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A06199	Cum bono Deo Raine from the clouds, vpon a choicke angel: or, A returned answere, to that common quæritur of our adversaries, VVhere was your church before Luther? Digested into several meditations, according to the difference of points. Extorted off the author, for stilling the vncessant, and no lesse clamorous coassation of some patmicke frogges, against the lawfulness of our calling.	Logie, Andrew.	1624 (1624)	STC 16694; ESTC S108810	39,602	80

demonstratiuelie That Trueth which CHRIST and his Apostles taught wanted never men in all Ages constantlie to professe the same for the Trueth could never want witnesses But so it is that which wee holde and teach is one and the same with that Trueth which CHRIST and his Apostles taught Ergo This our doctrine wanted never men in all Ages to professe the same Thus wee bring our Adversaries from the historicall part to the doctrinall Alwayes lest I should seeme heere to decline this other part I must speake a little heereof Truelie pudendam stupendam prodit bîc 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 hee bewrayeth a grosse and inexpiable anistoresie who denyeth that there were not still more Christiani so to speake in opposition than Papani more not acknowledging the Pope and his authoritie than adhering to him even before LVTHER and detection of Poprie by him throughout the world as were easie to proue by induction It is cleare ex Pauli veneti navigationibus orientalibus that there were most frequent Christian Churches in those dayes wherein hee wrote some three or foure hundreth yeares since as apud Indos ultra cis Gangen Amongst the Tartars or Tatars in Scythia In utraque Armenia in Mesopotamia besides diverse other places Now the greater part of all these Christians scarse vnderstood so much as by heare-say of the bare and naked name of the Pope Againe in Aethiopia the large and ample extent of the Abyssin Churches is knowne where if wee should bee pleased to measure the extent but of those Provinces wee should finde even those alone to exceede farre all those which in Europe acknowledge his holinesse for-sooth Further si adhuc libeat ad septentrionem exeurrere we shall find most largelie diffused Churches as Moscorum Ruthenorum Russorum yea yet intra mare Caspium wee shall sinde many Churches over which the Pope hath not the least power But that wee may doe etiam supra id quod rogatur the Europaean Graecians doe no lesse execrate the Pope than wee doe They excommunicate him yearelie they instile him in common with vs by the name of Antichrist I would learne of our Adversaries what they can say de Anglis quid de Bobemis quid de Valdensibus Albigensibus of the Wallons of France who being dispersed diverslie throughout Europe proseminarunt eadem dogmata sew the same doctrine which Hus and before him Wicleff and after both these LVTHER but renewed If wee should bee pleased to repeat and a●cesse the Histories but of these Europaean Christians out of our Adversaries their owne Monuments who wrote against them in those tymes wee shall finde the most approved Writers amongst them eadem ipsis dogmata pro erroribus impingere to lay the same Dogmaes or pointes to their charge for errours which wee acknowledge and sustaine to day for true Dogmaes and Articles of Christian Fayth As for taste That the Pope of Rome had overwhelmed by the multitude of his Traditions as by a deludge the whole Christian Church Item that the expiatorie Sacrifices for the quicke and the dead were null That there was no Purgatorie No merit of works besides diverse other pointes which they denyed as Nundination of Indulgences 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 c. Yea and whereas amongst the rest of their Articles of the Popish Fayth this obtained Tenendum Imperatorem non immediatè à DEO sed à Papa potestatem accepisse That it was to bee holden that the Emperour had not or helde not his power immediatelie from GOD but from the Pope and his holinesse for-sooth and that these who thought otherwayes were to bee ranked amongst the Manichaeans as who thus established two Principles It is more than notoriously heere knowne quam acriter insectati hîc Albigenses how odiouslie they traduced them etiam hoc nomine multis ad hoc ridiculis contumeliosis ad ludibrium confictis nominibus as is cleare out of the Edicts of Fredericke the second Emperour as now calling them by the name of Iosephytes now of Turripines now of Picards now of Lombards now of Tatars as it were voyaging men to wit from the places through the which they were diverslie dispersed yea at last ne quid hîc deesset by the name of Manichaeans Now you see the traduction of our Church at least per tempus tempora dimidium temporis for three hundreth and fiftie years and even so long before Hus Hierome of Prague yea or Wickleff let bee LVTHER Catalogus testium veritatis showeth ah omni aevo reclamatum doctrinae Pontificiae and pointeth deicticallie at those who opposed and oppugned the same and stood for the contrarie trueth Nay let vs but evolue and turne over their Monuments and wee shall finde store of those who long before LVTHER diverse ages not onelie set themselues against that Antichristian doctrine but suffered