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A47813 The casuist uncas'd, in a dialogue betwixt Richard and Baxter, with a moderator between them, for quietnesse sake by Roger L'Estrange. L'Estrange, Roger, Sir, 1616-1704. 1680 (1680) Wing L1209; ESTC R233643 73,385 86

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Disobedience to their Guides and of Schism and doing much more to the hurt of the Church a very great Sin Peter Lot and 't is like David did oft commit greater Sins R. B's Five Disdutes of Right to Sacraments P. 329. But a man must be guilty of more sins then Peter was in denying and forswearing Christ that is notoriously ungodly yea then Lot was who was drunk two nights together and committed Incest twice with his own Daughters and that after the miraculous destruction of Sodom of his own wife and his own miraculous Deliverance Nay a man that is notoriously ungodly in the sense in hand or Unsanctify'd must be a greater sinner then Solomon was with his Seven hundred Wives three hundred Concubines and gross● Idolatries P. 326.327 Mo. And are These the Saints Gentlemen that you are afraid should be cast out for Schismatiques They must be of your own Canonizing then for I assure you I finde no such Saints in our Kalendar But let me hear I beseech you whom we are to keep out and whom to take in Ri. We must either Tolerate All men to do what they will which they will make a matter of Conscience or Religion and then some may offer their Children in sacrifice to the Devil and some may think they do God service in killing his Servants c. Or else you must Tolerate no Errour or fault in Religion and then you must advise what measure of Penalty you will Inflict Church-Divis P. 363 364. Mo The two great Difficulties will be to say what Errours are Tolerable and what not and then to bring the Magistrate and the People to an Agreement upon the matter Ri If no Errour were to be a Tolerated no men were to be Tolerated and the Wisest in the World must be numbred with the Intolerable as well as the rest Church Divis. P. 348. Ba. But some People make those things to be Duties which are no Duties and Sins which are no Sins calling Evil Good and Good Evil and having made a Religion of their own confidently think that it is of God valuing all men that they have to do with according as they are nearer or further off from This which they account the way of God chusing a Church or Party to joyn with by the Test of This Religion which their Pride has C●osen Church Divis. P. 11. Thus they divide the Kingdom and Family of Christ destroying first the Love of Brethren and Neighbours in themselves and then labouring to destroy it in all Others by speaking against those that are not in their own way with Contempt and Obloquy to represent them as an Unlovely sort of Men and if the Interest of their Cause and Party require it perhaps they will next destroy their Persons And yet all this is done in zeal of God and as an Acceptable service to him Ibid. P. 12. And they think it a resisting of the Spirit to resist their Judgment P. 13. I have known too many very honest-hearted Christians especially Melancholique Persons and Women who have been in great doubt about the Opinions of the Millenaries the Separatists the Anabaptists the Seekers and such like and after earnest Prayer to God they have been strongly resolved for the way of Errour and Confident by the strong Impression that it was the Spirits Answer to their Prayers and thereupon they have set themselves into a Course of Sin Ibid. P. 162. And In truth it is very Ordinary with poor phancyfull Women and Melancholy Persons to take all their deep Apprehensions for Revelations Ibid. P. 167. Mo. Well but these people all this while take themselves to be in the right Ba. But as for that which is Contrary to Scripture I am sure it is contrary to the Will of God Church Divis. P. 166. Mo. Out of all doubt but what if They expound the Scripture One way and You Another Ba. Why if they believe That themselves which they can give you no reason to believe they must be content to keep their belief to themselves and not for shame perswade any other to it without proof If they say that God hath revealed it to them tell them that he hath not revealed it to You and therefore That 's nothing to You till they prove their Divine Revelation If God reveal it to them but for themselves they must keep it to themselves Ibid. P. 166. If they say that the spirit hath told Them the meaning of the Scripture say as before that it is not told to you which is not proved to you Ibid 167. But if we do through weaknesse or perversnesse take lawful things to be unlawfull That will not excuse Us in our disobedience Our Errour is our Sin and one Sin will not excuse another R. B's Five Disput. P. 483. He that mistakingly thinks any thing is good or bad Duty or Sin which is not so will be zealous in persute of his Mistake if he be serious for God Cath. Theol. Pref. It is an Ill sign when your zeal is beyond the proportion of your Understanding And your Prudence and Experience is much lesse then other mens as your zeal is greater Church Divis. P. 123. Beside that the more weak and worthlesse and Erroneous any ones Judgment is usually the more furious are they in the prosecution of it as if all were most certain Truth which they apprehend These are the boldest both in Schisms and persecutions Ibid. 357. Mo. But you will say that in cases where the common people may be imposed upon by Cred●lity Phancy or Weaknesse they may repair to their Teachers to set them right Ba. Even the most of Teachers take abundance of things for true and good that are false and evill and for false and bad which are true and good Much more are godly vulgar people Ignorant and consequently erre in many things Cath. Theol. Pref. And I my self was mistaken in my Aphorisms of Iustification and the Cov●nants as I have acknowledged in the same Preface Mo. You have had very ill luck Sir with your Aphorisms Ri. I must confess that when God had first brought me from among the more Ignorant sort of people and when I heard Religious Persons pray without Form and Speak affectionately and seriously of Spiritual and Heavenly things I thought verily that they were all undoubted Saints till e're long of those whom I so m●ch honoured one fell of to Sensuality and to Persecuting Formality and another fell to the foulest Heresy and another to disturb the Churches Peace by Turbulent Animositys and Divisions Church Divil P. 23.24 c. Ri. I thought once that all the talk against Schisme and Sects did but vent their Malice against the best Christians u●der those Names But since Then I have seen what Love-killing-Principles have done I have long stood by while Churches have been divided and Subdivided one Congregation of