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A04208 A Christian and modest offer of a most indifferent conference, or disputation, about the maine and principall controversies betwixt the prelats, and the late silenced and deprived ministers in England tendered by some of the said ministers to the archbishops, and bishops, and all their adherents. Jacob, Henry, 1563-1624. 1606 (1606) STC 14329; ESTC S120767 28,632 54

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subject only to the authoritie and jurisdiction of the Civill Magistrate to whom at all times they are willing and readie to yeeld an account of all their actions and to humble themselues under their censures for any thing they shal be found to offend in Conforming themselues unto their willes in all things alwayes so farre as they may with a good conscience and where they cannot so doe submitting themselues to all such punishment as it shall please them to impose upon them 15. That if it seeme not good to his Majestie the state for reasons best knowne unto themselues to admit of so indifferent honest and reasonable a Conference yet it would please them to requyre the Prelats to publish a direct and full answer to such bookes as haue upon occasiō of the late stormes been published viz. The Abridgement set forth by the Ministers of Lincolne Diocese The Demands Considerations Reasons proving a necessitie of reforming our Churches in England The old Protestant and New formalist The Treatise of Divine worship The 12 Arguments The English Puritanisme and the Protestation c And that it may be lawfull for the Ministers modestly and directly to reply vnto the said Answers as also to any of the bookes which are lately or haue been heertofore written against them their cause and to publish the same in print with leaue of authority which they under take and binde themselues with all convenient speed faithfully and honestly to performe they protesting heere before Almightie God the searcher of all hearts and the just revenger of all hypocrisie that to their knowledge there hath as yet no material thing been writtē against them in these foresaid Propositions or any other Controversie betwixt them and the Prelats but they are able to giue a reasonable and just reply unto the same and that by those bookes which haue been published against them they haue been rather confirmed strengthened in the sayd opinions which they hold against the Prelats then any way satisfied or answered as shall appeare to all the world by Gods gracious assistance if they may haue permitted unto them that liber tie to publish their writings to the world which the Pre lats take unto themselues 16. That if this most reasonable and just course of composing these controversies be denyed them yet at least they may haue free leaue to publish and to offer to the censure of the whole world nakedly and playnly all those several Arguments Reasons which they haue thought upon for the confirmation of the former Propositions as also their direct Answers to all such Arguments on the contrary side as they shall finde publ●shed in the writings of the Prelats and their adherents In all which they promise to keepe themselues closely directly to the poynts in controversy in so strict a forme that it shal be most easy for the Prelats to giue an answer unto them if so be they be in error in holding the said Propositions 3. Iust Considerations moving the Ministers to make this offer MAny of the Ministers having by reason of their Deposition from the publike Ministerie more cause occasion and leasure to studie these controversies then before doe find that the more they wade into them the more they are confirmed in that truth for which they suffer So that howsoever the intendment of the Prelats hath been by their rigorous extremitie of affliction to make them to force their consciences against conscience to yeeld that so they might rejoyce in their flesh and though the Lord hath surrered their rod to the further hardening of their hearts to ly so heavie upon some of his servants that they haue put forth their hand to injquitie yet othersome by this meanes are so far from shrinking from the profession of that truth which by their sufferings they haue honored that the more they haue sustayned for it the more by the mercy of God they see the glorious evidence of it And therefore in honor vnto that heavenly truth they can do no lesse then in the feare of God make this offer vnto the greatest enemyes therof 2. This cause which the ministers professe and witnes vnto by their constant sufferings being as they are perswaded in theire very soules and consciences a divine sacred truth and being notoriously reviled and blasphemed as a hellish error by the mouthes of the prelats their favourers one saying that he damned the discipline to Hell frō whence it came Vaghan his Con●orie in uses Powel de diap pref others publishing in print that Christ is not the Lawgiver of his Churh all generally calling our doctrine and opinion in this cause Schisme and Haeresie yea Treason and Rebellion they having receaued this grace from God not only to see the truth heerein but to seale and confirm it by their sufferings thinke it a most bounden duty that they owe vnto their Lord and master Iesus Christ whose Ministers and Servants they are by all good meanes to iustifie the same yea though they neither had suffered nor should suffer for it Much more now when as by the providence of God they haue in themselues their wiues and children sustained indured so heavy things for it And a more honest moderat Christian and religious defence or Apology they cannot yeld vnto it thē by making such an offer as this is to the avowed enemyes thereof 3. It is notorious vnto all the world what indignities sianders false accusations and calumniations ouer and besides the other Legall proceedings as they are pretended to be the Prelats and their adherents in their privat speeches publike sermons and writinges lay vpon those Ministers that hold maintaine this cause proclaiming thē to be Obstinat Refractarie persons Enemyes to the King State Notorious manifest Schismatikes Turbulent spirits Chaplin wel in 〈◊〉 Considetions Contemptuous and disdayning the Authoritie of their lawfull Gouernors presumptuous and wilfull Contenders with the Magistrat Impugning his authority in thinges indifferent and Soueraigntie in Ecclesiasticall cause False Prophets Members rent and cut of from the Church of God Runawayes from their Ministery some standing vpon these points of difference not for conscience but for carnall respects som because otherwise they knowe not how to be maintayned but by depending on that faction som to gratify their benefactors patrons and to please their friends som for discontentment and want of preferment som for giddines of innovation som for pride of hart and selfeloue som for hatred of order and restraint of their libertie som for ignorance yet willfull because they will not knowe the state of the question some to retaine the opinion of constancy c. Now it being the duty of every Christian even for Christs sake and the Gospells which he doth professe to cleere his innocencie against such false and impious slanders much more is it fit for the Ministers of the Gospell being thus wickedly traduced so to do And therefore they