for this their opposition most exquisite torments and quaestionlesse wee should haue had yet farre greater store of such examples nisi historiarum custodia penes ipsos fuisset sic partus Israeliticos vndis wersissent To winde vp this point Could this their Church bee then the sole and the Catholicke Church Vincentius Lyrinensis defineth 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 quod semper quod ubique quod ab omnibus Now from this my historicall deduction it is cleare that Poprie cannot bee sayde to bee such for it obtained not alwayes for non ab initio though it began well tymouslie to bee aworking in the verie Apostles their dayes albeit well imperceptibly according to the nature of a mysterie it obtained not everie where nor amongst all c. Nay you may see from this my discourse that it was so farre from being simplie Catholicke as that it was not so much as such but in relation or comparison c. Tertium Meletema MEE thinkes it strange how our Adversaries can vrge the visibilitie of the Catholicke Church for 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 incurreth not in the sense Mente non sensu depraehenditur percipitur sensus quippe est singularium Againe the Catholicke Church is an Article of Fayth Now Fides est 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 an evidence of thinges not seene as the Apostle sayeth Hebr. 11. vers 1 and as Sainct AVGVSTINE sayeth Si vides non est fides Whitherto BELLARMINE is driven thus to pronounce heere De Ecclesia Lib. 3. Cap. 15. Melius dico in Ecclesia aliquid videri aliquid credi videmus enim eum coetum qui est Ecclesia sed quod ille coetus sit Ecclesia hoc non videmus sed credimus c. Thus to trace heere but our Adversarie Nihil Ecclesiae formale aut Ecclesiae qua talis constitutivum vel ipso hic nobis suffragante astipulante est visibile aut sensui expositum The Catholicke Church consisteth of CHRIST the Head of the Church triumphing in Heaven and of this Way-faring and Warre-faring on Earth Now who can sustaine to affirme this Church to bee visible I grant that

Temple nay filled everie corner and everie high place And because una birundo non facit ver I would inquire yet farther Where was the visible Church of Iudah whereas Manasseh restored Idolatrie as lykewyse vnder Amon If our Adversaries would except heere That there remained still a Church throughout all those dayes and times to wit in some certaine persons as Prophets and others of the same note the answere should prooue easie The quaestion is not of the Church simplie for there remaineth still a Church while there remaine anie two or three qui Patrem in CHRISTO per Spiritum invocent but of the Church as to her externall policie If shee remaine alwayes so visible as to her externall forme as that shee may bee straight discerned or internosced by the eye from other companies whether acclaiming or not acclaiming to them this name for our Adversaries cannot away that anie Church receiue the name of a true Church which is not instructed with this externall policie furnished with this outward visibilitie eutaxie and constitution If you could bee pleased heere to eye a little with mee the Church throughout her whole marching from Families to the Tabernacle and from thence to the Temple as lykewyse throughout her whole estate before the Law vnder the Law and vnder Grace you should see her still to haue suffered eclipses and deliquies as to her externall forme or visible face so that our Adversaries denying That a Church can turne invisible quoad externam ' 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 politiam and yet continue a Church bewray an inexpiable anistoresie or ignorance of the sacred historie Reade you not in the third Chapter of Genesis of the fall of our first Parents and at the closure of the fourth Chapter howe men began to call vpon the Name of the LORD as Enoch was borne to Seth which importeth a prior suppression of Religion How long continued the true Religion vnviolated Etiam in sanctâ illâ gente even in that holie posteritie of SHEM Were not ABRAHAMS Fathers Idolaters and himselfe called out of VR of the CHALDAEANS being an Idolater Againe Did not the people followe Idolatrie the space of two hundreth yeares in AEGYPT without so much as anie open opposite Ezechiel 23. Vers 3. and 19. Heere both the Daughters IVDAH as ISRAEL or SAMARIA idolatred and committed Fornication as is cleare from the alleadged place What will our Adversaries say heere where the whole people idolatred and worshipped the golden Calfe etiam ARAONE duce Exod. 32. For as to that That MOSES was free heere it is nothing for hee is Ecclesiae but non Ecclesia BELLARMINE here affirmeth yet farther That the whole Levites remained pure and free from this contagion because that the whole sonnes of LEVI are sayde to haue gathered themselues vnto him Vbi ultionem pararet poenas exigeret Idolomanias illius For aunswere BELLARMINE playeth the Sophist heere for the Text serveth to show indeede who they were that adjoyned themselues to MOSES that they were Levites but it sayeth not that the Levites were all to one pure and free from this contagion nay it is not probable that all the sonnes of LEVI gathered themselues to MOSES for so if omnes sese ad ultionem