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A87005 Syons redemption, and original sin vindicated: wherein are these particulars largely handled and discovered. I. That sprinkling of water in the name of the father, son and Holy Ghost is not baptism, ... II Infants not the subjects appointed by God to be baptized, ... III That the second death was never threatned to be inflicted upon Adam ... IV A clear and large discourse as touching Gods decree, of election and reprobation. V A large exposition upon the ninth chapter to the Romanes, ... VI A brief disproof of the unlawfulness of the paying or receving of tithes, ... VII The ordination of the national ministery examined and disproved. VIII The answer of objections against the Jews return out of their captivity ... IX A clear discovery of the glorious effects (or that which will be effected) under the sound of the seventh trumpet. X A full discovery of Judah and Israels glory to be enjoyed in their own land, ... Published for the instruction and comfort of all that wait for the appearing of the Lord Jesus and Zions redemption. Being an answer to a book of Mr. Hezekiah Holland, sometimes preacher in Sutton-Valence in Kent. By George Hammon pastor to the Church of Christ, meeting in Biddenden in Kent. Hammon, George. 1658 (1658) Wing H504; Thomason E958_1; ESTC R207642 184,723 213

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he dyed for every man But he dyed for such as are saved and such as perish Ergo he dyed for every man That he dyed for them that perish see 2 Pet. 2 2. there are some said to have swift destruction The Apostle Peter saith that such as bring on themselves swift destruction were bought by the Lord. so lowing them that deny the Lord that bought them and from thence we may see that some that were bought by Christ our LORD did deny him and that he bought or purchas'd with his blood is clear from 1 Pet. 1.18 and so I pass from this to the next which is the Text 2 Pet. 3 9. thus read But his long suffering to us-wards is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance your answer is that the Apostle speaks of Saints and he loved us and tells them why God was so slack in coming to judge the wicked why so patient and that Gods long suffering to us-ward not the wicked is not willing that any to wit of us the Elect should perish To which I Reply and say and first that to say Peter wrote to Saints and beloved is true but to say where he speaketh of Gods long suffering to us not willing that any should perish me aneth Saints I deny then you will possibly ask me who then the Apostle means when he saith his long suffering to us not willing that any should perish but all should come to repentance Answer first I shall shew you who it is not and then I shall shew you who it is and first who it is not it is not the Saints there meant because in Gods for bearing or delaying his coming conduces to the Elects hurt not to their good and Christ hath said the days shal be shortned for their sakes but never saith he will forbear or be slack or defer or suffer long for their sakes for as God will hasten the time for their sakes so it cannot come too soon to them for they then shall lift up their heads from whence you may see that it is not for the Elects sake that God suff●reth long but for their sakes God hasteneth his coming and shorteneth the dayes I could speak much more to this first but I hasten for the Press Where the Apostle saith his long-suffering to us respect the world present in opposition to the severity of Gods justice passed And Secondly I now shall shew who is included in the word Us in the Text His long-suffering to us-ward and that is the whole world of unregenerate sinful men and that is implyed in the Text although I might cite many Scriptures to that purpose but I shall onely examine the Text it self the which will prove it clearly and first the Apostle is speaking of scoffers coming in the last dayes that should be of an Atheistical spirit supposing the Heavens and Earth to continue in their old posture for ever saying Where is the promise of his coming for since the Fathers fell asleep all things continue as from the beginning but the Apostle saith that this they are willingly ignorant of that by the Word of God the Heavens were of old and the earth standing out of the water and in the water whereby the world mark that that then was being overflowed with water perished here lyeth the dependance of the Text but the Heavens and Earth that now is by the same word are kept for fire against the day of judgement and perdition of ungodly m●n but be not ignorant of this one thing that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day the Lord is not sl●ck he will come and will not stay and the reason is as if he should say because he is not willing that any of us v z. he World th●t now is should perish but all viz. the World that now is should come to repentance so that the word U his long-suffering to us means the World then and now in being this only may be worth a question What you say bringeth the certainty of your Election in question how it can be proved that the word Us and We when it is spoken by the Apostle can mean the World and that I could give you many Texts but I shall onely cite those mentioned in Acts 17.27 28 29. and shall pass only shewing you how you bring the certainty of your Election in question implying a possibility