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A85387 Cata-baptism: or new baptism, waxing old, and ready to vanish away. In two parts. The former containes LVIII. considerations, (with their respective proofs, and consectaries) pregnant for the healing of the common scruples touching the subject of baptism, and manner of baptizing. The latter, contains an answer to a discours against infant-baptism, published not long since by W.A. under the title of, Some baptismall abuses brielfy discovered, &c. In both, sundry things, not formerly insisted on, are discovered and discussed. / By J.G. a minister of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Goodwin, John, 1594?-1665. 1655 (1655) Wing G1155; Thomason E849_1; ESTC R207377 373,602 521

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he_o over_o and_o over_o upon_o several_a occasion_n in_o the_o old_a testament_n 15._o testament_n num._n 3._o 30._o deut._n 17._o 6._o 19_o 15._o and_o again_o revive_v and_o confirm_v by_o the_o lord_n christ_n himself_o and_o by_o his_o apostle_n in_o the_o new_a testament_n in_o the_o mouth_n of_o two_o or_o three_o witness_n every_o word_n shall_v be_v establish_v 6._o establish_v mat._n 18._o 6._o it_o be_v also_o write_v in_o your_o law_n that_o the_o testimony_n of_o two_o man_n be_v true_a 17._o true_a joh._n 8._o 17._o in_o the_o mouth_n of_o two_o or_o three_o witness_n every_o word_n shall_v be_v establish_v 1._o establish_v 2_o cor_fw-la 13._o 1._o god_n himself_o have_v sanctify_v the_o mouth_n of_o two_o or_o three_o witness_n to_o establish_v i._o to_o ratify_v and_o confirm_v every_o matter_n of_o fact_n even_o those_o which_o concern_v the_o precious_a life_n of_o man_n so_o that_o any_o thing_n which_o shall_v be_v attest_v by_o these_o shall_v be_v take_v for_o true_a do_v not_o mr._n a._n presume_v to_o make_v that_o common_a which_o god_n have_v thus_o sanctify_v by_o disparage_v the_o testimony_n of_o christian_a parent_n neighbour_n and_o other_o as_o insufficient_a to_o ascertain_v the_o baptim_n of_o a_o person_n baptise_a in_o their_o presence_n and_o sight_n 2._o by_o another_o law_n of_o god_n the_o child_n stand_v bind_v to_o honour_v his_o parent_n how_o much_o more_o when_o they_o be_v christian_n and_o holy_a now_o whether_o it_o be_v consistent_a with_o this_o law_n or_o with_o that_o honour_n which_o child_n owe_v by_o the_o tenor_n and_o authority_n of_o it_o unto_o their_o parent_n to_o give_v they_o the_o lie_n yea_o or_o to_o suspect_v they_o of_o untruth_n and_o not_o to_o believe_v they_o when_o they_o shall_v affirm_v unto_o they_o that_o they_o have_v be_v baptise_a let_v mr._n a._n himself_o judge_v especial_o consider_v that_o there_o be_v no_o colour_n or_o pretence_n imaginable_a why_o parent_n shall_v lie_v unto_o their_o child_n in_o this_o kind_n 3._o man_n and_o woman_n stand_v bind_v in_o conscience_n to_o believe_v some_o thing_n and_o these_o of_o great_a moment_n yea_o and_o to_o act_v according_a to_o this_o belief_n upon_o far_o weak_a testimony_n and_o ground_n than_o the_o report_n of_o parent_n and_o neighbour_n &_o the_o record_n of_o register_n for_o their_o baptise_v the_o reason_n or_o ground_n which_o child_n of_o any_o growth_n or_o year_n have_v to_o believe_v that_o such_o person_n especial_o one_o of_o they_o who_o be_v common_o call_v and_o repute_v their_o parent_n be_v so_o indeed_o be_v nothing_o so_o authentic_a or_o full_a of_o proof_n as_o the_o foresay_a testimony_n and_o ground_n of_o their_o baptise_v jealousy_n and_o suspicion_n about_o the_o legitimacie_n of_o many_o child_n be_v we_o know_v rife_o in_o the_o mouth_n of_o man_n but_o i_o believe_v never_o do_v mr._n a._n hear_v the_o baptism_n of_o any_o person_n question_v which_o either_o be_v attest_v by_o the_o parent_n or_o by_o any_o parish_n register_n or_o record_n and_o yet_o person_n stand_v bind_v by_o the_o law_n