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A80158	Responsoria ad erratica pastoris, sive, vindiciæ vindiciarum. Id est, the Shepherds wandrings discovered, in a revindication of the great ordinance of god: Gospel-preachers, and preaching. By way of reply and answer to a late booke, called, The peoples priviledges, and duty guarded against the pulpit and preachers encroachment. And their sober justification and defence of their free and open exposition of scriptures. Published by William Sheppard, Esq. Wherein Mr Sheppards pretended guard, consisting of ten propositions and ten arguments, is examined, and found to wear nothing by wooden swords. And all his replyes to Mr Tho. Halls arguments, and Mr Collinges arguments in his Vindiciæ ministerii, brought against not ordained persons ordinary preaching, are found but cavils and too light. And the truth still maintained, ... in that, preaching and expounding scripture publiquely, are proper acts to gospel officers; not common to all. Wherein also the great question, how far the spirit of God ... dothïnable them to understand scripture is opened, ... / By John Collings, M.A. and preacher of the Gospel in Norwich.	Collinges, John, 1623-1690.	1652 (1652)	Wing C5331; Thomason E672_1; ESTC R207127	122,201	185

Saint of God under a temptation and a son of perdition and three profane wretches 2. Nor are Heretickes so thin amongst us as amongst the Apostles 3. Nor did Christ and the Apostles use a direct meanes to propagate errours as we argue this would be But you tell us where the spirit dwells it leades into truth and not errrur This is truth Sir but to what purpose hence I conclude therefore they that are led by the spirit neither lead others into errours nor are led themselves but unlearned preachers doe both 2 Pet. 3.16 2. The evill spirit may sometimes lead those into errour in whom the spirit dwells this is a temptation Saints may be under and it is one ready way to be brought into it to usurpe acts of office and run before they are sent when they run out of Gods way the spirit of God leaves them The fourth ill consequence we urged was That by this means Preachers and preaching in office would he uselesse and contemptible To the latter you answer 1. The same might have beene said of the Priests under the law Right and was it not so see Num. 16.3 what Corah Dathan and Abiram say you take too much upon you seeing all the Congregation are holy every one of them and the Lord is amongst them wherefore then lift up your selves aboue the Congregation of the Lord. 2. You say you doe not believe it because you have seene the contrary in your own experience None so blind as they that will not see Sir I durst undertake for one that you can shew me that being a private person gifted and a publike preacher that yet continues with an humble sober heart under the aw of Gods ordinances and honouring the Lords publike officer I will shew you twenty that are either above Ordinances or slighters and contemners of the Ministers of the Gospell 3. You tell us This is certaine Those that honour God God will honour that 's our comfort Sir and we doubt not but God will doe it here or hereafter Dan 12.3 but that is no warrant for our spitting on them You say This will not make the preachers office less use● full and necessary for God in his wisdom and mercy will have some whose office it shall be to take care of the soules of his people c. Right Sir God will but man would not and what you have here said will be an argument against you If this be Gods Ordinance and will surely he would not have all usurp the peculiar acts of his office as this doth See my Vindiciae Ministerii p. 96 37. CHAP. XXI In which Mr. Sheppards 70 71 72 73 pages are examined and answered and his answers to eleven objections scann'd and found very weake Pulpit guard p. 25 26. YOu are now come to answer my brother Halls eleventh Argument which was this They which have no promise from God of divine assistance cannot comfortably or succesfully undertake the work But private persons turning preachers without a call have no such promise Ergo. To this you answer 1. By denying the Minor and you tell us there is a promise to a right hearing Truth sir but this is not a right hearing for how shall they heare without a preacher and how shall they preach except they be sent Ro. 10.15 2. You say There was a blessing followed the preaching of those scattered upon the persecution of Stephen Acts 8.1 4. Act. 11.21 I answer 1. You are to prove 1. That they were not in office 2. That they had not the extraordinary