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A20215 Answeres to certaine novations desired by some to be embraced by the reformed church some defend one part, others another part of these novations : in this treatise their chief objections are turned into questions. 1638 (1638) STC 664.7; ESTC S1042 60,919 98

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alone or one familie alone may pray privatly and ordinarly Gods word warrandeth both and if any come into the familie occasionally he may pray and use familie exercise with them the Christian calling warrandeth it But persons of sundrie families may not meet ordinarly for that end It is usurpation because the publict Preacher or Reader only should convocat persons of diverse families for divine service or in their absence they should depute another seeing the charge is theirs nothing should be done of that kinde without their concurrance When there is no publict Ministers by reason of apostasie and persecution the people then without usurpation may provide for themselves and likewise when people dwell far distant from Churches If a Pastour want a Reader he himself should do the office or cause one do it with advise of his people CHAP. II. Some forbide fathers of families to interpret any passages of GODS word to their domesticks Quest SHould the fathers of families interpret any Scriptures to their domesticks Shall not their ignorance breed error and heresies making a false glosse on Gods word Ans They should teach them making a true glosse to that effect they should frequently hear preachings read and confer with others and enquire of their Pastors the meaning of doubtsome Scriptures but some idle pastors labour not to understand the Scripture and would discharge this exercise because they can not resolve such doubts 2. Their sympathie with the papists bringeth the same arguments for hiding the light of Gods truth for the papists say that laiks should not read the Scriptures least their ignorance Breed error and heresies 3. Heresies were never bred but by the ignorance of publict preachers The opinions of private men were never so much regarded that men would follow them to strengthen their heresies 4. Paul speaketh of a Church in the house of Nymphas Col. 4.15 and in the house of Aquila and priscilla Rom. 16.5 Could these be kirks without interpretation of the word 5. Many by frequent catechising and teaching their domesticks became learned publict teachers Qui docet indoctos c. 6. The neglect of such holy exercises rather breedeth hereticall opinions both in private and publict persons 7. Iudge not before the time publict Preachers are not censurand condemned untill their herefies be known so should private men be used and though some were guiltie yet the exercise it self is lawfull and profitable to such as use it well Should planting of vines and publict preaching be discharged because Noab and Lot were drunk with wine and Arrius turned an heretick 8. Hirelings like papists would have people ignorant least too much knowledge make them take notise of the ignorance errors and lewdnesse of their teachers they are not like Paul who wished that Agrippa and all that heard him were like him in all things except his bonds Act. 26. and Moses Numb 11. wished that all the people were prophets 9. By these exercises publict preachings are better understood which faithfull Pastours should desire 10. He that careth not for his familie in temporall things is worse then an in fidell if hee neglect spirituall things he is no better Quest Who calleth private men thus to teach their families Answ GOD in his word as Deut. 4.9 10. and Deut. 11 18 19. they are commanded to teach them sitting in the house walking in the way lying down and rising up The Psal 78. from 1. to 8. biddeth men teach their children in all ages the testimonies and works of GOD. Where are they written if not in his word How can they teach them if they show not their meaning This command is not ceremoniall but morall The fift command willeth both parents and children to do their dueties Naturall parents should also be spirituall parents in bringing up their children in nurture and in the fear of the LORD How can children fear GOD without the knowledge of his word see Ephes 6.4 2. When Paul desired aged women to teach younger women Christian dueties hee made not humane philosophie the ground of their instructions but GODS word saying That Gods word bee not blasphemed Tit. 2.5 Of the dueties of familie exercise see the preceeding chapter in the answers to the fourth question CHAP. III. They forbid all set formes of prayer Q. WHat is a conceived form and what is a set form of prayer Answ All set formes are first conceived being formed according to his conception that prayeth then if any ordein them to be used again how often so ever 1 2.3 dayly c. so far are they set formes because they are set appointed for a more frequēt use 2. When Christ in garden prayed thrise using the same words Matth. 26. at the first expression it was a conceived prayer but afterwards a set form which he set and ordeined to be said againe at two diverse times 3. If people concur using the words of him that conceiveth it is a set forme to them for they conceive it not their concurrance is a second expression of the prayer it is first expressed by the conceiver Quest Do none pray nor wrestle with God by the Spirit but in a conceived forme Answ GOD commanded the high priests to blesse the people in a set form Numb 6.24 Is not GODS Spirit the inditer of all GODS word 2. When the Israelites in the wildernesse began any journey at the taking up of the ark Moses said Arise O Lord and let thine enemies bec scattered and when the ark rested hee said Return O LORD to the thousands of Israel Numb 10. Our LORD in the garden said thrise a set form and albeit the Euangelists differ in repeating the words of his prayer because they only pointed at the matter thereof yet Mark at his second and Matthew at his third prayer affirm that he said the same words and on the Crosse His complaint was words of the psalme 22.1 My God my God why bast thou forsaken me and His last prayer on the Crosse was words of the psalme 31.5 Into thy hands I commit my Spirit Hee had never a greater presence of the Spirit nor a greater wrestling with GOD against the sense of his wrath against Satan death hell and all the power of darknesse which he overcame by the same Spirit who never left him in his greatest agonie 4. Paul in the beginning of ten Epistles said Grace be unto you and peace from God the Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ they say he might well do it writing to sundrie people Thus they yeeld that some way he might have the Spirit using a set form but he wrot two epistles to the Corinths and two to the Thessalonians using this salutation and two to Timothie using another salutation 5. In psal 57.1 are the words Be mercifull to me twise repeated In psal 68.1 the foresaid words of Moses are repeated In psal 80. is a set forme thrise repeated viz Turn us again O Lord and cause thy face to shine and we
