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A15418 Limbo-mastix: that is, A canuise of Limbus Patrum shewing by euident places of Scripture, inuincible reasons, and pregnant testimonies of some ancient writers, that Christ descended not in soule to Hell, to deliuer the Fathers from thence. Containing also a briefe replie to so much of a pamphlet lately published, intituled, An answere to certaine obiections against the descension &c. as lookes that way, and is personally directed against some writers of our Church. Willet, Andrew, 1562-1621. 1604 (1604) STC 25692; ESTC S120030 49,797 70

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with_o the_o uncircumcised_a to_o the_o nether_a part_n of_o the_o earth_n etc._n etc._n with_o they_o that_o go_v down_o to_o the_o pit_n etc._n etc._n now_o although_o we_o deny_v not_o but_o that_o these_o place_n hell_n may_v be_v expound_v of_o hell_n as_o hierom_n do_v yet_o the_o circumstance_n of_o the_o place_n will_v rather_o lead_v we_o to_o take_v it_o for_o the_o grave_n first_o because_o there_o be_v two_o word_n add_v which_o be_v proper_o so_o take_v as_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d bhor_v which_o signify_v a_o pit_n and_o be_v translate_v by_o the_o 70_o sometime_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d sometime_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d to_o descend_v into_o the_o pit_n or_o cave_n and_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d chever_z also_o which_o proper_o signify_v a_o grave_n be_v join_v with_o the_o rest_n who_o grave_n be_v make_v in_o the_o side_n of_o the_o pit_n ezech._n 31._o 23._o second_o the_o phrase_n of_o speech_n also_o give_v this_o sense_n ezech._n 31._o 18._o 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