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A42884 A true and lively character of a right communicating church-member briefely laid down in eighteen severall arguments: proving an absolute necessity of separating, not only, from all that are openly prophane, but from such also, who have not some visible, that is to say, probable worke of the sanctifying spirit upon them. By Iohn Gobert Master of Arts, and minister of the Gospel. Gobert, John. 1650 (1650) Wing G904B; ESTC R217419 24,327 70

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see Lu. 3. 7. If any will from the blemishes of the Jewish Church goe about to affirme that notwithstanding all those blemishes our Saviour did not unchurch them as some doe in these dayes such shall receive their answer at the 8th Argument in this Treatise In the mean time it will not be amisse for such as are better enlightned to take it for granted that the maine Remora or Stop ship if I may so call it of a through-reformation is this uncircumcised civill-honest man suffered to be reputed as a member and yet by Divine ordinance ought not to be or to be so reputed of whom Church gatherers have not to say as our Saviour of the fruitlesse fig-tree that though it was to be cut downe yet he expected fruit and good reason because all this while they were his plant but of such members as these in our Churches Christ would have said not why cumbreth it but wherefore came it into the vineyard the vineyard was no place for it A fourth Argument for the proofe hereof is taken from the proper and specificall nature of a church thus That which putteth no difference betweene the Churches of Christ and other societies and religious men which are in the world that in constituting and gathering of church members is not to be admitted but to allow of members not visibly holy is to doe this viz. It putteth no difference between the Churches of Christ and other religious which are in the world therefore such kind of members are not to be allowed The major proposition needeth no proofe for that there must be a difference between the churches of Christ and other men their religions must not onely differ but the professors of it else how doe the true churches alwayes contract an odium from the world how else can that of Isa 8. 18. be made good Behold I and the children which thou hast given mee are ●or sign●s and for wonders in Israel If this difference ought not to be at least in their conversations how can the world disclaime them for theirs who belong to Christ If you were of the world the world would love his owne but I have chosen you out of the world therefore the world hatetb you John 15. 19. 'T is not their religions that makes them odious for 't is granted by all parties that though the religion of Christ is a paradox to carnall men yet such as touching profession doe often become professors of that which before they hated Quanto retro oderunt quod nunc amant quiour que dolent odisse quod prius res●i●rant saith Augustin in point of conversion from false beliefs neither is it a form externall which contracteth it for in this professions may agree Neither is it the practise of moral duty for if any thing gaineth the worlds affections to the church 't is the churches conversation to the world-ward therefore it must be their z●ale and their affections for heaven the imediate fruit of all necessary and spirituall graces which causeth this hatred from the world and consequently putteth a constant difference betweene the Churches of Christ and other religious professors as our Saviour speaketh not simply or singly of their Religion but of the persons who by the manner of professing it render themselves odious because I have chosen you therefore the world hatceth you The assumption or the minor proposition proveth it self something too manifestly for setting aside the empty and bare title of infant baptisme with a little knowledge by rose which some meetly catechised in the christian profession may attaine unto which for curiosity sake or other ends a J●w or a Turke may be so far principled in as we for the like ends may aff●ct to be seen in the knowledg of the Jewish Talmud or the Turkish Al●●ron I say againe setting these things aside which concerne the profession it selfe not the professors of it what difference now in point of z●ale and suitable conversation betweene hundreds of something more then our common professors and an honest Turk or a J●w for doth not meer nature and morality teach men to think something rever●n●ly of any thing they account for Religion be the profession what it will are we then said to be risen with Christ to live the some life that he liveth to be continually acted by the spirit and all this to have no more zeale to our religion which we grant for true a defiance to all other then a Turk or a J●w have to theirs a●sit A fifth A●gument to prove our purpose is taken both a possibili comm●do that is to say from that which is both possible to be done and best to be done thus Whatsoever may well be done and what is most profitable to ●e done that in a work of weight and moment ought not to be negl●cted but to gather visible Saints or members visibly holy is a thing ●oth which may be done and which is most profitable to be done Ergo in so weighty a worke it ought not to be neglected The Minor is sufficiently evident because in all our purposes and undertakings we ought to go the neerest and speediest way to the effecting of any thing much more when 't is of speciall weight and concernment The minor proposition is proved by parts First That it may be done and this first from the power the true Church hath ever had both in taking in and casting out of Members All do grant Papists Lutherans and others that the Church Governours rightly qualified do receive from Gods Spirit a power of discerning Members worthy and unworthy as farre as concerneth the constitution of a visible Member leaving the inner man to God else what use of the keyes why should that hold bound in heaven and loosed in heaven which by them is bound and loosed on earth Moreover that which makes them known to the world may easily make them known one to another or to such as can better judge But the visible holinesse is known in part to the world therefore farre sooner to such as have better judgements John 13. 19. By this shall all men know that ye are my Disciples if ye have love one towards another Furthermore of one and the same thing there is the same reason and consideration But it is granted by all parties one and other who professe the Christian Religion That holinesse may visibly or probably which is enough for the constituting of a Church-member appeare in some why not in others also since holinesse whereverit is is to sin and corruption as light is to darknesse or as life to death the former common sense teacheth may be discerned why should not faith also discerne such qualified Members therefore out of all doubt or question it is a thing may be done The sixth Argument is drawn from the great benefit which will come of such a qualified Church-gathering thus Whatsoever does most anger and salt the corruptions of men and so disposeth them to a