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A70970 Remarks upon the navy. The second part containing a reply to the observations on the first part : with a discourse on the discipline of the navy, shewing that the abuses of the seamen are the highest violation of Magna Charta, and the rights and liberties of English men / 1700 (1700) Wing R949A; ESTC R4016 19,110 35

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but after Recovery endeavoured to return to his proper Ship if in the way or entred himself in any other Ship or Vessel within reach or that he was Impressed when endeavouring so to do the Q has been taken off and he restored to his Pay Now the question is what those reasonable Testimonials are a few Guineas to young Fudge I believe as good a Testimonial as can be But what do Testimonials Certificates or things of that nature signify if they won't receive them He tells you p. 21. That the Lords of the Admiralty did in less than six months time relieve at least 750 of the seventeen hundred Persons that made Application How long was it before their Cause was heard How long had their Petitions lain at the Board It was near six months before the seven hundred and fifty were relieved and before the seventeen hundred can be relieved it will make it up eighteen months or thereabouts Now suppose before they were heard their Petitions lay but 6 Months this added to the 18 Months makes two Years and suppose some of these Men have but six or twelve Months pay due to them is it worth while to attend two Years to sollicite for six Months Wages which they are not certain of getting at the two Years end He tells us pag. 22. That the Seamen have been much wanting to themselves and Families as to forfeit their Pay by turning their Back upon their Duty When Men have been five or six Years in the Service without one penny of Wages can you blame them Who would not turn their Backs upon such a Service Are a Servant's Wages forfeited because he deserts his Master's Service Are not his Wages as recoverable by Law as they were before he deserted 'T is much to be feared that Men are thus kept out of their Pay on purpose to make them desert the Service for the Money for their Service is without doubt brought into the Pay Office and the longer it lies there the better it is for the Cashiers The very Interest thereof comes to something they may lend it the Government at 8 per Cent. I rather think the Sailors are more wanting to themselves and Familys by entering into the Service than by leaving it For in a Merchant-man they might meet with good Usage and good Pay And suppose the major part of the Sailors of the English Navy are impressed into the Service must they be made Prisoners and lose their due for giving themselves that Liberty wherein the Laws of their Country of God and Nature have set them free I believe if young Fudg were to be whipt and pickl'd for 22 i. 6 d. per mensem he would near hand desert the Service These Men do not run away from their Pay but they run away because they are not paid but young Fudg is like the Fellow that beat his Dog till he stank and then beat him for stinking Now our Naval Politicks are quite spent the whole Store of Admiralty sense and railery is at an end for Fudg repeats in pag. 23. the very same dull stuff that preceded in page 22. And upon the whole Sir have you not here a very fine Account of the Management of your Navy This is an entire System of our Naval Politicks written no doubt permissu emendationibus Superiorum If we are to be invaded you see our Ships Stations at that time must be in the Downs this is but a sample of their wonderful Sagacity and what we must expect from their Conduct And as for their Naval Discipline I hope I have set you right in that Point for tho I must needs acknowledg a Discipline in the Navy to be very necessary yet there 's difference betwixt staring and stark mad Men ought to be kept to their Duty but not by such severe and inhumane Methods as shall frighten them from the Service By such a Discipline we shall have no Men to exercise our Discipline upon but shall act like the wise Commander who sunk his Ship to drown the Rats By such a Discipline we shall not only bring upon us the Curses of the Sailors but the Curses of God Almighty who hears the Cries of the Oppressed and punishes Kingdoms for such acts of Violence These Men that impose such strict Discipline on others have none among themselves If their Attendance at their respective Offices were enquired into you will find as much reason to prick them Run as the poor Sailors Some of them can be absent three or four Months together and yet receive their Pay without any Q or R. We are not you know Sir in Debt and therefore can allow one of the Victuallers to look after his Oxen in the Country at Summer to sell them a good pennyworth to the King at Winter Bring but our Sailors upon the same foot with the Commissioners of the Navy and Victualling let their Ships be double mann'd as those Offices are double Commissioner'd that one half may do Duty while the t'other half is absent and we 'll no more complain of Q's and R's I am sure Sir I have not mispent my Time if these few Pages prove any ways serviceable to the common good of my Country Tho indeed I should have taken no notice of my trifling railing Observator had I not before resolved to publish my Thoughts on the Discipline of the Navy How considerable soever he may think himself because he occupies an immerited Office under the Government he thinks himself unanswerable as you may see in the very first Paragraph of his Book with which I shall conclude says he It might have been reasonably believed that the Author of a late Pamphlet relating to Mismanagements in the Navy would have left of Scribling since the Answer to his last Year's Politicks left him so little Reputation Now you must know Sir that young Fudg last Year printed an Answer to my State of the Navy It contain'd about as much stuff as a halfpenny Ballad tho not half so much sense But because no body took any notice of him he thought every Body acquiesc'd with his Opinion and that his Nonsense pass'd as current with Mankind as a Seaman's Ticket does for 7 s. and 6 d. in the Pound It is impossible for a Man that has no Reputation to blast the Credit of another in the Opinion of good and just Men the only Persons whose Favour Iesteem and I can assure young Fudg if he adds a dung Cart full of Lies to the Wheel-barrow he has fill'd already I should not stain my Reputation to rake in his Dirt. The reproaches of Fools the scandals of the Rabble are no cause of Resentment to Men that know better how to employ their Thoughts nor am I any more concerned at things of this nature than the Moon who keeps on her steady and constant Course while all the little Dogs in the Parish are barking at her FINIS The First Grievance is Queries THE Nature and Effect of those