guifts of the holy Ghost 3. That they preached in a constituted Church ordinarily when the people might heare such as were in office You will come short in this proofe 3. It is false that you say we may as well say there is no promise made to private teachings and exhortings of one another They are commanded duties which when rightly performed have promises annexed constantly In the next place you come to my brother Halls 17 Argument p. 48. and my seventh p. 46. My Argument was this It is likely that that tenet which the Churches of Christ have in all ages rejected and that practice which the Churches of Christ in all ages have decried and avoyded is not a truth of Christ But the Churches of Christ in all ages have rejected and decried this opinion and practice Ergo. Now let us heare what you say against this 1. You say You are to live by Rule not by example 1. Truth sir but you can shew us no Rule for you 2. Neither is there any Rule that hath not been put in practice by some of the Churches of Christ 3. Where you can onely say It is not directly forbidden not that it is absolutely necessary Example Sir if generall or of the most is not to be despised 4. Surely the Apostle said something when he said we have no such customs nor have the Churches of Christ 1 Cor. 11.16 You say it was not so in the primitive times Prove that Nor so every where this day What 's that to the purpose we have generally sad examples in this age We told you That many of these Lay-preachers were such as denied Scripture ordinances Duties Obedience to Magistrates Sabbaths Fastings To this you answer 1 None that are led by the Spirit doe so They doe it may be speak against the abuse of duties and peoples resting on them and performing them carnall Sir notwithstanding this shamelesse insinuation we would have you know we are as much against and preach as much against resting in duties that high idolatry and carnall performance of them as any others can or doe 2. You say None that are led by the Spirit doe so But many guifted brethren doe so Ergo. Again we say For Magistracy you appeale to all the world who more alienate the peoples affections from our present governers the preachers or the guifted brethren 1. What 's this to the purpose doe preachers in Office preach down Magistracy 2. Any one is good when he is pleased Suppose our Parliament should forbid private persons preaching or severely punish errours and heresie what would you do then we can tell you when the guifted brethren were not such friends to the Magistrates or Magistracy of England 3. What if some Ministers not all Sir were for a while unsatisfied in the late change was there nothing in it Sir that might startle a tender conscience 4. We believe that our Parliament doth and in seven yeers time will more thinke them like to be best subjects who most feare an oath and are most tender of doing any thing which might make an appearance of the breach of it Another Objection you say we make is It is against Gospel precepts and order 1 Tim. 5.1 22. Act. 13.3 You aime here I believe at my first Argument p. 23. But you are so wise as not to put it in the forme I put it To this you answer nothing but Magisterially deny it

Responsoria ad Erratica Pastoris SIVE VINDICIAE VINDICIARUM ID EST The Shepherds Wandrings discovered in a Revindication of the great Ordinance of GOD Gospel-Preachers and Preaching By way of Reply and Answer to a late Booke called The Peoples priviledges and duty guarded against the Pulpit and Preachers encroachment And their sober justification and defence of their free and open exposition of Scriptures Published by William Sheppard Esq Wherein Mr Sheppards pretended guard consisting of ten Propositions and ten Arguments is examined and found to weare nothing but wooden Swords And all his Replyes to Mr Tho. Halls Arguments and Mr Collinges Arguments in his Vindiciae Ministerii brought against Not ordained persons ordinary preaching are found but cavils and too light And the Truth still maintained That those that dig in the Lords Vineyard must be sent in that Preaching and expounding Scripture publiquely are proper acts to Gospel-Officers not common to all Wherein also the great question How far the Spirit of God that dwels in all the Saints doth or doth not inable them to understand Scripture is opened And in it is plainly discovered by Mr Sheppards wrestings and mis-applications of Scripture that himself hath not such a spirit of Scripture interpretation as is fitting for them that publickly open the Scriptures and in the Preface is shewed how much