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A04434 The svmme and svbstance of the conference which, it pleased his excellent Maiestie to haue with the lords, bishops, and other of his clergie, (at vvhich the most of the lordes of the councell were present) in his Maiesties priuy-chamber, at Hampton Court. Ianuary 14. 1603. / Contracted by VVilliam Barlovv, Doctor of Diuinity, and Deane of Chester. Whereunto are added, some copies, (scattered abroad,) vnsauory, and vntrue. Barlow, William, d. 1613. 1604 (1604) STC 1456.5; ESTC S100949 36,617 118

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complained of and that none except it vvere such as D. Reyn. who were supposed would confute them had libertie by authoritie to buy them Againe such books came into the Realme by many secret conueyances so that there could not bee a perfect notice had of their importation Secondly to the particular instaunce of Ficlerus hee saide that the author De iure c. was a great Disciplinarian whereby it did appeare what aduantage that sorte gaue vnto the Papistes who mutatis personis could apply their owne argumentes against Princes of the Religion but for his owne parte hee saide hee detested both the Author and the Applyer alike My Lord Cecill here taxing also the vnlimited libertie of the dispersing and diuulging these Popish and seditious Pamphletes both in Powles Churchyeard the Vniuersities instanced one lately set forth published namely Speculū Tragicum which both his M tie the L. Henry Howard now Earle of Northampton termed a daungerous booke both for matter intention the Lord Chauncellor also diuiding all such bookes into Latine and English concluded that these last dispersed did most harme yet the Lord Secretarie affirmed that my Lord of London had done therein what might bee for the suppressing of them and that he knewe no man else had done any thing in that kinde but he At length it pleased his excellent Maiestie to tell D. Reyn. that hee was a better Colledge man then a Statesman for if his meaning were to taxe the Bishop of London for suffering those bookes betwixt the Secular Priestes and Iesuites lately published so freely to passe abroad His Maiestie would haue him and his Associates to know and willed them also to acquaint their adherents and friendes abroad therewith that the saide Bishoppe was much iniured and slaundered in that behalfe who did nothing therein but by warrant from the Lordes of the Councell whereby both a Schisme betwixt them was nourished also his Maiesties owne cause and Title handled the Lord Cecill affirming thereunto that therefore they were tolerated because in them was the Title of Spaine confuted The L. Treasurer added that D. Reyn. might haue obserued another vse of those Bookes viz. that now by the testimony of the Priestes themselues her late Maiestie and the State were cleared of that imputation of putting Papistes to death for their consciences onely and for their Religion seeing in those books they themselues confesse that they were executed for treason D. Reyn. excused himselfe expounding his cōplaint not meant of such bookes as had beene printed in England but such as came from beyond the Seas as Commentaries both in Philosophy and diuinitie And these were the partes of the first head concerning puritie of Doctrine Touching Pastors Resident Learned To the second generall point concerning the planting of Ministers learned in euery Parish it pleased his Maiestie to aunswere that hee had consulted with his Bishops about that whome hee found willing and readie to second him in it inueighing herein against the negligence and carelesnesse which hee heard of many in this land but as Subita euacuatio was periculosa so subita mutatio Therefore this matter was not for a present resolution because to appoint to euery Parrish a sufficient Minister were impossible the Vniuersities would not afford them Again he had fouud alreadie that hee had more learned men in this Realme then hee had sufficient maintenance for so that maintenance must first bee prouided and then the other to bee required In the meane time ignorant Ministers if young to be remoued if there were no hope of their amendment if olde their death must bee expected that the next course may bee better supplyed and so concluded this point with a most religious and zealous protestation of doing something dayly in this case because Ierusalem could not be built vp in a day The Bishoppe of Winchester made knowne to the King that this insufficiency of the Cleargie bee it as it is comes not by the Bishops defaultes but partly by Lay Patrones who present very meane men to their Cures wherof in himselfe hee shewed an Instance how that since his being Bishop of Winchester very fewe Maisters of Artes were presented to good Benefices partly