accinxissent majorem indubiè edidissent stragem for a little after Habito eorum censu they are reckoned foorth about nine thousand Alwayes the first answere serveth the turne What can our Adversaries say to their manifolde and most frequent revolts vnder the IVDGES Nay What can they possible except heere whereas wee reade Iudg. Cap. 8. Vers 27.33.34 of the generall revolt of the Iudge and people in common whilst even GIDEON one of the Iudges of no slender note made an Ephod and put it in EPHRATH his Citie where all ISRAEL went a-whoring after it Yea and not staying heere after his death went a-whoring after Baalim and made Baal-Berith their god By the waye heere it is observeable what aunswere that ARCHI-RABBI BELLARMINE returneth to this exception of our men to wit Of the generall inveighing of the Prophets against the generall defection of the whole bodie in common of the whole people head and tayle as it were to wit That that is directed to all oratorio more which pertayneth but to the greater part that is per 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Nowe then to take but what hee giveth it holdeth then still true Ecclesiam deficere saltem secundum rationem 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 or in respect of the greater part Aufugiente subducente se interim muliere in desertum the Woman taking her flight in the meane time to the Wildernesse ubi à DEO mirabiliter pascitur rationibus nobis saepe occultis sibi autem ut notissimis ita facillimis But to come a little nearer I would learne of our Adversaries Where the visible face of the Church was whereas CHRIST came into the worlde If this was to bee measured ex visibili illa Sacerdotum successione from that visible succession of the Priestes Againe I would vnderstand heere What shall bee the visible or externall forme or face of the Church whereas CHRIST shall come to judgement whiles Hee hath fore-prophesied Himselfe Hee shall scarse finde Fayth on the Earth This I vrge onelie ad sensum currentem I grant indeede that there may bee such a visible Church as our Adversaries require and holde to wit As consisting of members devoyde of Fayth Hope and Charitie for I would haue you to remember heere that of BELLARMINE de Ecclesiae Lib. 3. Cap. 2. Sect. ultima where hee sayeth Non requiri ad hoc ut quis sit membrum Ecclesiae ut habeat Fidem Spem Charitatem And yet Si diis placet this Church shall bee 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Whereas the Church rested as some of themselues even acknowledge in the person of the blessed Virgine where was then the visible face of the Church I would farther pose our Adversaries If the Kingdome of GOD may not admit and suffer translation from one Nation to another nay and if it hath not indeede suffered the same What follie or yet madnesse is it then so pertinaciouslie to pretende heere That a Church cannot suffer such eclipse as to her externall forme as that shee may not bee espyed Wherefore to deale a little more presslie here I would vnderstand if What hath behappened to anie one part of the Catholicke Church that is to this or that particular Church may not befall another or else the reason of the difference heere But so it is This or that particular Church may suffer this eclipse yea admit this translation as the Church of EPHESVS to mention it exemplarlie for Nonne CHRISTVS hoc ipsum interminatur in Epistolis ad Asiaticas Ecclesias tollam Candelabrum doeth hee not thus menace the Church of EPHESVS Revel Cap. 2. vers 5. that hee will come against her shortlie and remooue her Candle-sticke out of his place except shee amende Then it remayneth

〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 must not bee 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 but 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 would bee 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 so 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 or potestas as they speake in Schooles hee must bee instructed with commission Hitherto the LORD is said to haue called Bezaleel by name and to haue filled him with his spirit for working in his Tabernacle Exod. 31. Hitherto the LORD commanded Moses to take Ioshua the sonne of Nun in whom the spirit was and to put hands vpon him Num. 27. vers 18. Hither-to wee see Numbers 17. amongst all the twelue Roddes of the Princes of Israel onelie AARONS Rodde to haue budded blossomed and borne rype Almondes where-by wee are taught symbolicallie that the LORD will onelie blesse their Ministrie whom hee setteth aworke himselfe Matth. 