the holy Spirit of God is abused in these evill times By John Gollings M.A. and Preacher of the Gospel in Norwich Is 28.20 For the bed is shorter then that a man can stretch himself on it and the covering narrower then that he can wrap up himselfe in it Quis enim mediocriter sanus non facile intelligat Scripturarum expositionem ab iis petendam esse qui earum doctores se esse profitentur Fierique posse inermo id semper accidere ut multa indoctis videantur absurda quae cum à doctoribus exponuntur eò laudanda videantur elatius quo abjectius aspernanda videbantur eo accipiantur aperta dulcius quo clausa difficilius aperiebantur D. Aug. de moribus Eccl. Cathol Manichaeorum t. 1. operum impr Col. Agrip. p. 286. col B. I. London Printed for R. Tomlins at the Sun and Bible neer Pie-corner 1652. A PREFATORY DISCOURSE CONTAINING The Authors reasons of his undertaking this work and severall things of moment are discovered in it concerning the motions and impulsions and workings of the Spirit tending to the trying of the Spirits And humbly directed To all such in England as feare the Lord and desire to make his Word a Light unto their feet Deare Friends IT is now Twelve moneths since I presented you with my Vindieation of the Gospel-Ministry Some discouragements I had in that worke for when my notes were finished that very week came out Mr Halls Book of the same subject Pulpit guarded and I heard of more Elaborate labours then ready for the Presse upon the same Subject The nature of my Subject spake for me that I sought not in it to please Men but to shew my selfe a Servant of the Lord Jesus Christs The Jezebel of Libertinisme looked out at the window and I apprehended the Lord Jesus Christ calling who is on my side who since which time I have met with none that have opposed the truths I endeavoured to maintaine except one Collier who encountred the Pulpit-guard Pulpit guard routed by I. Collier Two things silenced my Pen as to him 1. He onely mentioned me in the last lines of his Book but bent his force against a stronger adversary who I knew was able to encounter him 2. But my chiefe Reason was my sight of his blasphemous Discourse at Axbridge which satisfied me concerning him that as his Tongue was little Slander to our cause so it was little credit to that which he pretended to Manage this made me resolve to let him alone lest I should be like unto him or make him wise in his own conceit In which resolution I was after confirmed meeting with Mr. Jerribies reserve Pulpit-guard relieved by Mr. Jerriby which I saw was enough to deale with his beggerly reason Some twelve dayes since there came to my hands Mr. Sheppards Book called The peoples priviledge and duty guarded Though I have little time to attend Reading or answering Pamphlets and am the meanest servant of the Lord Jesus Christ in that work yet several things prevail'd with me to the present undertaking of which I will give thee a briefe account The first was the Credit of the Gentleman that wrote it William Sheppard Esqu Sounds more them Tom Collier A second was the Sobriety of the Gentlemans spirit Had he been one that had so farre got the mastery of his conscience as to have railed on Ministers and Ministry I should onely have spread his railing paper before the Lord Is 37.14 Jude 9. and have said The Lord rebuke thee But I perceived him of another spirit and as much contending for some truth as disputing against others A Third was that he had done me the honour now and then to name me and my Booke and so engaged me in the quarrell as one of those Preachers which he is pleased to reflect upon as encroaching upon the peoples duty A Fourth was the present juncture of time There is the great designe of God under the Gospell to lead his Saints into all Truth now the father of lies is such a gainer by the darkenesse of Errour and Ignorance that he is loth Truth should prevaile too fast And for the continuall exercise of his Saints in all Ages the Lord Jesus hath beene content to dispute his ground by inches with the Devill as the Devill hath raised up some in all ages to oppose truth one truth more then other in every Age so the Lord hath raised up some Servants of his in all Ages to appeare in the defence of the Lord Jesus Christ and his Gospell Mr. Hooke● in his Preface to Survey of Church-discipline Herbert Temple sacred Poems 188. It was holy and learned Mr. Hookers notion that the Devill had beene undermining the Lord Jesus Christ in his three Offices and it was that divine Poets to it though in a little different way before him As Sinne in Greece a Prophet was before And in old Rome a mighty Emperour So now being Priest he plainly did professe Church militant To make a jest of Christs three Offices God had an Arke under the Law in which was lockt up the Golden pot that had Manna and Aarons rod that budded and the Tables of the Covenant Heb. 9 4. Exod. 16.21.4.20 Num. 17.10 Exod. 16.33 And over this were the Cherubims of Glory The Lord hath his Ark under the Gospell over which the Cherubims of glory stand and three things are laid up in it 1. The testimonie of the Gospell Covenant the pure doctrine of the Lord Jesus Christ 2. The Manna of divine worship Gospell worship and Ordinances 3. And the second

