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A94294 A discourse of the right of the Church in a Christian state: by Herbert Thorndike. Thorndike, Herbert, 1598-1672. 1649 (1649) Wing T1045; Thomason E1232_1; ESTC R203741 232,634 531

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apostle_n to_o the_o whole_a church_n or_o their_o deputy_n and_o commissioner_n the_o evangelist_n as_o when_o s._n paul_n write_v to_o the_o colossian_n i_o 23_o 25._o that_o he_o be_v make_v a_o minister_n of_o the_o gospel_n or_o of_o the_o church_n according_a to_o the_o dispensation_n of_o god_n which_o be_v give_v i_o towards_o you_o to_o fulfil_v the_o word_n of_o god_n that_o be_v the_o mystery_n that_o have_v be_v hide_v from_o generation_n and_o age_n and_o now_o be_v manifest_v to_o his_o saint_n it_o be_v here_o manifest_a that_o he_o call_v himself_o a_o minister_n of_o god_n or_o of_o the_o church_n in_o regard_n of_o publish_v the_o gospel_n and_o plant_v the_o church_n which_o belong_v not_o to_o the_o presbyter_n of_o church_n who_o name_n and_o office_n be_v respective_a to_o their_o particular_a church_n and_o this_o notion_n of_o the_o word_n be_v almost_o always_o to_o be_v gather_v by_o the_o text_n and_o consequence_n of_o those_o passage_n where_o it_o be_v find_v therefore_o the_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d when_o it_o be_v absolute_o put_v 1_o tim._n iii_o 8_o stand_n in_o relation_n to_o bishop_n and_o presbyter_n mention_v afore_o in_o the_o notion_n of_o wait_v upon_o they_o whereas_o when_o it_o be_v put_v with_o the_o addition_n here_o specify_v it_o stand_v in_o relation_n to_o god_n make_v as_o much_o difference_n between_o minister_n of_o the_o word_n and_o bare_o minister_n as_o between_o execute_v the_o immediate_a command_n of_o god_n as_o apostle_n do_v and_o execute_v the_o command_n of_o bishop_n in_o regard_n of_o who_o mention_v afore_o they_o be_v call_v bare_o and_o without_o any_o addition_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d or_o minister_n in_o that_o place_n and_o so_o the_o vii_o at_o jerusalem_n be_v first_o constitute_v to_o wait_v upon_o the_o apostle_n by_o do_v that_o service_n which_o they_o do_v themselves_o at_o the_o first_o for_o the_o church_n whereupon_o it_o be_v afterward_o a_o custom_n in_o the_o church_n that_o there_o shall_v be_v vii_o deacon_n in_o every_o church_n as_o there_o be_v at_o jerusalem_n council_n neocaesar_n can._n fourteen_o and_o therefore_o the_o author_n of_o the_o question_n of_o the_o old_a and_o new_a testament_n in_o s._n augustine_n work_n q._n ci._n have_v observe_v that_o the_o apostle_n call_v presbyter_n their_o fellow_n presbyter_n add_v nunquid_fw-la &_o ministros_fw-la condiaconos_fw-la suos_fw-la diceret_fw-la apostolus_fw-la non_fw-la utique_fw-la quia_fw-la multo_fw-la inferiores_fw-la sunt_fw-la et_fw-la turpe_fw-la est_fw-la judicem_fw-la dicere_fw-la primicerium_fw-la will_v the_o apostle_n call_v deacon_n his_o fellow_n deacon_n sure_o no_o for_o they_o be_v much_o inferior_a and_o it_o be_v absurd_a to_o call_v a_o pronotary_n a_o judge_n where_o he_o make_v the_o same_o difference_n between_o presbyter_n and_o deacon_n as_o christian_a between_o judge_n and_o minister_n of_o court_n and_o that_o according_a to_o the_o original_a custom_n of_o the_o synagogue_n as_o well_o as_o of_o the_o church_n as_o by_o and_o by_o it_o shall_v appear_v notwithstanding_o the_o office_n of_o bishop_n be_v call_v a_o ministry_n very_o ancient_o by_o pope_n pius_n in_o his_o epistle_n to_o justus_n of_o vienna_n as_o also_o the_o office_n both_o of_o bishop_n presbyter_n and_o deacon_n council_n eliber_n can._n xix_o but_o in_o another_o notion_n in_o opposition_n to_o the_o coactive_a power_n of_o the_o world_n as_o proceed_v original_o not_o by_o constraint_n but_o by_o consent_n and_o so_o they_o be_v call_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d and_o their_o office_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d in_o greek_a because_o their_o office_n be_v for_o the_o behoof_n of_o the_o people_n and_o in_o their_o stead_n but_o they_o can_v therefore_o be_v call_v minister_n of_o the_o people_n as_o deacon_n be_v minister_n of_o bishop_n and_o presbyter_n because_o then_o they_o shall_v be_v rule_v by_o the_o people_n and_o execute_v that_o 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canon_n of_o send_v the_o chrism_n to_o all_o parish_n church_n from_o the_o mother_n church_n once_o a_o year_n by_o which_o ceremony_n it_o appear_v that_o the_o bishop_n trust_v his_o authority_n of_o admit_v to_o the_o church_n by_o baptism_n with_o the_o respective_a pastor_n of_o the_o same_o and_o therefore_o it_o be_v not_o unreasonable_o judge_v that_o this_o custom_n of_o chrism_v be_v many_o time_n in_o stead_n of_o confirmation_n to_o those_o church_n that_o use_v it_o beside_o in_o that_o from_o the_o beginning_n no_o ecclesiastical_a office_n be_v to_o be_v minister_v by_o any_o but_o the_o bishop_n in_o his_o presence_n the_o dependence_n of_o all_o ecclesiastical_a authority_n whereby_o the_o same_o be_v minister_v upon_o the_o bishop_n be_v evidence_v to_o we_o thus_o in_o the_o passage_n of_o eusebius_n concern_v origen_n preach_v before_o he_o be_v of_o the_o clergy_n mention_v p._n 106._o it_o be_v further_a to_o be_v observe_v that_o the_o instance_n there_o 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against_o the_o vulgar_a read_n of_o the_o xiii_o canon_n of_o the_o council_n at_o ancyra_n p._n 141._o will_v be_v more_o clear_o understand_v by_o set_v down_o the_o effect_n of_o the_o lvi_o canon_n of_o laodicea_n which_o come_v after_o that_o of_o ancyra_n and_o take_v order_n that_o for_o the_o future_a there_o shall_v be_v no_o country_n bishop_n make_v any_o more_o provide_v further_a that_o those_o which_o be_v already_o constitute_v shall_v do_v nothing_o without_o the_o consent_n of_o the_o bishop_n as_o likewise_o the_o presbyter_n to_o do_v nothing_o without_o the_o same_o which_o be_v the_o provision_n which_o the_o latter_a canon_n establish_v leave_v it_o very_o probable_a that_o the_o other_o go_v afore_o and_o intend_v to_o take_v order_n in_o the_o same_o particular_n shall_v consist_v of_o two_o clause_n correspondent_a to_o the_o same_o that_o there_o be_v other_o church_n and_o bishop_n
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