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A00759 A defence of the liturgie of the Church of England, or, Booke of common prayer In a dialogue betweene Nouatus and Irenæus. By Ambrose Fisher, sometimes of Trinitie Colledge in Cambridge. Fisher, Ambrose, d. 1617.; Grant, John, fl. 1630. 1630 (1630) STC 10885; ESTC S122214 157,602 344

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of all his goods but of all the spoiles as the Author to the Hebrewes doth g 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 expound it I. Tithes must bee paid of a mans owne But the spoiles were not Abraham's as appeares by his oath in h Gen. 14. 22 23. the Storie Tithes therefore were not paid of the spoiles As for the Erecke word you alleadge it may be translated of the best or chiefe things Againe if wee retaine the word spoiles it will bee proued thereby that personall tithes of the gettings of mens hands are due considering that spoiles obtained in a lawfull warre are of that nature My second argument for tithes is this That which God giueth to the Priest being receiued from the people seemeth to be naturall and eternall forasmuch as no man may reuoke it But such are i Leuit. 27. 30. Numb 18. 24. tithes They are therefore irreuocable N. They are so from the Iewish Priests what is that to our Ministers I. That will appeare by this my third argument The Labourers wages are due to the k 1. Tim. 5. 18. Ministers of the Gospell But such are l Numb 18. 31. tithes They are therefore due to our Euangelicall Ministers N. Tithes were due for the seruice at the Altar which now ceaseth I. Doth not the Apostle say that the same seruice in substance m 1. Cor. 9 13. Heb. 13. 10. remaineth Doe not our Ministers aswell teach the People and pray for them as the Priests of the Law My fourth reason is thus framed The Prophets vse to exhort men to Morall not to Ceremoniall duties But Malachie doth exhort men to pay n Mal. 3. 10. tithes They be therefore Morall N. I would haue some argument drawne from the new Testament I. You haue heard in part before But now I directly proceed further to my fift argument Tithes are counted matters of the Law and such as may not be left vndone by o Mat. 23. 23. Christ himselfe And therefore they are to be paid N. They are counted as small matters I. Yea but he that breaketh the least Commandement and teacheth men so to do as many seditious men which teach the People to giue the Hundreth for the Tithe shall be the least in the Kingdome of p Math. 5. 19. heauen N. Yea but this place proueth onely that they should be paid to the Priests of the Law I. The contrarie appeareth by my sixt reason Things consecrated and giuen to the Ministers of the Gospell may not bee reuoked as appeareth by the Storie of q Acts 5. 3. Ananias But Tithes haue beene giuen to the Church by our Ancestors euen before the times of Poperie And therefore may not be recalled N. Your Maior is not firme For Ezekias pluckt off the Plates which himselfe had consecrated from the Temple r 2. Kings 18. 16 dores I. Ezekias did therein most grieuously sin and thereupon it may bee thought that God turned the heart of Zenacherib to breake his Couenant with the King and to bring vpon him the dreadfull warre which without God's immediate aide had beene irresistible Now if if iudgement begin at Gods house where shall the sinners ſ 1. Pet. 4. 17. appeare N. But put the case our Forefathers had neuer dedicated tithes to the Church how had they beene then due to the same I. My seuenth Argument will declare it He that is catechized Let him make him that catechizeth him partaker of all his t Gal. 6. 6. goods This cannot bee done without Tithes as may appeare by the Stories of Abraham and u Gen. 14. 20. 28. 22. Iacob N. It may bee done by Competencie without Tithes I. As God set the seuenth Day for the Sabbath So hee ordained the tenth for Maintenance We dare not iudge his proportions lesse wise then those which are forged by the braines of men My eight and last reason is drawne from analogie and proportion That which was giuen to the Seruitours of the Law ought much more to be granted to the Ministers of the x Luke 7. 28. 1. Cor. 9 13. 2. Cor. 3 9. Gospell But the Legall Priests had more then Tithes For we know they had the first fruits the redemption of the first borne 48. Cities with land about them sundry parts of the Sacrifices c. The Ministers of the Gospell therefore ought to haue tithes at the least N. Tithes were Ceremoniall and therefore to be abolished I. In regard of the particular assignation to the Tabernacle they were indeed rituall but as they were stipends of Gods publike seruice so they both were and are naturally Morall N. The Tithes might bee y Leuit. 27. 31. redeemed and therefore not necessarie I. They could not be redeemed vnlesse the fift part were added whereby their necessitie doth much more appeare as also for that they could not be z Leuit. 27. 33. changed without a Curse N. They that were in Cities paid no tithes And therefore they are not necessarie I. First this argument might proue Tithes vnder the Law of Moses to haue beene needlesse which had beene an emptie proofe Secondly a Personall tithes were there also due Prediall Tithes were due euen in b As is plaine in the Cities of Niniue Babylon Ierusalem and others Cities considering that in Cities also Cattle may be found Thirdly instead of those tithes they had sundrie other recompences which were before named in my eight Argument Fourthly the fruit of the ground may bee expounded of the rates of houses which being tithed will exempt all scruple Fiftly some imagine that Countrie tithes were diuided among the Leuites dwelling wheresoeuer but this is vncertaine N. The Apostles were maintained by c 1. Phil 4. 15. almes not by tithes And therefore tithes are not needfull I. That these contributions of the People were almes you cannot proue forasmuch as they were due as Saint d 1. Cor. 9. 6 7. c. Gal. 6. 6. 10. Paul declareth at large By which places also we haue shewed tithes euen then also to haue been due Againe tell me If a man had reasoned thus in the time of Malachie Tithes were not paid when the Israelites wandred in the Wildernesse Now therefore they are not due to the Priests in Canaan what would you haue answered N. Wee would haue said to reason from the fact to the right is not reasonable Againe it was not seasonable to argue from the seed time to the haruest from the night of want to the Day of Plentie from the Barren Desart to the fruitfull Palestina I. So we answere that whilst the winter of persecution was vpon the Church Tithes could not be exacted but now it is preposterous to vrge the same order in the summer of our abundance Tithes therefore as you perceiue are needfull and yet the same are offerings to God So that the tearme Offering need not displease you in our Churching of women N. From the Rites