Lollards Hugonites Calvinists Puritanes Non conformists yet they bare their names with Glorying because it was for the Lords sake Blessed be God that he hath now taught our enemies a Scripture name Presbyter is a name of the Lords owne coyning Tit. 1.5 1 Pet. 5.1 2 Ep. Jo. v. 1. 3 Ep. v. 1. c. I confesse Christians that name next the name of Christian is my glory and the next Scripture name for the Ministers of the Gospell and officers of the Church After that way which they call Presbytery I desire to worship the Lord Jesus Christ in Gospell-order And if this be to be vile we must be more vile we cannot but looke upon Pastors Elders and Deacons to be the Church officers under the Gospell and thinke that the government of the Church is to be in such hands and that Synods are Gods Ordinance to which Churches ought to be subject and that errors and hereticks are not to be endured nor publike Ordinances to be administred by private hands nor the great Ordinance of the supper to be given out promiscuously and these are the great things that Presbyterians differ in both from some of their dissenting brethren and the Episcopall party and whether this charge will be enough to justifie your hatred of the Ministers of the Gospell and dividings from them in the day of the Lord Jesus Christians I beseech you seriously to consider 3. But Thirdly the Ministers are bitter Nos sic sapimus omnia prorsus ●sse reprehendenda arguenda consundenda nihil excusandis ut medio stet campo libera aperta pura veritas Porro aliud est eos quos corripueris summa mansuetudine suscipere tolerare juvare Hoc jam ad charitatis officii exemplum pertinet non administerum verbi charitas est quae omnia sustinet omnia suffert omnia sperat fides vero seu verbum prorsus nihil sustinet sed arguit devorat seu ut Jeremias dicit evellit destruit dissipat maledictus qui facit opus domini fraudulenter Lutherus loc com cl 4. p. 75. I could never yet understand this charge when a Minister might be said to be bitter or upon what score this charge lies upon them was not John Baptist so bitter when he called the Pharisees a generation of Vipers and Jesus Christ so bitter when he called them rotten painted Sepulchers doe they reprove sinne harshly and is it not their duty to Cry aloud and not to spare I would faine Fathome this Notion of bitternesse when you have considered it Christians examine whether it be not Zeale in opposition to Lukewarmenesse that you put this scandalous name upon if it be knowne that whatsoever you thinke of it they thinke it a dreadfull thing to be spued out of the Lords mouth for being neither hot nor cold against heresies and Errours and for the glory of the Lord Jesus If I rightly understand this notion it is this such a Minister is bitter why he inveighes sharpely against an opinion or practice which is mine I am perswaded many Saints of God are of it But Christians surely you will be ashamed to own this before the Lord Jesus hereafter or in a discourse here Is the Minister an holy conscientious man doest thou thinke that he verily thinkes thy opinion or way is a sinne if thou doest Christian surely thou should'st love him that he will not spare thee was not Jesus Christ thus bitter when he said to Peter get thee behind me Satan and Paul thus bitter when he rebuked Peter to his face Could David say concerning a wretch that charged him with bloud and usurpation when he so shamefully railed on him in the streets Let him alone perhaps God hath bidden him curse And if thou hast an humble heart shalt not thou say when an holy servant of God shall not raile but from Scripture reprove not in the streets but in the Pulpit where God hath set him to reprove sinne possibly God hath bidden him reprove possibly my soule may be guilty however doubtlesse he speakes what he thinkes the Lord hath bidden him speake Let the righteous smite me and it shall be like oyle that shall not breake