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in_o house_n and_o in_o chapel_n without_o or_o contrary_a to_o the_o liturgy_n or_o a_o part_n of_o it_o so_o do_v mr._n ball_n at_o whitemore_n mr._n hind_n at_o banbury_n mr._n geree_n and_o mr._n fox_n at_o tewksbury_n john_n rogers_n at_o dedham_n mr._n taylor_n mr._n harvy_n mr._n bourne_n at_o manchester_n mr._n gee_o mr._n johnson_n mr._n hancock_n mr._n barlow_n mr._n broxholme_n mr._n cooper_n and_o abundance_n more_o beside_o those_o mention_v before_o and_o now_o i_o leave_v it_o to_o the_o dr.'s_n further_a thought_n whether_o he_o speak_v true_o of_o the_o sense_n of_o all_o the_o nonconformist_n and_o have_v prove_v what_o he_o undertake_v to_o abuse_v the_o magistrate_n or_o do_v his_o part_n for_o public_a reformation_n they_o be_v against_o and_o so_o be_v we_o sect._n 26._o as_o to_o his_o question_n be_v there_o less_o necessity_n then_o or_o now_o i_o answer_v 1._o there_o be_v then_o more_o necessity_n as_o there_o be_v of_o you_o or_o i_o in_o america_n where_o 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