that some of the Elect may perish that is if he should not suffer long then they would perish but that they may not perish God deferreth his coming and suffereth long with the wicked in their wicked practises But you will say that Gods long suffering is salvation Answer it is true it is salvation which sheweth plainly that the long-suffering of God respecteth not the Elect but the Wicked for the Elect cannot be in a better estate than in Gods favour and in a state of Salvation in which they are already as you say and therefore it cannot do them any good or be Salvation to them but rather hurt for if the dayes of his coming should not be shortned no flesh should be saved but for the Elects sake those dayes shall be shortened as if Peter should have said comfort your selves it is not long before the day of Christ will come and you enjoy your Inheritance namely the new Heaven and the new Earth and therefore be patient establish your hearts for the Day of the Lord draweth near remember the Husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the Earth and also remember God hath a good end in his forbearing to hasten his coming that it might be salvation to poor souls that if peradventure some of them would be provoked to return from their wickedness and live for so Gods long suffering waited in the dayes of Noah in the old world and The long-suffering of God ha hoften waited upon wicked men and the Spirit of God strived with them to reclaim them from their sins But for whose sake was the long-suffering of God waited with whom did Gods Spirit strive with the righteous or the wicked it was with the disobedient that he might bring them to God and the very word long suffering respects not the Elect but the Wicked and that Gods long-suffering waiteth upon the Wicked to be salvation to them and not to the Elect see what the Apostle saith Rom. 2.4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodnesse and forbearance and long-suffering not knowing that the goodnesse of God leadeth thee to Repentance or is appointed to lead thee to Repentance but after thy hardness and impenitent heart measureth up unto thy self wrath against the day of wrath From whence we may see that what you have said falleth to the ground and also you do contradict your own opinion in implying that such as are elected from the foundation of the World so as Devils or Men cannot do them hurt
the Lord Jesus THE GREAT KING shal take the KINGDOMS of the whol WORLD into his hands and 〈…〉 KINGS in his wrath and break them like a Potters vessell when he shall sit KING upon his holy hill of SYON and so I passe to a conclusion as briefly as may be not taking notice of every truffle yet I shall not let any thing that hath a colour of reason or strength go unexamined and unanswered as the Lord shall assist me But again whereas in your 34. page you say The Pope is Antichrist because he is against Christ and prayes to Saints To which I answer briefly and say that if all those may be fitly called Antichrist which sin against Christ or break his laws then he that goes to the Ale house and is drunk or he that covets that which is his neighbours is an Antichrist which if so I fear there is few of your tribe will misse that title Antichrist it s well if you do I could shew you your vain reasoning at large but I spare you but you tell me the Pope prayes to Saints The Pope praying to Saints proves him not to be the Antichrist but rather proves that he is not and therefore is Antichrist pray did you ever dream that such as pray to Saints are the Antichrist I am certain you never read it in the Scriptures but rather that proves him not to be Antichrist because he that is the Antichrist will be so far from praying to Saints that he will neither acknowledge God nor Saints but will oppose himself above God or Saints as I already have proved As for your other two reasons are triflles for in your second reason you tell me how The Latteran Council applauded the Pope saying That he was another God on earth To which I answer If you had added such a Letter as was sent from the Samaritanes to Antiochus Epiphanes Read Josephus p. 303. yet it would not have helpt you to prove the Pope to be Antichrist for what and if the Latteran Council did applaud the Pope and call him a God on earth will it therefore follow that either Council or Pope did affirm that they were above the God of heaven or spake as the Man of sin did marvelous things against the God of Gods 1 Cor. 8.5 We know there are gods many as saith the Apostle and so they might peradventure call him a God on earth but this proves him not to be the Antichrist so your second reason falls to the ground And thirdly you say The seven hills are the seat of Antichrist Rev. 17.9 and the Popes sits there and therefore the Pope is Antichrist Answer The text doth say Rev. 17.9 The seven heads are seven mountains on which the WOMAN mark that sitteth But I have shewed that the WOMAN there spoken of is the same WOMAN that is spoken of in the 18. verse which is to be destroyed by the Antichrist and therefore not Antichrist but the seven hills was never called the seat of Antichrist Dan. 11 45. neither shall it ever be his seat but his seat shall be in the glorious holy mountain J●rusalem as I before have shewed And thus all your three reasons to prove the Pope to be Antichrist is chased and vanished away as a vision of the night and so I passe to