my head yea it shall be a kindnesse for yet my prayer also shall be in their calamities Psal 141.5 E●si me Lutherus Diabolum vocaret ego tamen illum insignem dei servum agnoscam Calv. Mr. Calvin heard that Luther rail'd on him what sayes he to it sayes he though Luther should call me a Devill yet I would acknowledge him a famous servant of the Lord Jesus Christ But Calvins Doctrine and Spirit too is much forgotten 4. But the Ministers Preach nothing but damnation they Preach legally and Preach nothing but duties they should Preach priviledges Isa 30.8 Now go write it before them in a Table and note it in a Booke that it may be for the time to come for ever and ever That this is a rebellious people lying children children that will not heare the law of the Lord which say to the seers see not and to the prophets prophecy not unto us right things speake unto us smooth things prophecy deceits get you out of the way turne aside out of the path cause the holy one to cease from before us There are no conscientious Ministers but will preach the priviledges of the Gospell but they know that there are a thousand sinners and hypocrites to ten true Saints Read Mr. Sheppards Sincere Convert Mr. Hooker on humiliation Mr. Fenners Books and holy Rogers and Bolton See if they did not preach terrours as well as comforts yet who are now such instruments of God to convert soules they know there are many wanton loose professors to one strict humble close walking Christian and therefore they thinke it their duty to preach the Law as wel as the Gospell did not John Baptist preach law Math. 3.7 8 9 10. And Jesus Christ preach law Math. 25.41 And St. Paul write law to the Saints Rom. 2. v 1 2 3 4 5. c. and 2 Thes 1.10 11. Profane persons had need of law to humble them and hypocrites to convince them and loose professors to make them humble and strict But my Pen runs too farre Deare Christians the Lord keep you humble in these wanton dayes and sober in the midst of this mad generation and under an holy aw of his precious ordinances in this day of their reproach and tender of his Ministers by whom you have beene brought in to Christ in this day of their contempt and zealous for Christ Jesus in this Lukewarme time And the Lord Jesus keepe you all blamelesse to the day of his comming This is the Prayer of Your meanest servant in the worke of the Lord Jesus JOHN COLLINGS From my study in Chaply-field-house in Norwich April 26. 1652. ANIMADVERSIONS By way of Reply to a Book entituled The Peoples priviledge and duty guarded By WILLIAM SHEPHARD Esq CHAP. I. Wherein the Authors

preach in any case but such as are examined and approved by the Presbytery and that we dare not affirm for we admit it in diverse cases In none but in cases of necessity Sir and in such cases your note is false for though believing actually be the ordinary meanes of salvation yet infants may be saved without it Your answer to our argument that it is forbidden is not worth taking notice of what is not commanded in divine worship in any essentiall part of it is forbidden especially there being rules set downe for some doing of it and none for others But Sir if you will doe any thing answer my argument formally as you have it in my Vindiciae p. 23 24 25 26 27. You come to answer one of my arguments Page 67. to prove preaching a proper act of the preachers office viz. If they may preach they may baptize c. I gave two reasons for it Math. 18.19 It is in the same commission 2. The Apostle maketh it rather the greater act To this now you pretend to answer and say 1. You deny the consequence and collection nor will that Text 1 Cor. 1.17 make it out but seemes rather to hold forth the contrary Very well answered Sir and with abundance of Reason Secondly you say 2. The words Math. 18.19 I will be with you to the end may as well be applyed to the doctrine as the persons of the Apostles and to those who shall be wrought upon by that doctrine as the Apostles What 's this to the purpose I plead the Commission you expound the promise By this argument you prove they should Baptize too if the whole commission extends to all Saints You say 3. You agree that such as teach by office may Baptize but gifted brethren doe not teach by office You adde to the Scripture Sir by office is not in the Text so that this is nothing to the purpose You say 4. You deny gifted Brethren have power to Baptize because they never did but they have power to preach because they ever did it and were never forbidden but in effect commanded Your base affirmings and denyings it are but poore empty words