the Rocke which sence also he saieth was songe by many in the hymnes of S. Ambrose where it is saide of the cocke hoc ipsa petra ecclesiae canente culpam diluit At the crowing of the cocke the Rocke of the Churche Peter lamented his faulte he concludeth the whole matter of those two expositions either off Peter to be the Rocke either of Christ with these wordes Harum duarum sententiarum quae sit probabilior eligat lector Of these ij sentences which is the more probable I leaue it to the Readers choyse Wherein as he condēneth none so he alloweth bothe And thus much out of the lerned Fathers for confirmation of the Minor or second proportion of my former Argument that the wordes of Christ in S. Matthew were properly spoken to Peter and that he was made by Christ the foundation and Rocke of the whole vniuersall Churche Which with the Maior or proposition being thus proued the Conclusion I trust will well folowe that Christ hath lefte and appointed in his Churche a Vicair vniuersal and that S. Peter And so farre is the rashe
bothe parties Stapletō Phy on heresy phy vpon wilfull blindnesse One desperat Acte of One furious heretike Donatus by name must serue M. Iewell to builde Three Greate Conclusions and Principles vpon Donatus did all this But the Emperour called it Rabidamfurioris Audaciam A desperat Rage and Fury M. Iewell calleth it a Lawfull Appeale After the bishop of Romes Iudgement the Emperour graunted to Donatus yet an other S. Angustin saieth Non quia iam nec●sse erat sed eorum peruersitatibus cedens omnimodo cupiens tantam impudentiam cohibere Not bicause that was nedefull but bicause that the good Emperour yelded to their extreme frowardnesse and desired by al meanes to ouercome their passing outragyousnesse M. Iewell buildeth vpon this fact a Principle that all men might lawfully Appeale from the Pope to the Emperour Constantin satt in Iudgement and heard bothe parties him self S. Augustin saieth A Sāctis Antistibus postea veniam petiturus Minding to aske pardō therfor afterward of the holy bishops M. Iewel saith it was well and Lawfully done and so it should be And this is he forsoth which wil yelde to any One Sentēce of any One Father or Doctour in a nūber of Articles O M. Iewel If you meane plainly if you will in dede yelde to the Fathers why make you a grounde of Doctrine vpon such a facte as by their Iudgement is so detested and abhorred You offred your Reader a Feast of three faire dishes But all is moued to a Calues tounge diuersly dreste All is the desperat fact of one outragyous heretike Your Arte is good But Alas you w●nte Matter For beholde Of so weake proufe what a stronge Conclusion you make Iewell Nowe if receiuing Appeales necessarely importe this Vniuersall Power then was the Emperours powre Vniuersall For he receiued All appeales out of all Countres vvithout exception and that euen in Causes ecclesiasticall Loe. Of one desperat facte Of One Rabida furoris Audacia One presumptuous fury M. Iewell concludeth All Appeales out of all Countres vvithout exception I can saye no more But a whetston a whetston for you Iewell Againe then was the bishop of Romes power not Vniuersall for it was lawfull then to refuse him and to Appeale to some other Lese nothinge I pray you Conclude apase and as mightely as you can What M Iewell Thinke you to outface vs with ioyly bragges and greate vauntes as if ye were playing at poste and shoulde winne all by vyeing No M. Iewell You maye not so dor vs. Your single solde facte of One desperat heretike maye not conclude a Threefolde Principle and an Vniuersall Proufe for all Catholikes to folowe If you like such presidents folowe them we like them not we defye them They are the enemies of Gods peace the Cancre of Christen common welthes the poyson of our soules We haue better presidents lerned Fathers Catholike bishops and holy Councels to folowe bothe in making Appeales to Rome and in refusing of all Appeales to the Ciuill magistrat as it hath in this Conflict at large bene proued Nowe you make an ende Iewell And this M. Hardinges reasons renne roundely against him Thus M. Iewelles proufes haue all failed him His threefolde Assaulte in Conclusion hath proued but single solde Hitherto of Appeales from the chiefest Patriarkes of the worlde to the See of Rome whereby the Superiorite and Primacy of that See ouer all Churches is vnuincibly proued All that M. Iewell coulde possibly deuise to saie against it is answered I trust sufficiently God graunte my small labour may edifye and helpe to bringe vs to the dewe Obedience of Christes vicair here on earthe without the which we shall neuer see ende of heresyes schismes and dissension Harding The speciall grace and singular priuilege of the Churche of Rome neuer to faile in the faithe is to be imputed vnto the praier of Christ by which he obteined of God for Peter and his successours 108 that their faith shoulde not faile Iewell The .108 Vntruthe For many Popes haue erred faithe as shal appeare Then it behoueth vs to answer to the reasons and argumentes by which you will persuade that it will so appeare First you alleage three places out of the prophets wickedly and notoriously wrested and wrethed as it hath before bene declared in the 105. Vntruthe where you drawe vs to this common place of holy scriptures by you wrested and wrethed from their due and right meaning And truly to this purpose they make nothinge Vnlesse M. Iewell will frame his reasons after this sorte Micheas saied that the priestes and Prophetes being wicked rested them selues vpon the Lorde Hieremy saieth of the priestes and of the elders that they had a confidence in their Councell and lawe as though it shoulde neuer faile Item Micheas againe saieth that the priestes of the Iewes should haue night and darkenesse in stede of their visions and prophecies Ergo many Popes haue erred in the faithe Who euer made any such argumentes in any schole what will M. Iewell make folcke beleue that Micheas and Hieremy the prophets haue writen in their prophecies that many Popes haue erred in the saithe Iewell Or doth M. Iewell thinke that these reasons must be taken bicause he speaketh the worde But he will saie Micheas an hieremy do tell vs that the priestes did amisse and yet craked that they coulde not be deceiued We denie it not But did they speake any thinge of the Popes of Rome did they testifie so longe before that they should erre in the faithe why maie we not thinke rather that Micheas rebuked the proude priestes and foretolde of the fall of their Synagoge and of their blindnesse they should be in at the coming of the Messias And that Hieremy rebuked their vices not their belefe their conspiracy to destroye him as he did in dede not any Councell of theirs touching the obseruation of Moyses lawes Thus M. Iewell wresteth and wretheth holy Scripture at his preasure Iewell Certainely the very glose vpon the decretalles putteth this Matter vtterly out of doubte These be the wordes It is certaine that the pope may erre And Alphonsus saieth Euery man may erre in the faith yea although it be the Pope Stapletō You knowe well M. Iewell it is not auouched by D. Hardinge neither defended by the Catholikes that the Pope in his owne person and as a priuat man can not possibly erre For so we saie with the decretalles and with Alphonsus to that the Pope may erre and hath erred bothe in faithe and in maners touching his owne priuat person But the thinge which is here auouched by D. Harding and which is by vs defended is that the Pope as the Head of the Churche can neuer erre that is he can neuer decree any thinge erroneous or contrary to the faythe he can neuer deliuer any false doctrine to the Churche contrary to the faithe You knowe M. Iewell by the debating of this controuersie amonge the