the next thing considerable which is the examination of what you say to the Reign of Christ after the destruct●on of the great Antichrist because the other intervening discourse of yours is but a story of the family of Gog and Magog the which peradventure I know near so well as your self what Historians say of the family of Gog and Gom●r and Tubal and Togam●r and the like and also possibly I might prove that some of all these families will be of that multitude that shall cover the mountains of Israel like a cloud but I have said enough to prove that the Pope is not THE Antichrist and so I come to examin your examinit●on of Christs reign on earth the which upon examinition I do marvel you would strain your reputation if you ever had any in bringing into a publick view that which hath so little reason or strength of argument in it but I pass briefly to the matter which is Page 36. Christ shall not reign upon earth say you because Christ tells Pilate that his kingdom is not of this world To which I answer and say when Christ tells Pilate his KINGDOME was not of this world at that time it was not of this world considered as it stands in the state of corruption and the government upon many mens shoulders for upon this account Christ speaks to Pilate but there is a time coming that the Kingdomes of this world shall become the Kingdomes of the LORD CHRIST The time is coming that Christ will have and hold a Kingdome on earth and the GOVERNMENT shall be upon his shoulders and he shall reign for ever and ever that is so long as there are KING-DOMES to reign over for this saith the Lord in several places of Scripture as I shall hint at some few of them and also shew you when the time will begin and that will be at the sounding of the seventh Trumpet that shall accomplish these three excellent things or these three excellent things shall be accomplished at that time first the dead Saints raised and secondly the Jews called home and thirdly the KINGDOMS of this world at that time shall become the KINGDOMS of our Lord and of his Christ and he shall reign and govern it in righteousness These three things I shall prove in order as God shall assist through whose strength I could be very large in this matter A discovery of the excellent effects of the 7th trumpet in the time of his sounding 1 Thes 4.16 but I shall be brief And first to the first What is the first thing that will be effected by the sound of the seventh Trumpet which is the dead Saints raised as will appear from the holy Scripture which saith For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout with the voice of the Archangel with the trump of God and the dead in Christ shall rise first and that this is the seventh or last Trumpet is more plainly discovered by Paul to the Corinthians 1 Cor. 15.51 52. which saith Behold I shew you a mystery we shall not all sleep but we shall all be changed in a moment in the twinckling of an eye at the LAST TRVMP for the TRVMPET shall sound and the dead shall be raised incorruptable and we shall be changed From whence we may see that this will be effected in the sounding of the seventh TRUMPET namely that the dead Saints shall be raised and the living Saints changed and so I passe to hint at the second thing that will be effected in that time which is The drying up of the River Euphrates that the children of Israel may
verses one is Baptismos and the other Rantismos the which you have granted that Baptizo and Rantizo are not one and the same in their signification in the 15 and 16 line of your 4 page and so I shall leave this as touching sprinkling with some arguments to prove that sprinkling the which you use in the lieu of Baptism is not the way of God but dipping or plounging or overwhelming or thorrow washing the whole man in water is Gods way and so to the Arguments and the first is as followeth If Christ were given to be a Leader to his people Arg. 1 We ought to follow Christs example who was dipped and that we are commanded to follow his steps as he hath led us an example and he dipped or plounged in water then Christs disciples ought to be dipped as aforesaid But Christ was given to be a Leader and Commander to his people and they ought to follow his examples and he was dipped or plounged in water Ergo Christs disciples ought to be dipped or plounged also That Christ was given to be a Leader to his people I hope will not be denied Esa 55.4 And that we ought to follow his examples Arg. 2 The reason why Iohn stald and Baptised in Aenon was because there was much water I also hope will not be denied Iohn 13.15 1 Pet. 2.21 and it hath been granted by you that Christ was plounged or dipped as in the third page of your book but I pass to the second If the muchness of the water was the main reason why Iohn did stay and Baptise at Aenen then the sprinkling of a little water in Baptism is not Gods way But the muchaess of the water was the main reason that is rendred why John did stay and Baptise at Aenon Ergo a little water or spinkling of a little water in Baptism is not Gods way The Minor is proved John 3.23 the Major cannot fairly be questioned If Baptism signifie Christ barial and Resurrection Arg. 3 Our Baptism signifieth Christs burial and Resurrection then the Person Baptised ought to be dipped or overwhelmed to represent the thing signified in Baptism But Baptism doth signifie Christs burial and Resurrection Ergo the person Baptised