of_o god_n to_o honour_v those_o as_o their_o parent_n and_o to_o perform_v all_o other_o duty_n and_o respect_n unto_o they_o which_o be_v due_a from_o child_n unto_o parent_n who_o be_v common_o call_v and_o repute_v their_o parent_n although_o they_o have_v no_o demonstrative_a proof_n of_o such_o a_o relation_n to_o they_o therefore_o much_o more_o if_o person_n be_v report_v both_o by_o their_o parent_n and_o other_o to_o have_v be_v baptize_v and_o be_v general_o repute_v so_o to_o have_v be_v they_o stand_v as_o well_o and_o as_o much_o bind_v to_o look_v upon_o themselves_o as_o baptize_v and_o to_o act_v and_o walk_v according_o as_o if_o they_o know_v with_o the_o great_a certainty_n that_o they_o have_v be_v baptize_v 4._o the_o jew_n themselves_o circumcise_v in_o their_o infancy_n notwithstanding_o the_o sign_n of_o circumcision_n in_o the_o flesh_n yet_o can_v have_v no_o other_o knowledge_n or_o certainty_n that_o this_o sign_n be_v apply_v to_o they_o or_o receive_v by_o they_o according_a to_o the_o mind_n of_o god_n or_o as_o the_o ordinance_n of_o god_n but_o only_o from_o the_o testimony_n of_o their_o parent_n or_o other_o present_v at_o their_o circumcision_n for_o how_o can_v paul_n for_o example_n tell_v or_o say_v that_o he_o be_v circumcise_v on_o the_o eight_o day_n phil._n 3._o 5._o but_o by_o the_o testimony_n and_o report_n of_o his_o parent_n unless_o we_o shall_v suppose_v that_o it_o be_v supernatural_o reveal_v to_o he_o which_o i_o think_v be_v no_o supposition_n worthy_a a_o consider_v man_n or_o however_o it_o be_v broad_o ridiculous_a to_o suppose_v that_o every_o jew_n who_o according_a to_o the_o precept_n of_o god_n be_v circumcise_v on_o the_o eight_o day_n have_v this_o supernatural_o reveal_v unto_o he_o or_o come_v to_o the_o knowledge_n of_o it_o in_o any_o other_o way_n then_o by_o the_o testimony_n of_o his_o parent_n etc._n etc._n beside_o other_o nation_n in_o the_o world_n use_v to_o circumcise_v their_o child_n beside_o the_o jew_n with_o who_o god_n make_v no_o such_o covenant_n as_o he_o make_v with_o abraham_n and_o his_o posterity_n by_o jacob_n how_o can_v any_o jew_n know_v that_o he_o be_v not_o circumcise_v in_o some_o or_o other_o of_o these_o idolatrous_a nation_n and_o so_o contrary_a to_o the_o will_n of_o god_n but_o only_o by_o the_o affidavit_n of_o his_o parent_n or_o other_o bring_v up_o with_o he_o sect._n 124._o 5._o neither_o be_v circumcision_n itself_o any_o such_o sign_n in_o the_o flesh_n but_o that_o it_o may_v be_v obliterated_a and_o deface_v and_o so_o forget_v according_a to_o that_o of_o the_o apostle_n paul_n be_v any_o man_n call_v be_v circumcise_v let_v he_o not_o become_v uncircumcised_a 1_o cor._n 7._o 8._o 6._o nor_o can_v any_o circumcise_a person_n among_o the_o jew_n know_v but_o by_o the_o report_n of_o his_o parent_n or_o other_o that_o he_o be_v so_o much_o as_o circumcise_v for_o the_o scripture_n do_v nor_o report_n or_o affirm_v that_o every_o particular_a person_n of_o the_o male_a sex_n be_v bear_v with_o a_o foreskin_n upon_o his_o flesh_n i_o mean_v with_o such_o a_o superfluity_n in_o this_o skin_n which_o be_v wont_a to_o be_v cut_v off_o by_o circumcision_n or_o that_o every_o male_a who_o want_v as_o much_o or_o more_o of_o this_o foreskin_n as_o any_o other_o not_o circumcise_v must_v needs_o therefore_o have_v be_v circumcise_v yea_o i_o believe_v there_o be_v male_n or_o man_n in_o this_o nation_n who_o though_o never_o circumcise_v yet_o have_v as_o little_a of_o that_o superfluity_n on_o which_o only_a circumcision_n wrought_v as_o many_o of_o those_o who_o have_v be_v circumcise_v 7._o neither_o be_v the_o receive_n of_o baptism_n by_o man_n and_o woman_n when_o come_v to_o year_n of_o discretion_n always_o capable_a of_o improvement_n to_o spiritual_a end_n many_o year_n after_o it_o be_v receive_v as_o if_o it_o have_v be_v new_o act_v and_o