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A03269	An answere to a popish ryme, lately scattered abroad in the west parts, and much relyed vpon by some simply-seduced. By Samuel Hieron, minister of the word of God, at Modbury in Deuon	Hieron, Samuel, 1576?-1617.; Marlorat, Augustin, 1506-1562. Catholike and ecclesiasticall exposition of the holy gospell after S. Marke and Luke.	1604 (1604)	STC 13388; ESTC S119038	35,551	44

c. In Rome we this fulfilled see I say Continuance is no signe To proue a Church to be diuine We may not thinke eche doctrine sure Which doth for many yeeres endure x It is true that the truth shall continue but yet it holdes not backwarde that whatsoeuer continueth is Trueth The Deuill is a lyer from the beginning Must not the Tares be let to grow Till it be time the corne to mowe y Math. 13.30 And Antichrist shall long time stay Euen till the very Iudgement day z 2. Thes 2.8 The Arrian Heresie yeeres did stand Two hundred more then one thousand a Yea and it was so generally receyued that it was sayd the whole world was become an Arrian And so since Mahomet first was séene A thousand yeeres haue nombred béene Romes name endures but Rome is chang'd And hath from Christ it selfe estrang'd Quit thou Rome from Apostacy Or name not perpetuity Pauls wordes do prooue b Ephe. 4.11 c. that certeinly The Church shall haue a Ministry And that there shal be some to féed The Flocke of Christ at euery néed But that these Pastors here or there Shall alwayes sit in beautie cléere This fond Conceipt not one poore word The holy Scripture doth affoord In déed in Rome there diuers bée That beare the name of Prelacy Better we Pilates may them call Séeking the Churches funerall You call your Pope a Shepheard great But where is his Spirituall Meate I do not heare that hee doth preach That would his greatnes much impeach Such are his carnall Cardinals Or rather bloudy Canibals c The people that liue vpon mans flesh They eate the Fatte and skin the Flocke And liue vpon the Churches stocke An idle signe a Shepherds Crooke In hand they beare d Their Pastoral staffe made in fashion of a Shepheards crooke but can not brooke To preach the word a Pastors grace That duty fittes not their high place The key of knowledge they withdraw e Luke 11.52 And from Gods people steale f Ieremy 23.30 Gods Law g They teach traditions to be equally reuerēced as the Scriptures Con. Trid. ses 4. dec 1. And mens deuies on them thrust Making them vnto Fancies trust These are Romes Pastors wofull shéepe Which left are to the Wolues to kéepe Thou Shepheard great Byshop chiefe h 1. Pet. 2.25 5.4 Come quickly i Reuel 22.20 quell this Romish thiefe Visible THou tell'st a tale incredible How that Gods Church is visible And by the Byshops Catalogue Wouldst prooue thy Romish Synagogue The errors here together lap 't By which the simple are entrap't All which your fained Church doth hold I meane in order to vnfold The Catholike Church defin'd aright Cannot be subiect to our sight It is th' Elected Company k 1. Pet. 2.9 And Christ his chosen Family l Ephe. 3.15 Of this one part in heauen liues m Called the Church Triumphant The other here with Sathan striues n Termed the Church Militant The part aboue you le not deny With mortall eyes none can descry The same is true of that below It is vnséene by vs also How with mine eyes I might discerne And sée th' Elect faine would I learne Vpon their persons we may looke Whose names are written in Gods booke o The Booke of life Phil. 4.3 But as for their spirituall Being It is a thing doth passe our séeing Partes of Christs church you Papists make Euen those whom God will quite forsake p So doeth Belarmine lib. 3. de Eccl. Cap. 7. the Rhemists in their annotations vpon Io. 15.1 Which if the matter well be scand Cannot with any Scripture stand Of the true Church Christ is the Head q Eph. 1.22 In him can be no members dead r They are called liuing stones 1. Pet. 2.5 His Church a Garden s Cant. 4.12 closed well In which no Reprobates can dwell t So August applyeth the place contra Cres Gram. lib. 2. and Gregory the great who was a Bishop of Rome in his Commentary vpon that place So that if fitly we will speake The ground you lay is very weake In calling it a Marke most cléere That Gods true Church must still appéere Of Churches nam'd in seuerall In Cities or els Nationall We yeeld sometime they may be séene Though sometime they are darkened cleane Sometime the Moone with chéerefull light Shines