ought to be dipped or overwhelmed in water to represent the thing signified in Baptism The Minor that may be questioned is proved from Rom. 6.4 5. Col. 2.12.1 Cor. 15.29 and so briefly to the next argument If Baptism signifie the new birth Arg. 4 and a thorow washing and cleansing from all our sins then sprinkling of a few drops in the face doth not represent the thing signified in Baptism But Baptism doth signifie the new birth and a thorow washing or cleansing from all our sias Ergo sprankling of a few drops doth not represent the thing signified in Baptism And that you may see the Minor proved clearly read these Scriptures Iohn 3.5 1 Cor. 6 11. Titus 3.5 1 Pet. 3.20 21. Rev. 1.5 that which is the common objection is that of sprinkling in the Law and sometimes spoken in the Gospel as a borrowed phrase I have answered already and therefore shall pass with these words the which I also have before mentioned that the sprinkling in the time of the Law was imperfect but now Christ having by one offering perfected for ever such as are sanctified so that now if we sin willingly there remaineth no more sacrifice for sin that is if persons after their Baptism fall away from the truth they have been so washed at the first there remaineth no more repentance or washing beh●nde as there did in the time of the Law once a year If the signification of Baptizo or Bapto Arg. 5 Batto or Baptizo or Baptoma and the like doth not signifie to sprinkle be to dip or ploung or overwhelm or thorowly wash as from the word mergo or immergo and not a tittle of sprinkling and that it be the word that is used by Christ and the Holy Spirit for Baptism then sprinkling is not Gods way in Baptism But Baptizo or Bapto is to dip or plounge or overwhelm as from the word mergo or immergo and not at all to sprinkle and yet it is the word that Christ and the Holy Spirit maketh use of Ergo sprinkling in Baptism is not Gods way And that it is the same word used by Iohn and Christ and after them the Apostles you well know and chorow practice and Gods blessing I know it also in a small measure and so pass to the sixt argument which is as followeth If the waters of Noah figuratively represented the water Arg. 6 in Baptism the which was so great that it covered the earth fifteen cubits upward then the water in Baptism ought not to be little but sufficient to cover the person Baptised But the waters of Noah doth figuratively represent the water in Baptism the which did cover the earth as aforesaid Ergo the water in Baptism is not to be small or a few drops but sufficient to cover the whole man That the water in Baptism is set forth by the waters of Noah see 1 Pet. 3.20 21. And so I briesly pass from this subject of discourse with an answer to your objection You wonder if the three thousand were dipped Obj. 1 how it came to pass that they could be all Baptised in one day Answer although I could speak largly as to the answer of it yet I shall say no more but this many hands make quick work and the dispensing of Baptism was not onely limited to the Apostels for we see Philip did Baptise and Paul saith Christ sent him not to Baptise but to preach Cor. 1.17 so that the great work is to preach and convert Souls and Baptism the lesser And whereas the Apostle saith that Christ sent him not to Baptise but to preach his meaning was that Baptism was not his great work for I dare say that Paul did not any thing in the worship and service of God but what Christ appointed yet he did Baptise many Exod. 4 25. but not so compelled to dispence that Ordinance but that another disciple might do it rather than it should be neglected as Zipporah Circumcised her son although it was more usual for the Fathers but as to the answer in short take this it was no great piece of work to Baptise those three thousand in one day although there might be somewhat said as in respect of the day for there was more There was disciples sufficient to Baptise three thousand Souls for there was more than five hundred brethren 1 Cor. 15.6 and moreover the dayes were long at the feast of Pencecost than an hundred and twenty brethren besides the twelve that was at Ierusalem and these doubtless could not be long of dipping those converts but because as I have said and do say these things are of little weight and are triffles for children to busie themselves about I shall piss to the next
before the time and we never read of any cast into that lake before the judgement day but I pass to the examination of what is said in way of contradiction the which is say you Sodom are new suffering the vengeance of eternal fire from Jude 7. your words are these Iude telleth us say you that Sodom and Gomorrah are suffering the vengeance of eternal fire that is now in misery now the former fire is out which destroyed their bodie Because I have not found you deal fairly with the Scriptures but have wrested them and said that which they say not I shall examine whether Jude 7. say as you say that Sodom and Gomorrah are suffering the vengeance of eternal fire and upon examination I do not find the word ARE in the Verse to that purpose for which ye bring it the Text doth not say they ARE suffering the vengeance of Eternal fire but the Text faith thus Even as Sodom and Gomorrah and the Cities about them in like manner giving themselves over to Fornication and going after strange flesh are set forth for an example suffering the vengeance of