A CHRISTIAN AND MODEST OFFER OF A MOST INDIFFERENT CONFERENCE OR DISPVTATION ABOVT the maine and principall Controversies betwixt the Prelats and the late silenced and deprived Ministers in England TENDERED BY SOME OF THE SAID MINISTERS TO THE Archbishops and Bishops and all their adherents 1. Thess 5.21 Trie all things and keepe that which is good Ioh. 7.24 Iudge not according to the appearance but iudge righteous iudgment Ioh. 18.23 If I have evill spoken beare witnes of the evill but if I haue well spoken why smitest thou me Imprinted 1606. TO THE HIGH AND MIGHTIE PRINCE IAMES BY THE GRACE OF GOD KING of great Britaine France and Ireland Defender of the faith c. MOst High and mightie Soveraigne As it is the office of every Christian to endevour by all good lawfull meanes to procure the peace and prosperitie of Sion so is it principally required of the Ministers of the Gospell of Iesus Christ not onely that they be Gods Remēbrancers giving him no rest untill he set up Ierusalem the prayse of the world but also that they be humble suiters unto those that under him be in supreme soveraigne Authority that according to their places they will become nursing Fathers nursing Mothers to the Churches of God within their Dominions And as this is a duety that lyeth both upon Minister people at all times for the neglect whereof they shal be accountable to that great and mightie God whose servants they are so are they then especially to be carefull of it when they see the truth of God and the Ordinances of Christ Iesus the sole King and Prophet of his Church to be opposed oppugned and the syncere Professors of the Gospell maligned and traduced yea oppressed and in a sort troden under foote by men who seeke nothing but themselues and who for the maintayning of their owne Pompe and for the feeding of their idle bellies stick not to wrest the Scepter out of the handes of Christ and to thrust him out of his chaire of Estate The consideration hereof most deare and dread Soveraigne hath imboldened vs Gods most unworthy servants your Maiesties loving and loyall Subiectes at this time to cast downe our selues at your royall feete and to craue your Princely favour Your Maiestie knoweth right well what Controversies there haue been amongst us in this lād about the Prelacy Ceremonies Subscriptiō ever since the bright shinīg beames of the glorious Gospell of Christ first dispelled chased away the foggie mistes black darknes of Popery from out of our coastes You know likwise how hotely egarly the Approbatiō of these things hath been vrged by the Prelates who being wise in their generation haue left no stone vnrolled for the upholding of their ruinous tottering kingdome they having from time to time not onely reviled and disgraced both in Pulpit and in Print those whom they call their brethren and fellow servants of Iesus Christ who out of a fervent Zeale of the glorie of God and a perfect detestation of Poperie haue witnessed against these Corruptions but having also suspended deprived degraded and imprisoned them yea caused them to be turned out of house and home denyed them all benefit of law and used them with such contempt contumely as if they were not worthy to liue upon the face of the earth Shall these Controversies be kept a-foote for ever Shall they not once be finally decided determined Will it not be misery in the latter end if the Prelates be not restrained in time It is true that bookes haue been and are daily written on both sides and yet the differences are as great and greater now then they were at the first and so are like still to be unles by speciall order from your Maiestie the matter may once come to some such direct and iust Triall as is heere offered Wherein that your Maiestie may be the more willing and readie to harken unto us we beseech you to consider and that seriously that the Cause which here we present unto you is not our owne but that it is the Cause of Christ Iesus who is become a Suiter vnto you and desireth that he may haue Audience for whom whatsoever you shall doe it shal be remembred unto you and abundātly recompensed at that great last day of account when you shall come to stand before his Tribunall who is King of Kinges and Lord of Lords who is not unrighteous that he should forget any thing that is done for him or for any cause of his And howsoever the Prelates and their followers do beare your Maiestie in hand that the Church-Government desired is an enemy to your Crowne and dignitie beleeue them not we hūbly beseech you neither harken to their Syren songes It is as we are readie to proue a holy Ordinance of God which will stand when all such as oppose it and blaspheme it in the eares of your Royall Maiestie shall melt away as snow before the Sunne And if by such an indifferent Conference as is heere tendered we shall not make it as cleere unto your Maiestie as the Sunne at Noone-day that the Governement of the Churches of Christ by Pastors Teachers and Elders is much more agreeable to the State of a Monarchy then is the present Governement by Archbishops Bishops Archdeacons Commissaries and the rest of that Romish Hierarchy let us then finde no favor in your Maiesties eyes Your Maiestie professed before you came to the Crowne that you did equally loue honor the learned graue men of either of these opinions Basil. dor Epist pag 11. and it is no small heartes-griefe unto us that since your comming into this land your Affections are so alienated estranged from us who haue done you no hurt in the world but haue wished you all the good that your owne soule desireth nay who before we saw your face laboured by all good meanes not without some danger to promote your Maiesties iust Title to this Crowne and haue ever since caryed our selues duetifully towards your Maiestie and peaceably in the service of God and of his Churches We are not ignorant what the Prelates doe pretend and what they suggest continually in your Princely eares they cry out against us with open mouth that we are stubberne and refractarie persons and enemies to your Soveraigne Authoritie wherein they doe both highly abuse your Maiestie and wrong us exceedingly For it is well knowne and the Lord beareth us witnes that we doe in the singlenes and synceritie of our heartes ascribe much more unto your Maiestie and the Civill authoritie under you then any Prelate in the land either doth or is willing to doe And for the matters in question we professe heere in the presence of that great God before whom we shall one day appeare to answer it if we speake not the truth that we stand not against them out of any wilfulnes or peevishnes but out of the tendernes of