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A27014 Sacrilegious desertion of the holy ministery rebuked, and tolerated preaching of the gospel vindicated, against the reasonings of a confident questionist, in a book called Toleration not abused; with counsil to the nonconformists, and petition to the pious conformists / by one that is consecrated to the sacred ministry, and is resolved not to be a deserter of it ... Baxter, Richard, 1615-1691. 1672 (1672) Wing B1380; ESTC R5946 61,174 146

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Essentials of a true Church That Dr. Seaman Mr. Calamy Dr. Manton Mr. Gouge Dr. Bates Dr. Jacomb and abundance more such with the people subject to them as Pastors were true Churches Prove you if you can that on Aug. 24. 1662. they were degraded or these true Churches dissolved on any reason which any Churches for 600 years after Christ would own 4. If not you seem your self to accuse their Successors of Schism for drawing away part of the people from them meerly by the advantage of having the Temples and Tythes and so gathering Churches out of true Churches so ordinary is it for self-esteeming men to talk to their own reproach and condemnation Sect. 8. But as to his second Objection I will take his part and though we differ not at all from the Doctrine of the Church of England till the new Doctrine about Infants was brought into the new Rubrick yet it is not in minutioribus that we differ from the Conformists gather from it what you can God knoweth we think the matters in difference very far from things indifferent CHAP. V. Whether the Declaration make the Non-conformists preaching more lawful or their duty than it was before Sect. 1. HIs Sect. 2. Pro. 2. is impertinent For 1. He knoweth little if he know not that the Nonconformists did before take such preaching and meetings to be lawful and a duty in respect of the Law of God where they had opportunity to use them 2. But they take it for a double sin to neglect a duty when they have Liberty granted them by the King to perform it But he knoweth we take God for our absolute Soveraign and think that none can repeal his Laws because that none hath any power but from him and we suppose that he will pass the final sentence on Kings and us To what purpose is it then among Christians to question whether Men make it lawful for Christs Consecrated Ministers to preach when God commandeth it Sect. 2. But pag. 14. he thinks he may safely say that the Declaration doth not so much as uncommand and uninjoyn any thing which the Law properly commands or injoyns Answ Say you so 1. The Law commandeth Magistrates to execute the penal Laws The King forbiddeth them Is not that to uncommand them 2. The Law commandeth us not to meet above four in a private house for worship otherwise than c. The King suspendeth or dispenseth with this Command and not only with the penalty And is not a suspension of a Precept an uncommanding though not a commanding of the contrary I will not instance in Juries indicting Papists c. Sect. 3. But he subtilly tells us that the Declaration meddles neither with the Preceptive nor Punitive parts of the Law but only with the Execution which is extrinsick to both All Lawyers must come learn anew of him what it is to dispense with a Law As if the Command You shall examine and punish such such men and the prohibition You shall not punish them but protect them were not contrary Nor the prohibition You shall not meet above four c. and the dispensation You may meet c. Sect. 4. But all this is utterly impertinent to them whose Consciences never allowed them to forbear their Ministry in formal obedience to any mens prohibition but only when they had not power or opportunity to exercise It 's no duty which cannot be done And License maketh that possible which was impossible He that untieth my feet accidentally maketh it my duty to go Sect. 5. pag. 16. Let Mr. Crofton answer for himself but the other two named by you Ball and Baxter have much against you but nothing for you and understand themselves better than you understand them and he that surviveth taketh himself to be abused by your Allegations and provoketh you to cite any of his words which are against Nonconformists preaching as they have opportunity If you had rather that we were all used as Mr. Jos Allein was you may see by his Preface to his Life whether he was not for such sufferings rather than silence Sect. 6. His reviving his pitiful Objection That we have the approbation of Authority for separation is but a contemptible sporting of himself at the game he is best skilled at Objecting nothing that he may seem to answer it with something Sect. 7. But p. 18. he will bring us to Vtopia Morus invented it and there he will suppose the Villanies of Theft Murder and Adultery unpunished and publick Meetings allowed where they should be practised Answ 1. What should the poor Nonconformists hear if they thus Commented on the Clemency of the King 2. But because you will force dumb men to speak suppose that in the same Utopia the Philosophy Schools which had faithful Teachers and the Christian Churches that had faithful Pastors were deprived of near 2000 of them at once and those that came in their places had the consent but of the least part of the people and that they were such as did Doctrinally declare to the people that millions may be PER ● without sin that they ex animo approve of all the Gregorian Liturgie and every thing therein and of all the Lutherans Consubstantiation and Church-Images and when in Baptism they had vowed to fight against the World the Flesh and the Devil under Christ they should contrarily upon deliberation make a solemn publick Covenant that in their places callings they would never endeavour to reform Cardinals Inquisitions High-places Consubstantiation Church-Images or Church-tyranny so in part renounce their Baptism And suppose a clement Prince should release the ejected Teachers from their restraints and allow them to set up private schools of Philosophy and Divinity and the people should say We cannot in conscience cast our Souls on the guidance of the PER ● and therefore crave the benefit of your conduct If these suffering men shall seek to reconcile them to the PERS ● and desire them to have a better opinion of them but yet tell them that they will not deny them their own best help Quaere whether they sinned by not being PER ● themselves or by not being cruel deserters of mens Souls and which side is to be compared to the Murderers and Adulterers I know this is not our Case in England but if we must follow you into Utopia or Moria let us have the equitable judgment of the place CHAP. VI. Of the Inconveniencies of our Tolerated Meetings Sect. 1. NOthing more easie than for men that have some great advantages to force inconveniencies upon other mens greatest Duties And we look to do nothing in the World scarce that shall have no inconvenience I eat not one meal of ten that doth not make me sick But must I therefore give over I can tell you of more than a few inconveniences of your own preaching and Church-worship and yet you will not give it over But if any shall make those inconveniencies against our wills