28.19 Hitherto wee see the marriage of these three in unum Spiritum Ite Docete Baptizate Matthew the last at the vpshot whereas CHRIST sent foorth his Disciples to that publicke Ministrie Hitherto wee see with what care the whole Prophets at least in common alleadged still in the entrie of their prophesie to their warrand of Calling Yea last wee see quàm severè à DEO hic animadversum in sacri bujus ordinis temeratores but the least regard to their qualitie But in respect our Adversarie goeth no farther length but contenteth him simplie to amasse some passages together enforcing the necessitie of Vocation or Calling I might vel citra tenuissimum pulvisculum hoc labore defungi by subscrybing to this granted and acknowledged trueth in common the quaestion still remaining with whom this vocation or calling is Alwayes I shall lay hold on the matter even from so farre and impose here a necessitie on my selfe whereas there is none so much as deferred or but barelie offered not out of the least consciousnesse of anie vnlawfulnesse of our Calling or the least weaknesse therein Neither yet heerein sillilie to subserue the humour of our Adversarie Neither yet out of the least praesumption on my part but fiduciâ bonae causae as lykewise to satisfie in some measure as the expectation of all so the most earnest expetition of the well affected as last of all lest else I might justlie seeme overpassing it with a dry foote to overleape it lyke a Ditch from whence I feared danger Yea and bee misconstrued as to detrect the Combate whiles being so pointlie poynted at c. Out of these considerations then one word en passant with a running pen of this so much ventilated quaestion of our Church her being before Luther which our Adversaries with so opē full mouth noyse so much to day yea fill both Heaven and Earth with the brute hereof and wherein they place the strength of their cause as Sampsons strength lay in his haire Truelie to vntye and vnloose this their Gordian knot non expectandus hîc nobis Elias aliquis aut 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Primum Meletema FIrst of all this maine ground would be laide and headilie adverted vnto in the Frontispice of this Worke to wit That the Church is still one and the same though not alwayes alyke affected as a man remaineth one and the selfe same man in sicknesse and health Now from hence the ridiculous follie of these demands of our Adversaries appeare of will to wit Of the being of our Church before LVTHER as lykewyse If shee was in Poprie or not Certes Papatus invasit Ecclesiam Poprie hath invaded the Church for accidentis est inesse subjecto but not on the contrarie subjecti inesse suo accidenti so that the Church throughout her diverse conditions before Poprie vnder Poprie and delivered or come foorth of Babel is but one and the same remaining thus one common subject lyable to diverse alterations and lyke heerein to the naturall or physicall bodie of man diverslie affected Hitherto it is that you see the two witnesses Revel 11.3 to bee cloathed in sacke-cloath ob tristem videlicet Ecclesiae statum and againe the Angels comming foorth with the seaven Plagues ad sumendum debitas de Antichristo poenas to be cloathed in signe of victorie triumph sutablie in pure bright linnen Revel 15. ob laetum Ecclesiae statum Now Est of the third adjacent praesupponeth Est of the second as they speake in Schooles And so it remaineth quòd subinde alia atque alia sit Ecclesiae facies Whitherto shee is well likened by the Fathers to the Moone which remaineth one and the same etiam vel ubi patitur deliquium even while shee is eclipsed For closure then as the Church remained the same even whilst holden in captivitie in that Easterne Babylon so did shee remaine one and the same whilst thralled and enbondaged in that Westerne and mysticall Babylon c. Secundum Meletema WEE acknowledge all in common the Church for the ground and Pillar of the Trueth the word Pillar heere being taken aright ratione scilicet forensi and not Architectonicâ for else all shoud proue confused in that speach of Sainct Paules as if domus id eui innititur domus that is the Trueth and the Church were one and the same as our Adversaries heere confound yea as if the Church were not built on that foundation of the Prophets and Apostles their doctrine as lykewyse allusion heere being made ad domum illam Salomonis totam columnis conspicuam I leaue to speake of the different interpunction which as it would cleare all heere so hath it no little probabilitie because of the synapticke or copulatiue particle Kaì in the beginning of the next verse which would seeme to knit these wordes with something going before to this sense That CHRIST or GOD manifested in the flesh is the ground and pillar of the Trueth without controversie the great mysterie of godlinesse But to follow the received interpunction interpretation ne crabrones irritemus it is cleare frō hence that we must needs acknowledge that pillar for the Church wherevpon wee find the Trueth appended since that ad Ecclesiam tanquam ad columnam prostat veritas in ea demum comparet so that from the doctrine judgement must bee given of the Church and not on the contrarie Whitherto Gregorie Nazianzen sayeth well 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Wherefore thus are wee ledde by the hand to institute a tryall penes quod sit veritas where and with whom the Trueth is this proveth in the ende the last analysis or resolution of this quaestion If I durst make bolde I would pose our Adversaries heere a little of their judgement Whether it bee safer and surer worke with Tertullian personas ex fide or on the contrarie fidem ex personis aestimare now our Adversaries holde this latter and so must needes promiscuouslie receiue the leaven of the Pharisees because they sit in MOSES Chaire for sound and true Doctrine That I may make this farther tributarie to the errand in hand from hence I thus argue