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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A83012	The confident questionist questioned: or, the examination of the doctrine delivered by Mr. Thomas Willes in certain queries. Published by Mr. Jeremiah Ives. Examined by counter-queries. By N.E. with a letter of Mr. Tho. Willes.	N. E.	1658 (1658)	Wing E18; Thomason E934_3; ESTC R207678	33,986	58

there was no such Necessity then must he needs acknowledge the Popish Bishops to have power of Ordination for as much as there was no other Ministers to ordain and from them they had received Ordination So that which way soever hee should turn their Call would appear to bee clear and certain Neither could the opinion of the Receivers null or annihilate the truth of their Call which could not depend upon their opinion but must needs consist in the conformity of their Ordination as to the substance of it to the primitive Institution or the necessity of the susception of the work of the Ministry as in an extraordinary case without Ordination But hee refusing either to receive satisfaction from or to make any direct Reply unto this fair Proposal manifested his intents by offering an open opposition to both in a publick Dispute if hee might bee admitted thereunto notwithstanding his Concession of both principles and thereby manifested his desire of contention rather than love of Truth and Peace the great Interests of all good Christians and upon this account his offer was and I conceive most justly rejected For my part I know no ground wee have in the Gospel to admit the enemies of the Truth and open opposites to the Gospel-Ministry as are the Sect of the Anabaptists publickly to dispute in Christian Assemblies against our Doctrine and Ministry which wee hold forth in concurrence with the universal Christian Church from the Word and Gospel Though I do beleeve there may bee a sufficient ground for dispute against the enemies of the Truth and true Religion when the Gospel cannot well by other means get footing or it may bee conducible for the further propagation of it amongst such as have not embraced it What ground there may bee for some particular dispute upon some special occasion with special Cautions and Rules to regulate it I shall not here define but only say such things are to bee ordered by Prudence according to the general Rules of the holy Scripture Thus as to that which you last desired I have I hope in the first place given you some satisfaction Only this I le adde that I received from him and some of those that were with him what I told them I expected from them from some words they spake unto that purpose even an unchristian-like abuse in slanderous and reproachful reports that I could not make good my Calling to the Ministry nor maintain in private what I had delivered in publick But besides the Testimony of persons of credit that were then present I hope I shall bee able through divine Assistance to evidence that I can make good the doctrine I have delivered Now as for your other Questions I shall answer them in order 1 As for what I spake concerning the baptizing of the children of wicked Parents I spake only as might plainly appear to them that heard mee of such as being under the outward Administration of the Covenant of Grace were to bee accounted Members of the Visible Church till juridically ejected by excommunication And I see no reason why the children of such Parents may not bee baptized under the Gospel as well as the children of the wicked Jews were to bee circumcized under the Law When God in the times of the Gospel doth more largely extend the grace of the Covenant what ground have we to abridge any of any such Ordinance whereby that grace may bee communicated And do not wee often see that God passes by the children of good and godly Parents and chuses the children of those that are evil and wicked And if it bee the outward subjection unto the external Administration of the Covenant of grace in the Parents that gives children right to this outward priviledge of Baptisme why are not the children of wicked Parents living under this outward Administration to bee admitted to Baptisme of equal right with the children of those that are truly godly and religious Now it must needs bee the Parents outward profession of the true Religion or submission to the Administration of the Covenant of grace or the inward possession of the grace of the Covenant that must give them right for their children to Baptisme The latter it cannot bee viz. the inward possession of the grace of the Covenant because this falls not under mans cognizance but now visible Administration requires some visible Evidence of the parties interest in or right to that Ordinance which is to bee visibly administred And therefore the latter it must needs bee viz. an outward profession of the true Religion an outward submission to the Administration of the Covenant of grace And therefore the children of wicked Parents being members of the Visible Church and so having a true right in Foro Ecclesiae to the Sacrament of Baptisme ought as well to bee baptized as the children of Parents are to repeat the very words as I delivered them in publick the more need there is that their children should bee solemnly engaged to God I judge it very necessary that a solemn obligation to the duties of Christianity should by Baptisme bee laid upon them But I see not why Mr. Ives should enter his exception against the baptizing of the children of wicked Parents as such unless hee sought to colour his opinion which hath ever been exploded in the Christian Church when it is well known hee is against the baptizing of any children at all 2 As for what I spake of the fifth Monarchy-men I mean that generation which in these daies is called by that name take my very words at large which were but briefly rehearsed in the Sermon excepted against for the correction of a mistake under which they were censured take them thus some there are that do openly decry the Ministry their Call Maintenance and Administrations as Anti-Evangelical and Antichristian Such are these foul-mouthed Sectaries Seducers and Hereticks Quakers Anabaptists and Fifth-Monarchy-men whose breath is the very smoake of the bottomless Pit smelling strong of the Brimstone of Hell This I spake in allusion to that whereby such like Errors Heresies and Blasphemies as are vented now adays by men of these Sects are prophetically represented Rev. 9.2 3. as some do interpret it If there are not some of all these Sects as bad as I have represented them I confess I am under a great mistake and I could heartily wish it was but onely my errour 3 And as for that charge that I should tell any Gentleman that I was informed that Mr. Ives was a Jesuite and should stirre him up upon that account to apprehend him I must needs reckon it amongst those slanders and reproaches that have been most injuriously raised against mee For though I suppose you are not ignorant that Mr. Ives is openly and commonly reported to bee a Jesuite though upon what grounds I know not whether because of his erroneous principles and extravagant Practices in his intrusion into the Office and yet opposing the Call of