in the height of Heauen bright u Aug. vseth that Similitude in Psalm 9. and Epist 48. and Ambrose Hex 4. C. 8. Sometime with Cloudes t is ouerspred And in the Wane cleane vanished So is the Church in safety still Although not alway visible Sometimes it sittes in glory great Sometime it hath no certaine Seat The Woman which to Desert fled From Sathans rage to hide her head w Apoc. 12.6 By all the Learneds full consent The Church on earth doth represent The famous Church of Israel Where God did promise still to dwell x Psal 132.14 Was drownd so in Idolatry And superstitious slauery That all true worship being gone Elias thought himselfe alone y 1. King 19.10 And when Christ comes to iudge vs all Then Fayth on earth shal be but small z Luke 18.8 How is the Church a City then a Math. 5.14 Rais'd on a Mount and séene of men And how a light set vp on hye That all that will may it espye How shall we to the Church complaine b Math. 18.17 If of the Church no shew remaine This is thy Popish reasoning And Scriptures playne misconstruing Christ doth the Apostles counsell giue The true meaning of those places Soundly to preach and well to liue Because their places were in sight And 't was their Office to giue light They erring many might misse-lead Which in their steps might hap to tread If that their Doctrine were vnsound In falsehood many might bee drownd It was in vaine for them to wéene In doing yll not to be séene You are sayth Christ vpon a Mount To be well markt make full account c Thus Chry. and Theophilact expound this place Paideusi antous enagonious einai cai acribeis peri ton bion os para panton blepesthe mellontas This sheweth wherein our duety stands And what God lookes for at our hands Who call'd are to the Ministry To labour in Gods Husbandry d 1. Cor. 3.9 But from hence how may prooued bée The Churches visibility This place affoords a slender proofe And litle for the Popes behoofe Yet you perhaps will vrge it still The Pastors are set on a Hyll And called Light euen so say I But all men can them not descry For those which want spirituall eyes e Eph. 1.18 Nor are by searching f Iohn 5.39 Scriptures wise g Eph. 5.15 17. This mounted City can not sée Nor where these lightsome Pastors bée h This was the answere of Aug.

yeeres 1164. 1165. 1166. The Waldēses which held in many poynts against the Pope were in anno 1167. after increasing in diuers places Almaris a Bishop burnt in Paris for holding against Transsubstantiation Images Altars and praying to Saints 1206. Many in Sueuia did preach the Pope to be an heretike in the yeres 1236. 1237. 1238. Grosted Bishop of Lincolne wrote against the Pope anno 1246. Arnold de noua villa against Masses Sacrifices for the dead taught that the Popes beliefe was the deuils beliefe anno 1259. All Histories are ful of the like examples These few may serue for a taste to satisfie an indifferent Reader and to stop their mouthes who say none were heard of of our Religion and Church till Luther But now the Lord hath let vs sée Your Antichrists deformity That all men might him fully know Before his finall ouerthrow Our Pastor chiefe f 1. Pet. 5.4 in heauen did sit And so doth stil sayth holy Writte g Acts 4.21 On earth a Vniuersall Priest None dare be call'd but Antichrist h Gregory the great a Bishop of Rome sayd that whoso calleth himselfe or desireth to bee called Vniuersall Bishop is the Forerunner of Antichrist Epist ad Eulogium lib. 7. He that our Church and Keyes had sought By tokens in the Scripture tought Our Church and Keyes he might haue found Euen when the world was most vnsound Building of Churches nothing makes For that which héere thou vndertakes For then commend Demetrius Who builded Shrines at Ephesus i Acts 19.24 Well may the Heathen people boast Of Piramées and Churches cost In houses made God doth not dwell As holy Scripture doeth vs tell k Act. 7.48 Yet neyther all the Churches here Erected by the Papists were Nor are by vs abolished Places where God is worshipped If priuate men haue euill done For it blame not Religion Those men which do Church-spoyling loue Our Fayth and Church doth not approoue Those Celles and Dennes of Idlenes And Nurseryes of wickednesse Vpon good causes were displac'd As Baals Temples were defac'd l 2. Kings 10. * Touching Luthers Mariage A Lawlesse vow m It is wel called a Lawlesse Vow because it is of a thing which is not in mans power If it be said that by fasting prayer it may be performed continency obtayned I answere the giftes