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without_o elder_n must_v prove_v that_o man_n can_v not_o come_v unto_o noâ—_n continue_v in_o christ_n unless_o it_o be_v by_o ecclesiastical_a officer_n which_o they_o shall_v never_o be_v able_a to_o manifest_v or_o all_o may_v see_v how_o they_o be_v beguile_v with_o error_n that_o they_o can_v not_o find_v thing_n so_o apparent_a and_o heretofore_o acknowledge_v by_o themselves_o there_o opinion_n be_v injurious_a not_o only_o to_o christian_n but_o to_o christ_n himself_o while_o they_o will_v not_o grant_v he_o be_v the_o corner_n stone_n the_o head_n the_o king_n and_o the_o faithful_a the_o live_a stone_n his_o member_n and_o subject_n to_o make_v a_o house_n body_n or_o kingdom_n if_o the_o elder_n want_v or_o refuse_v though_o he_o as_o be_v write_v 2.1_o walk_v among_o his_o church_n and_o 28.20_o be_v with_o they_o all_o day_n to_o the_o world_n end_n 5._o five_o they_o
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what_o concord_n have_v christ_n with_o belial_n so_o he_o will_v not_o cease_v there_o but_o justify_v the_o curse_a mass_n by_o like_a reason_n to_o be_v the_o bless_a supper_n of_o our_o lord_n for_o it_o be_v the_o same_o church_n that_o enjoy_v these_o 2._o sacram_fw-la ts_o the_o same_o priest_n minister_v they_o both_o in_o the_o same_o babylonish_n unknown_a language_n both_o of_o they_o have_v christ_n institution_n abuse_v by_o the_o man_n of_o sin_v and_o as_o water_n be_v in_o their_o baptism_n so_o bread_n and_o wine_n be_v in_o their_o mass_n as_o in_o baptism_n they_o use_v the_o 28.19_o name_n of_o the_o father_n the_o son_n &_o the_o holy_a ghost_n so_o in_o the_o mass_n they_o use_v 26.26_o take_v eat_v this_o be_v my_o body_n etc._n etc._n now_o why_o shall_v one_o of_o these_o sacrament_n be_v true_a and_o not_o a_o other_o all_o that_o be_v not_o antichrist_n bondman_n detest_v his_o mass_n as_o a_o monstrous_a idol_n let_v they_o that_o list_v honour_v his_o baptism_n again_o excommunication_n be_v god_n ordinance_n as_o well_o as_o baptism_n and_o these_o our_o opposite_n say_v 26._o that_o by_o it_o a_o man_n be_v cut_v off_o from_o communion_n with_o all_o church_n of_o christ_n upon_o earth_n have_v his_o sin_n also_o bind_v in_o heaven_n as_o on_o the_o contrary_a by_o baptism_n we_o be_v enter_v into_o communion_n with_o all_o church_n of_o christ_n in_o the_o world_n this_o excommunication_n the_o church_n of_o rome_n use_v as_o well_o as_o baptism_n and_o have_v power_n from_o christ_n to_o do_v it_o as_o well_o as_o to_o baptise_v whereupon_o it_o will_v follow_v if_o we_o be_v bind_v to_o communion_n with_o they_o that_o they_o baptise_v we_o be_v also_o bind_v to_o avoid_v the_o communion_n of_o they_o that_o they_o excommunicate_v now_o for_o asmuch_o as_o these_o our_o opposite_n themselves_o beside_o all_o other_o that_o have_v separate_v from_o the_o church_n and_o doctrine_n of_o rome_n have_v many_o curse_n and_o 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church_n otherweise_v if_o he_o be_v but_o a_o idol_n and_o not_o god_n his_o temple_n church_n and_o body_n will_v prove_v but_o a_o idol_n like_o himself_o and_o his_o blasphemy_n be_v worse_a than_o they_o 9_o which_o say_v they_o be_v jew_n and_o be_v not_o but_o do_v lie_v and_o be_v the_o synagogue_n of_o satan_n second_o they_o take_v it_o for_o grant_v that_o by_o the_o temple_n be_v mean_v the_o church_n and_o so_o go_v on_o in_o obscurity_n whereas_o the_o temple_n do_v primary_o figure_v out_o christ_n joh._n 2.19.21_o and_o in_o the_o heavenly_a jerusalem_n the_o true_a church_n there_o be_v no_o other_o temple_n see_v but_o the_o lord_n god_n almighty_a and_o the_o lamb_n christ_n which_o be_v the_o temple_n of_o it_o rev._n 21.22_o if_o in_o this_o sense_n we_o understand_v that_o speech_n of_o paul_n 2.4_o touch_v antichrist_n then_o must_v we_o translate_v the_o word_n as_o 19_o some_o ancient_a doctor_n have_v do_v eye_v tun_n naon_n for_o the_o temple_n or_o as_o if_o 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