by the law of the land which admitteth of very meane and tollerable sufficiēcy in any Clearks so that if the Bishop should not admit them then presently a Quare impedit is sent out against him Here my Lord of London kneeling humbly desired his Maiestie because hee saw as hee saide it was a time of mouing Petitions that hee might haue leaue to make two or three First that there might be amongst vs a Praying Ministerie another while for whereas there are in the Ministerie many excellent duties to be performed as the absoluing of the Penitent Praying for and blessing of the people administring of the Sacraments and the like it is come to that passe now that some sort of men thought it the onely dutie required of a Minister to spend the time in speaking out of a Pulpit sometimes God wot very vndiscreetly and vnlearnedly and this with so great iniury and preiudice to the celebratiō of Diuine seruice that some Ministers would be content to walk in the Churchyeard till Sermon time rather then to be present at publke Prayer He confessed that in a Church new to be planted preaching was most necessarie but among vs now long established in the faith he thought it not the onely necessary dutie to bee performed and the other to be so profanely neglected and contemned VVhich motion his Maiestie liked exceeding well very acutely taxing the hypocrisie of our times which placeth all Religion in the eare through which there is an easy passage but Prayer which expresseth the heartes affection and is the true deuotion of the mindes as a matter putting vs to ouer-much trouble wherin there concurre if prayer be as it ought an vnpartiall consideration of our owne estates a due examination to whome we pray an humble cōfession of our sinnes with an harty sorrow for them and repentance not seuered from faith is accounted and vsed as the least part of Religion The second was that till such time as learned and sufficient men might bee planted in euery Congregation that godly Homilies might be read and the number of thē encreased and that the Opponents would labour to bring them into credite againe as formerly they brought them into contempt Euery man saith hee that can pronounce well cannot indite well The Kinges Maiestie approued this motion especially where the liuing is not sufficient for maintenance of a learned Preacher as also in places where plenty of Sermons are as in the Citie and great Townes In the Countrey villages where Preachers are not neare together hee could wish preaching but where there are a multitude of Sermons there he would haue Homilies to bee read diuerse times and therein hee asked the assent of the Plaintiffes and they confesse it A preaching Ministery
THE SVMME AND SVBSTANCE OF THE CONference which it pleased his Excellent Maiestie to haue with the Lords Bishops and other of his Clergie at vvhich the most of the Lordes of the Councell were present in his Maiesties Priuy-Chamber at Hampton Court Ianuary 14. 1603. Contracted by VVILLIAM BARLOVV Doctor of Diuinity and Deane of Chester Whereunto are added some Copies scattered abroad vnsauory and vntrue LONDON Printed by Iohn Windet for Mathew Law and are to be sold at his shop in Paules Churchyeard neare S. Austens Gate 1604 To the Reader THis Copy of the Conferēce in Ianuary last hath beene long expected and long since it was finished impeachments of the diuulging were many too main aboue the rest one his vntimely death who first imposed it vpon me with whome is buried the famousest glory of our English Church and the most kind incouragement to paines and study A man happie in his life death loued of the best while he liued hearde of God for his decease most earnestly desiring not many dayes before hee was stroken that he might not yet liue to see this Parliament as neare as it vvas The other an expectation of this late Comitiall Conference much threatned before and triumphed in by many as if that Regall and most honourable preceding shoulde thereby haue receiued his Counter-blast for being too forward But his Maiesties Constancy hauing by the last added comfort and strength to this former which now at length comes abroad therein good Reader thou mayest both see those huge pretended Scandales for which our flourishing Church hath beene so long disturbed obiected and remoued withall behold the expresse and viue image of a most learned and iudicious King whose manifolde giftes of Grace and Nature my skant measure of gift is not able to delineate nor am I willing to enumerate because I haue euer accounted the personall commendations of Liuing Princes in men of our sort a Verball Symony Such Flies there are too many which puffe the skinne but taint the flesh His Maiesties humble deportment in those sublimities will be the eternizing of his memory the rather because 