eternal fire Now you may see the Text doth not say they ARE suffering of eternal fire but the strength of you reason why they ARE now suffering in Hell is because it faith they ARE 〈◊〉 forth for an example S●V FFERING the vengeance of Eternal fire and because the Text faith S●V FFERING the vengeance that therefore they are now S●V FFERING and in order to a clear answer consider these few things First whether the word S●V FFERING in Scripture may not respect 〈◊〉 the preterperfecttence and not the present 〈◊〉 some place And Secondly whether it was the suffering of the Sodomites in the destroying of their bodies by that fire and brimstone that God rained on them from Heaven be that which is called the example And Thirdly Where you can find any other suffering mentioned that the Sodomites were under save that suffering mentioned in Gen. 19. and Recorded for an example Iude 7. And first to clear this thing see the word SUFFERING in some places of scripture respecteth the Preterfecttence Heb. 2.9 and not the Presenttence James 5.10 for Christs death is said to be a suffering of death a long time after he was dead and alive again and glorified at the right hand of the Father The word suffering sometimes respects not the presenttence but the preterimperfecttence the Prophets are said to be set out for an example of SUFFERING and of p●tience long after their S●V FFERING was over so that the word S●V FFERING is of no strength for you to build your conceit on and the Text in Iude doth not say as you said that they ARE suffering that word you put in to help you but it will not cover you And Secondly that it was the sufferings of the Sodomites bodies by that fire that came down from Heaven is evident because Iude faith that they are set forth for an example now if it be meant of the suffering of the Soulin Hell as you say then I pray what example is it for unusuall judgements are alwayes used for examples but it is no unusuall thing for the souls of ungodly to suffer in Hell now or hereafter according to both our opinions but to see God rain down Fire and Brimstone to destroy a Nation or City that is not usual but a remarkable judgement and therefore set forth for an example and such was that of Sodoms SUFFERING And Thirdly You can never prove any other suffering that was inflicted on Sodom but that on their bodies the which if you can I shall wait on you to see it and so shall pass taking no notice of your Authors supposing that they may possibly be as ignorant as your self And whereas you say in your twentieth page that Jude tells us that they are now suffering I say you do not almost but altogether give the Scripture the lye for the Text doth not say that they ARE now suffering but you say that if the Devills now suffer in hell then it is also plain that Sodom suffereth in hell but you would prove one if you could and include the other that the Devil is not in torments is plain Why art thou come to torment us before the time peradventure you will say that they were not in the depth of torments but you will say they were in some the which I deny that they were in any torments onely cast out of Heaven First The Devil not in Hell viz. the lake which is the second death for then they could nor compass the earth and come before the Lord the which they did because if they had been in hell viz. the lake that they shall in future be put in then they could not have walked to and s●o in the earth nor appeared before God when the Sons of God met together for there is such a gulf that they that are there cannot come before God and when once they come there they shall not have their liberty to walk to and fro but shall be tormented day and night in the lake of Fire and Brimstone and as yet they are called the Prince of the aire and the god of this World but they shall be cast down into the earth and also bound a thousand years and afterwards loosed again before they be cast into that Lake and whereas Peter faith that they were cast down into hell and reserved unto the judgement of the great day I Answer Psal 16.10 Exod. 2.27 and 3.1 Jona 2.2 Isa 5.14 Hell in Scripture is taken several wayes sometimes for the Earth and sometimes for the Sea as Ionah cryed to the Lord out of the belly of Hell the which is meant the sea or the Whale take it which way you please and sometimes it is taken for captivity and whereas you cite the Greek word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Hell is variously ●aken see Mat. 5.29 and ca. 10.28 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 it may be read hill or valley or dale it will not so fully prove the matter as you seem to suppose because if we consider that high place that they did enjoy and the place in which they were cast that is to say without the gate it might fitly be called a deep place or hell and yet not be in that Lake which is the second death no they were reserved in chains to receive their torments at the great day of judgement that is their time as they well know and not before therefore they believe and tremble to consider of their day that is coming and again you conclude that children are guilty of the second death because that Iohn saw small and great stand before God to be judged a very poor reason are all that stand before God to be judged guilty of the second death then all the godly are guilty of the second death for we must all appear before the judgement seat to give an