do_v before_o their_o eye_n for_o why_o may_v not_o the_o sense_n of_o some_o baptize_v in_o these_o year_n be_v as_o well_o sodden_a into_o trapezuntius_fw-la his_o temper_n as_o the_o sense_n of_o one_o of_o mr._n fisher_n antagonist_n it_o seem_v be_v 367._o be_v see_v mr._n fisher_n baby-baptism_n p._n 367._o this_o trapezuntius_fw-la be_v a_o learned_a grammarian_n and_o great_a scholar_n but_o through_o the_o violence_n of_o a_o sickness_n sustain_v the_o loss_n of_o memory_n to_o such_o a_o degree_n that_o he_o quite_o forget_v not_o only_o all_o his_o learning_n but_o even_o his_o own_o name_n 8._o and_o last_o in_o case_n it_o shall_v be_v suppose_v that_o a_o person_n who_o be_v bear_v in_o hand_n by_o his_o parent_n neighbour_n or_o parish_n register_n that_o he_o have_v be_v baptize_v shall_v yet_o be_v deceive_v by_o all_o these_o and_o be_v make_v to_o believe_v that_o which_o be_v not_o what_o grand_a inconvenience_n danger_n or_o loss_n can_v reasonable_o be_v conceive_v that_o this_o person_n shall_v sustain_v or_o incur_v hereby_o for_o whils●_n the_o sense_n of_o his_o conscience_n bear_v upon_o he_o that_o he_o have_v be_v real_o and_o true_o baptize_v especial_o be_v otherwise_o real_o and_o true_o willing_a to_o be_v baptize_v with_o the_o first_o what_o great_a improvement_n can_v they_o make_v of_o the_o remembrance_n of_o their_o baptism_n who_o have_v indeed_o be_v baptize_v than_o he_o be_v capable_a of_o make_v by_o his_o apprehension_n and_o belief_n of_o his_o be_v baptize_v yea_o as_o the_o apostle_n while_o circumcision_n be_v yet_o in_o some_o request_n speak_v of_o a_o way_n or_o method_n how_o man_n may_v make_v their_o uncircumcision_a turn_n to_o as_o good_a a_o account_n of_o benefit_n unto_o they_o as_o circumcision_n
that_o authority_n which_o they_o have_v from_o god_n otherwise_o for_o the_o confirmation_n or_o avouchment_v of_o such_o thing_n especial_o consider_v that_o the_o jew_n with_o who_o they_o have_v either_o only_o or_o chief_o to_o do_v in_o these_o reason_n subscribe_v to_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o scripture_n but_o reject_v the_o authority_n of_o the_o person_n who_o argue_v from_o they_o and_o do_v not_o own_v they_o as_o teacher_n send_v from_o god_n and_o however_o the_o apostle_n peter_n make_v the_o word_n of_o prophecy_n i._o the_o scripture_n of_o the_o old_a testament_n more_o sure_a i._n of_o great_a and_o of_o a_o more_o rational_a authority_n for_o a_o man_n satisfaction_n and_o conviction_n touch_v the_o truth_n of_o what_o they_o deliver_v then_o a_o voice_n from_o heaven_n 2_o pet._n 1._o 18_o 19_o when_o thing_n teach_v be_v of_o a_o ready_a perception_n and_o deduction_n from_o the_o scripture_n and_o the_o divine_a authority_n of_o the_o scripture_n acknowledge_v by_o the_o person_n to_o who_o these_o thing_n be_v deliver_v it_o be_v very_o unreasonable_a for_o the_o teacher_n to_o bear_v themselves_o with_o a_o strong_a hand_n upon_o their_o extraordinary_a commission_n or_o authority_n from_o god_n to_o teach_v especial_o towards_o such_o hearer_n who_o be_v hard_a to_o be_v convince_v hereof_o nor_o be_v the_o scripture-instance_n produce_v by_o mr._n a._n to_o show_v the_o contrary_a any_o way_n pertinent_a to_o such_o a_o purpose_n and_o that_o he_o be_v mistake_v in_o that_o wherein_o he_o place_v his_o great_a trust_n mat._n 12._o 8._o for_o the_o son_n of_o man_n be_v lord_n even_o of_o the_o sabbath_n day_n i_o have_v show_v elsewhere_o 6._o elsewhere_o water-dipping_a consider_v 1._o pag._n 6._o direct_v the_o reader_n where_o he_o may_v find_v a_o very_a sufficient_a account_n give_v that_o by_o the_o son_n of_o man_n in_o that_o say_n be_v not_o mean_v the_o lord_n christ_n himself_o but_o any_o person_n of_o mankind_n as_o the_o the_o phrase_n oft_o signify_v in_o scripture_n job_n 25._o 6._o 35._o 8._o esa_n 51._o 12._o 56._o 2._o psal_n 8._o 