that come to no more then wind 1. Though they never did it yet if they be commanded to doe it they ought to take up their power 2. Neither did any of them not called to office or extraordinarily gifted with the gifts of the holy Ghost now ceased in ordinary times when the Church was not under persecution ever doe it 3. I have proved before they are forbidden and neither commanded directly nor by consequence You tell us 5. That you cannot agree that preaching in a greater worke then baptisme rightly done with preaching and prayer No matter whether you agree it or no you should doe well to prove that it is necessary that all Baptisme follow or immediately goe before preaching we grant it convenient not necessary that Baptisme be administred with Preaching though you read of the Gospell being Preached Acts 2. Acts 8. before the Baptizing of the 3000. and the Eunuch yet you cannot prove I suppose that those Sermons were intentionally preached in order to Baptisme I cannot tell how you will prove what you say here that praying is a more spirituall worke then preaching I am sure neither in respect of the Subject object matter or end nor in respect of the right manner of performance You say 6. Grant it be the greater worke it doth not follow that because the people may doe that they may doe the lesse which is Baptisme for if a commission be granted to Commissioners to heare and determine lesser offences 1. But Sir the people have no commission granted them to preach 2. If there be a Commission granted to persons to heare and determine Treasons and Felonies I suppose it is a good argument to prove they may heare and determine the Felonies because they may heare and determine the Treasons and they are both in the same commission This is the case Sir Christ Jesus hath granted commission to certaine persons to preach his Gospell and Baptize if you say and prove they may Preach I will prove they may Baptize why they are both in the same Commission 3. I observe that you say nothing to 1 Cor. 1.17 where the Apostle saith Christ sent him not to preach but baptize The words cannot be understood absolutely for St. Paul did baptize the houshold of Stephanas by his own confession The meaning must be that he lookt upon preaching as his chiefe act as a Gospel Officer This you are not willing to take notice of CHAP. XX. In which Mr. Sheppards 68 69 70 pages are examined and his answer to our eighth and eleventh objections found too short IN the next place you answer our Argument drawn from the inconveniencies and evils will come of it This you have up p. 68 70 71. You divide it and make two objections I will reply to your answers in both places together It is my brother Halls twelfth Argument p. 26. edit 1. and it is a good Argument thus formd The tree which constantly and naturally brings forth corrupt fruit is a corrupt root This is our Saviours Logicke Mat. 7. not to be denied But this principle and practice brings forth naturally very corrupt fruit 1 Pet. 3.16 Ergo It is a corrupt root a plant not of our fathers planting The Minor is proved by an induction of particulars 1. It confounds offices 2. It breeds disorder 3. It opens a doore to errour 4 It destroyes preaching in office Vindiciae ministerii p. 35. 36. and makes it contemptible The first of these I u●ge p. 33 36. 5. Many of these Lay preachers deny Scriptures Ordinances Duties Magistrates Sabbaths fastings I am sure the Argument is good enough if we prove those two things 1. That naturally and ordinarily and necessarily those are the fruits 2. That constantly they have been The Apostle proves the first plainly 1 Pet. 3.16 That the unlearned wrest the Scriptures to their own destruction Experience proves the latter Let us heare your cavils 1. We say Offices are usurped and confounded by it To this you say nothing more then you said before that they doe not preach as officers that 's the substance of all and the drift of your similitudes from Bakers and Brewers comes to no more We answer 1. That you cannot prove any preaching in Scripture but what was an act of office 2. If a man bake his own bread or brew his own beere I know none hath any thing to say to him but suppose he bakes for all will buy what becomes of the bakers office then Sir this is our case But your similitudes are generally miserably lame 3. We told you before Reading was no proper act of the Preachers office and therefore you argue miserably to say because peoples reading the Scripture doth not confound offices therefore their preaching will not 4. To what you say that these Ordinances rightly