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A58672 A vvord to Dr. VVomocke. Or, A short reply to his pretended resolution of Mr. Croftons position concerning ministers use of an imposed liturgie. To which is annexed, a blow at Jerubbaal redivivus: discovering his weakness and errours in defence of his groundless secession from solemn publick worship ministred by the English liturgie. By R.S. the publisher of reformation not separation. R. S. 1663 (1663) Wing S140A; ESTC R219070 25,745 31

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