4._o 144._o 3._o 146._o 3._o to_o omit_v other_o 2._o if_o neither_o christ_n nor_o his_o apostle_n ever_o make_v the_o scripture_n or_o those_o scripture-example_n upon_o which_o they_o argue_v and_o avouch_v their_o doctrine_n the_o sole_a ground_n and_o foundation_n hereof_o by_o what_o authority_n can_v we_o do_v it_o upon_o what_o account_n can_v we_o raise_v doctrine_n from_o and_o build_v conclusion_n upon_o any_o scripture-example_n yea_o though_o the_o doctrine_n we_o raise_v and_o build_v in_o this_o kind_n be_v but_o of_o a_o moral_a consideration_n and_o of_o the_o easy_a and_o ready_a perception_n and_o deduction_n from_o these_o example_n or_o be_v they_o who_o do_v raise_v any_o doctrinal_a conclusion_n from_o any_o scripture_n example_n worthy_a reproof_n for_o so_o do_v or_o if_o mr._n a._n teach_v this_o do_v he_o not_o make_v a_o rod_n for_o his_o own_o back_n sect._n 144._o 3._o whereas_o he_o plead_v that_o the_o thing_n which_o christ_n and_o the_o apostle_n in_o the_o case_n object_v plead_v for_o example_n out_o of_o the_o law_n be_v not_o mere_o and_o bare_o institutive_a but_o of_o a_o moral_a consideration_n and_o so_o of_o a_o more_o ready_a perception_n etc._n etc._n pretend_v that_o infant-baptism_n have_v no_o moral_a equity_n in_o and_o of_o itself_o discernible_a to_o commend_v it_o i_o clear_o answer_v that_o though_o baptism_n itself_o be_v institutive_a and_o positive_a yet_o baptism_n with_o the_o several_a gracious_a end_n intend_v by_o god_n in_o it_o suppose_a which_o be_v nothing_o but_o what_o mr._n a._n himself_o as_o well_o as_o his_o adversary_n suppose_v the_o baptise_v of_o infant_n be_v of_o a_o moral_a consideration_n and_o have_v equity_n in_o and_o of_o itself_o to_o commend_v it_o if_o god_n intend_v good_a by_o infant-circumcision_a either_o to_o the_o jewish_a church_n in_o general_a or_o to_o the_o child_n themselves_o who_o be_v to_o be_v circumcise_v the_o administration_n of_o circumcision_n unto_o child_n be_v of_o a_o moral_a consideration_n and_o have_v a_o moral_a equity_n in_o itself_o to_o commend_v it_o and_o they_o upon_o who_o the_o duty_n of_o the_o say_a administration_n at_o any_o time_n and_o in_o reference_n to_o any_o person_n lay_v shall_v have_v sin_v against_o the_o law_n of_o charity_n to_o neglect_v it_o now_o there_o be_v the_o same_o or_o as_o much_o reason_n to_o judge_v as_o have_v be_v former_o argue_v and_o may_v be_v further_o in_o due_a time_n that_o god_n by_o infant_n baptism_n intend_v spiritual_a good_a either_o unto_o the_o infant_n themselves_o who_o be_v or_o shall_v be_v baptize_v or_o to_o the_o christian_n church_n respective_o as_o that_o he_o do_v intend_v the_o like_a good_a either_o to_o the_o circumcise_a infant_n or_o church_n of_o the_o jew_n by_o infant_n circumcision_n it_o roundly_o follow_v that_o infant_n baptism_n notwithstanding_o mr._n a_n opinion_n to_o the_o contrary_a be_v of_o a_o moral_a consideration_n and_o in_o this_o respect_n of_o a_o ready_a perception_n and_o deduction_n from_o the_o example_n of_o infant-circumcision_a yea_o and_o that_o they_o who_o do_v deprive_v their_o child_n of_o it_o walk_v uncharitable_o towards_o they_o and_o deserve_v reproof_n according_a to_o the_o say_n of_o beza_n 334._o beza_n baptismus_fw-la sine_fw-la impietatis_fw-la scelere_fw-la contemni_fw-la nequit_fw-la &_o gravissimam_fw-la reprehensionem_fw-la coram_fw-la deo_fw-la &_o hominibus_fw-la merentur_fw-la qui_fw-la tantum_fw-la beneficium_fw-la differunt_fw-la vel_fw-la sibi_fw-la vel_fw-la suis_fw-la liberis_fw-la accipere_fw-la beza_n opnsc._n p._n 334._o baptism_n can_v without_o the_o great_a sin_n of_o impiety_n be_v despise_v and_o they_o deserve_v a_o most_o severe_a reproof_n both_o before_o god_n and_o man_n who_o delay_v the_o reception_n of_o so_o great_a a_o benefit_n either_o for_o 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