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 to digest so great Felicity without surfet of surquedry is a vertue rare in great personages that which the K. of Heauē feared euen the King of his own choice would want The more eminent he is in all princely qualities the happier shall we be our duty as we are Christians is Prayer for him as wee are Subiectes Obedience to him as we are men acknowledgement of our setled state in him Our vnthankfulnes may remoue him as it did the mirrour of Princes our late famous Elizabeth Shee rests with God the Phaenix of her ashes raignes ouer vs and long may he so doe to Gods glory and the Churches good which his excellent knowledge be wtifieth and good gouernement adioyned will beatifie it An hope of this last we conceiue by his written 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 a Specimen of the other in this Interlocutory Conference whereof take this which is printed but as an Extract wherein is the Substance of the whole intercourse of speeches there occasioned would cause prolixity without profit what euery man said point deuise I neither could nor cared to obserue the vigour of euery obiection with the summe of each answer I gesse I misse not For the first day I had no helpe beyond mine owne yet some of good place and vnderstanding haue seene it and not controled it except for the breuity for the two last out of diuers copies I haue selected and ordered what you here see in them all next vnto God the Kinges Maiestie alone must haue the glory Yet to say that the present state of our Church is very much obliged to the Reuerend Fathers my Lordes of London and Winton their paines dexterity in this busines were neither detraction from other nor flattery of them His Highnes purposed to compose all quarrels of this kind hereby and supposing he had setled all matters of the Church it pleased him so to signifie by Proclamation after it was done but there is a triple generation in the worlde of whome the wiseman speaketh marry I say nothing for euen priuate speeches cannot now passe without the smeare of a Blacke Cole In one ranke whereof you may place our Hercules Limbo mastix whome it might haue pleased without his Gnathonical appeale to haue rested his Maiesties determinatiō being a Synopticall Theolog 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and angry that he was not so 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 haue learned the difference Diuinitie betweene Viam Regis viam gregis Many copies of diuerse sorts haue been scattered and sent abroad some partiall some vntrue some slanderous what is here set downe for the truth thereof shall be iustified the onelie wrong therein is to his excellent Maiestie a syllable of whose admirable speeches it was pitty to loose his wordes as they were vttered by him being as Salomon speaketh Like Apples of gold vvith pictures of siluer and therefore I request thee good Reader when thou commest to any of his Highnes speeches to turne Martial his Apostrophe vpon me Tu malé iam recitas incipit esse tuus and I will take it kindly If thou bee honest and courteous thou wilt rest satisfied and that is my content to lay a pillow for a dog sortes neither with my leysure nor purpose Farevvell Thine in Christ Iesu W. Barlow THE FIRST DAYES Conference THe day appointed was as by his Maiesties Proclamation we all know Thursday the 12. of Ianuary on which there met at Hampton Court by 9. of the Clocke all the Bishops and Deanes summoned by letters namely the Archbishop of Canterbury the Bishops of London Durham Winchester Worcester S. Dauids Chichester Carlell and Peterborow the Deanes of the Chappell Christ-Church Worcester Westminster Paules Chester Windsor with Doctor Field and Doctor King Archdeacon of Nottingham who though the night before they heard a rumor that it was deferred till the 14. day yet according to the first summons thought it their dutie to offer themselues to the Kinges presence which they did at which time it pleased his Highnes to signifie vnto the Bishops that the day hauing preuented or deceiued him he would haue them returne on Saturday next following On vvhich day all the Deanes and Doctors attending my Lordes the Bishops into the Presence-Chamber there wee found fitting vpon a forme D. Reynoldes D. Sparkes M. Knewstubs and M. Chaderton Agentes for the Millene Plaintiffes The Bishoppes entring the Priuy-Chamber stayed there till commaundement came from his Maiestie that none of any sort should bee present but onely the Lordes of the Priuie-Councell and the Bishoppes vvith fiue Deanes viz. of the Chappell Westminster Powles Westchester Salisburie who beeing called in the doore was close shut by my Lord Chamberlaine After a while his excellent Maiestie came in and hauing passed a fewe pleasant gratulatiōs with some of