for thus the word signifieth Rom. 1.5 15.15 1 Cor 3.10 All these things lye upon you to consider ere you can evince that this particular Example may bee an exception to that positive institut ion ad more must bee said ere you can make this particular instance a foundation for the constant and ordinary practice of unordained men Query 10. It is said Mal. 3.16 that THEY that feared the Lord SPAKE OFTEN one to another c. And Heb. 10.25 It is required that wee should not forsake the assembling of our selves together but exhort one another daily c. where by the light of these Texts it doth not appear 1 That Gods people ought to meet often together 2 That they may and ought to exhort one another being thus assembled 3 Whether by one another wee are not to understand any one that hath a word or gift of Exhortation as well such as are no Officers as those that are Counter-Query Doth this Text Mal. 3.16 and Heb. 10.25 prove any authoritative act of preaching to bee done by unordained men where is one such word or rational consequence do not you know that wee acknowledge Christians ought to meet together to edifie one another in mutual exhortations but ought it not bee done according to Gospel order and rule Query 11. Is it not written Rom. 2.1 2. Therefore thou art inexcusable O man whosoever thou art that judgest for wherein thou judgest another thou condemnest thy self for thou that judgest dost the same things Verse 3. And thinkest thou this O man that judgest them that do such things and dost the same that thou shalt escape the judgement of God Verse 22. Thou that abhorrest Idols dost thou commit sacriledge Whether by the light of these Scriptures your darkness is not discovered who told the people how sinful and dangerous it was to hear such as Mr. Brooks when your self hath heard him once and again And whether all the excuses that you have for such a practice will not bee arguments to justifie others as well as you And since you cryed the hearing of such men down as a general evil without any exception pray tell mee let your pretence in hearing bee what it will how can you do evil that good may come And whether by the same pretence that you can make to hear Mr. Brooks if to hear him bee sinful which is not yet proved any man may not hear in an Idols Temple or eat meat in an Idols temple and so cause his weak brother to bee emboldened in his way and make him to perish for whom Christ dyed contrary to that in 1 Cor. 8.10 11. Counter-Query Though the people are not called to hear him that is not called to preach Rom. 10.14 with 15. how shall they hear without a sent-Preacher yet may not Mr. Willes be called to correct him that is not called to preach is hee not called to that very place to instruct and teach is hee not bound to convince gain-sayers then and is hee not bound to hear therefore that hee may convince them hath any of the Congregation such a Call as this may not a Captain even while his troop is marching up against an enemy go out of his rank to view the enemy when it is death to a common souldier ought not the sheep to run away from the Wolf yet the Shepheard may stand him and pursue May not a Physitian go to one sick of the Plague yet it will bee a tempting of providence for others to do it Hath not the Minister a better Call to pluck up tares than the people to receive them But is not this a slander you lay upon Mr. Willes or do you remember the reasons of his dehortation Query 12. It is said Heb. 5.12 That when for the time yee OUGHT to bee Teachers c. I query from hence Whether here is not a Duty required and whether the Duty bee not Teaching Again whether the persons that the Text saith OUGHT to teach were not members out of Office If so then I query whether that this Teaching might not as lawfully have been performed in publick Assemblies as in private Families Since neither this nor any other Text makes the one any more unlawful than the other provided they have abilities to the one as well as to the other Counter-Query Is there in the 5. of the Heb. 12. the least ground for gifted brethrens teaching if they ought to bee Teachers ought it not to bee according to the Gospel rule Masters of families to their families Ministers to their Congregations But consider that this Text is meant either that they ought to bee able to bee Teachers or to bee actually Teachers if it speak of only the ability and power it is nothing to your purpose yet much to the Apostles who would shame them for their ignorance that had opportunity enough to bee more knowing this sense may be probable 1 Doth hee not plainly blame their ignorance under such means of knowledge because they were not capable of hard things Verse 11. so that it is a reproof that they could not understand those mysteries hee would tell them not that they were not Teachers 2 Had they been such Teachers as they ought had they not been receivers of strong meat vers 12. not stewards to provide it for others 2 But if you say it is meant of being actually Teachers you must prove it first and secondly That it is not meant of private teaching in families c. but if without reason you will say it is meant of actually publick teaching you must prove it ere wee shall beleeve you is not this spoke in general to all the Jewish Christians women are not excepted and ought they to bee teachers 2 If all the Jewish Church ought to bee actually publick teachers do not they sinne in your Church that are not so tell them the next time as indefinitely as the Text is all you my Church sinne if you do not all actually practice publick preaching if all the Church ought to be a tongue where will the hearing bee Query 13. It is said 1 Cor. 14.1 Follow after charity and desire spiritual gifts but rather that yee may PROPHESIE c. compare this Verse with the 24. but if ALL prophesie and there come in one that beleeveth not c. and Verse 31. Yee may ALL prophesie one by one that all may learn and all may bee comforted From these Texts I query whether that this was a prophesying by Gift or Office if it shall bee said it was by Office then I query whether it was by ordinary or extraordinary Office If it shall bee said That it was by extraordinary Office then it follows That the Apostle exhorted the whole Church to covet after extraordinary Offices when hee exhorted them to follow after charity and desire spiritual gifts but rather that THEY might PROPHESIE v. 1. Counter-Query Is this to aske a Question for conscience sake when you will not take