of God are twofold Some cōmon to all Beleeuers as Faith c Some peculiar to some onely as this of Continency Now if by fasting and Praier we labour for the first sort we shal in some measure receiue them but we haue not the like assurance for the gifts of the latter sort because it may be the Lord is pleased otherwise to dispose Now to make such a Vow is a sinne but to persist in it is a double euill of single life Luther well brake and tooke a Wife Better the pure and Spot-lesse Bed n Koite amiantos Heb. 13.4 Then by vncleane lustes to be led o 1. Cor. 7.9 Better the marryed Chastity p Papists doe oppose mariage chastity but Paul bids yong women to be chaste subiect to their Husbands Tit. 2.4.5 Then violent Virginity They ought not single to remaine Who are not gifted to containe q 1. Cor. 7.9 Wedlocke it selfe can not defile It hath an Honourable Stile r Heb. 13.4 God doth it not to each man giue Without the marriage bonds to liue s Math. 19.11 And it is allowed to a Bishop to be the Husband of one wife 1. Tim. 3.2 The forced vowes of Singlenes Haue brought foorth beastly Filthines Thou maist behold in History The fruits of Monkish Lechery t There were 6000. infants heads found in Pope Gregory his mote as appeareth by the letter of Voluntianus Bishop of Carthage or as some thinke of Huldericus Bishop of Augusta to Pope Nicholas against the forbidding of Priests mariage Thy poysoned Tongue doth further reach The noble Saxon to impeach Because to Truth he did encline Thou callest him a Libertine When God was pleas'd to let him sée How Christ his Death hath made vs frée Then did he déeme it slauery To beare the Romish tyranny Though Antichrist did Rome possesse ‡ Who kept the Scriptures You kept the Scriptures I confesse And in that long Apostacy Those Bookes were in your custody So I a Pirate false haue knowne To kéepe the goods were not his owne And in the Ship to rule and raigne When the right Owner hath bene slaine So did the Iewish Synagogue Safely kéepe Moses Decalogue And th' other Bookes u Viz. the Prophets Psalmes for so is the old Testamēt diuided Moses the Prophets and Psalmes Luke 24.44 when cruelly They did Christ Iesus crucify § Touching the calling of Ministers The Pastors which did first restore The Trueth which lay long hyd before Thereto were called lawfully And euen by your Authority You did them Priests and Doctors make And they from you this charge did take w In their admittance That they the Truth should soundly preach And in the same the people teach Hereto you caused them to sweare That to the Fayth they should adheare And neuer should errours endure That were against the Doctrine pure That whereunto you did them call Full well they haue performed all Trueth they haue sought to propagate And Heresyes to ruinate As we account your Baptisme true And neuer do the same renue So may you make a lawfull Priest Yet be not the pure Church of Christ We know that now you wiser bée And sweare your Priests to Popery x In their othes and admissions they put in this clause The Catholike and Apostolike Church of Rome which in elder times was not vsed And binde them to maintayne the state Of your thrée-Crowned Potentate Sée now O Papist thou recant Th' art answered by a Protestant I counsell thée if thou be wise No new euasions to deuise Thy tale of Ethelbert of Kent Is but a slender Argument y It is also answered before It sails not whence the Fayth was brought Or who it first amongst vs tought Let vs into the Scripture looke z Isay 8.20 And duely search a Iohn 5.39 Acts 17.11 that holy Booke Thence shal we know which Church to leaue b We haue found Christ in the Scriptures there wee must also finde the Church Aug. de Pastoribus And vnto which alone to cleaue These swelling wordes c 2. Pet. 2 18. of Vnity Succession and Antiquity Are but poore groundlesse fantasyes To blind the simple peoples eyes Though that an Angell thou shouldst sée Let him sayth Paul accursed bée d Gal. 1. ● If from the Scripture he doth erre Account him not Gods Minister If one arise and wonders show Séeking the Trueth to ouerthrow Though that might séeme a motiue strong Yet vnto him death doeth belong e Deut. 13.1 2 5. If thréescore Byshops here and thrée Haue bene with vs successiuely It eyther prooues our Church is true Or els that marke makes nought for you That Fayth for which Peter was slayne Our English Church doth still retayne We heare the voyce f Iohn 10.27 of Christ Iesu Who is the Sonne of God most true FINIS