Answeres to certaine Novations desired by some to be embraced by the reformed Church Some defend one part others another part of these novations In this treatise their chief objections are turned into Questions Luke 9. verse 26. Whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words of him shall the Son of man bee ashamed when he shall come in his glory c. HET HUYS OP EEN STEENROTZ GHEGRONT SCHAEDT GEEN PLASREGEN OP STARCKEN WINT The Table CHAP. 1. Against usurping privie meeting and night meetings Chap. 2. Some forbid masters of families to interpret any Scriptures to their domesticks Chap. 3. Some forbid all set formes of prayer Chap. 4. Some forbid read prayers Chap. 5. Some interrapt Gods worship reading lines at the singing of psalmes Chap. 6. Some never sing the words Glorie to the Father c. Others sing them at all times Chap. 7. Some after divine service blesse the people in a legall manner Chap. 8. Others reject presbyteriall government Chap. 9. The baptisme of children before their years of discretion forbidden Chap. 10. They deny that Ministers admitted by bishops arc lawfully called Chap. 11. Some forbid to converse or serve God where infidels or ignorant people are present Chap. 12. They forbid preachers to read the works of learned men for understanding Gods word Chap. 13. Publict reading of Scriptures without interpretation forbidden Chap. 14. The office of Readers dissallowed by some Chap. 15. They forbid private prayers of preachers in the pulpit before publict service and they forbid all private prayers of people in Churches Chap. 16. The principall opinions of Antinomians or Libertines CHAPTER 1. Against usurping privie meetings for exercising ministeriall dueties pretending mutuall edification as also of night meetings Question MAY we not at all times and in all places convocat people for mutuall edification not seeking libertie of their Pastours as did the apostles and disciples Answ Not only men not called to preach but also Pastours and Preachers may not doe it 2. The apostles and disciples might lawfully preach publickly privatly in all places without usurpation for none other had the ministerial charge but themselves 3. Preachers law fully called by men first teaching true doctrine and afterwards they turne apostats or hereticks thereby they losse the right of a lawfull calling for GOD sendeth none to teach errors and heresies and men have no warrand of GOD to call them These apostats and hereticks are become usurpers of the places whereunto they were called and therefore sound teachers may convocat privie meetings in these paroches without their warrand and without usurpation But it is usurpation to do so in the paroches of sound teachers 4. Paul forbad Timothie to lay hands upon any suddenly and that hee should not be partakers of their sins 1 Tim. 5.22 Women may not speak publictly 1 Cor. 14. They may teach younger women privatly Tit. 2.3 and they who admit men untryed unqualified and without imposition of hands are partakers of all their sins he resies and abuses which they bring into GODS church 5. The apostles themselves might not preach in any place uncalled The Lord forbad them to go to the Gentiles and to the cities of Samaria and bade them go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel Mat. 10. But after his resurrection he sent them to all nations Mat. 28. Paul Act. 20 biddeth Pastours take heed not to other mens flocks but over which the holy Ghost made them overseers The Spirit suffered not Paul and Timothie to preach in Bithynia and Asia but in Macedonia Act. 16.6 Many pretend private meetings but they plead for publict meetings under this name Quest How are they publict Ans In respect of persons place and manner of exercise 1. The persons are not of one familie only nor two or three of sundrie families meeting occasionally but oftimes many families and persons of diverse families towns and parishes c. their number exceeding sundrie parishes 2. The place though it be a chamber or house ordained for private uses yet they make them publict houses appointing them for ordinarie publict meetings and publict exercises Churches are for no other respects made publict houses 3. The exercises are publictin their usage for they doe not every two and two or two and three or three and three confer privatly together but one speaketh to all the rest and oftimes many speake one after another So these meetings are more publict then ours where only one or two speak publictly Quest Can the privie meetings of two or three usurpe the ministeriall charge Ans Two or three may usurp over the dignitie and office of kings as really as two or three thousand though the usupation of a greater number be more notable If they appoint one of their number continually or every one their time about to be king over the rest prescribing and executing lawes and receiving royall honour and obedience from the rest not being deputed by the lawfull king to that effect it is usurpatition Paul Rom. 13. saith There is no power but that which is ordeined of God yet without usurpation we may admonish and counsell one another to do all civile dueties Such usurpation may be in every jurisdiction of princes rulers and magistrats c. So in the ecclesiasticall jurisdiction if two or three establish an ordinarie custome of preaching and of doing ministeriall dueties whether one alone or every one their time about do the charge they not being deputed nor warranted by the ordinarie pastor it is usurpation In a well ordered citie the citizens suffer none to encroach upon their callings liberties and priviledges much lesse should such abuses be tollerat in a well ordered church 2. Pastors may preach both privatly and publictly in their own parishes If in their infirmitie absence or lawfull distractions they imploy others in their places it is a lawfull calling 3. Men may teach their own families it is warranted by GOD though like Abrahams familie 318. souls dwell together 4. All other meetings should be occasionall not hindering familie worship not ordinarie publict worship nor the dueties of servants to their masters of children to their parents and wives to their husbands Quest What meetings are occasionall Answ Such as are not of set purpose appointēd for ordinarie ministeriall exercises but when by the providence of GOD men meet for other occasions either civile or ecclesiasticall as 1. when two or three together take occasion of the publict preachings in the Sabboth to repeat the things they have heard 2. They may edifie one another going together unto churches 3. Within the churches before the publict exercises begin and between preachings and when they are ended 4. At the preaching men may stir up one another unto attendance by example and exhortation 5. Returning home they may use conference 6. Walking or sitting in the fields 7. Meeting two or three together at markets or publict places 8. Eating or drinking together 9. In buying or selling