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and_o corporal_a good_n which_o do_v not_o belong_v to_o spiritual_a pastor_n but_o to_o temporal_a prince_n kingdom_n and_o commonwealth_n thus_o i_o answer_v in_o my_o apology_n 184._o apology_n nu_fw-la 184._o and_o the_o reason_n hereof_o i_o give_v a_o little_a before_o for_o that_o excommunication_n or_o such_o like_a spiritual_a censure_n be_v the_o last_o and_o only_a punishment_n which_o the_o ecclesiastical_a or_o spiritual_a power_n by_o the_o institution_n of_o christ_n can_v inflict_v secundum_fw-la joan._n paris_n de_fw-fr potest_fw-la reg._n &_o pap._n cap._n 14._o almain_n in_o lib._n de_fw-fr dominio_fw-la nat_n ciu_o &_o eccles_n conclus_fw-la 2._o bell._n lib._n 2._o the_o council_n cap._n 19_o ad_fw-la secundum_fw-la as_o joannes_n parisiensis_fw-la jacobus_n almain_n and_o very_o many_o doctor_n say_v almain_n do_v affirm_v 18_o and_o what_o if_o a_o wicked_a pope_n shall_v afflict_v the_o church_n and_o seek_v to_o overthrow_v the_o spiritual_a good_a thereof_o 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against_o this_o answer_n which_o may_v in_o like_a manner_n be_v apply_v to_o wicked_a prince_n persecute_v the_o church_n and_o contemn_v ecclesiastical_a censure_n mr._n fitzherbert_n dare_v not_o conclude_v that_o therefore_o christ_n our_o saviour_n have_v not_o sufficient_o provide_v for_o the_o government_n of_o his_o church_n 19_o but_o what_o think_v you_o do_v d._n schulckenius_n reply_n to_o that_o which_o i_o answer_v that_o if_o wicked_a prince_n shall_v contemn_v all_o ecclesiastical_a censure_n the_o church_n have_v use_v her_o last_o punishment_n can_v proceed_v against_o they_o by_o inflict_v temporal_a punishment_n even_o as_o he_o usual_o do_v throughout_o his_o whole_a book_n by_o cunning_o shift_v of_o the_o difficulty_n and_o fly_v from_o one_o argument_n to_o a_o other_o and_o in_o the_o end_n to_o his_o accustom_a rail_v 184._o schulcken_n pag._n 359._o ad_fw-la nu_fw-la 184._o and_o slanderous_a speech_n i_o answer_v say_v he_o the_o temeritie_n of_o this_o man_n who_o will_v have_v himself_o to_o be_v account_v a_o catholic_a be_v wonderful_a a_o general_a council_n of_o the_o christian_a world_n say_v that_o prince_n favour_v heretic_n and_o contemn_v excommunication_n be_v to_o be_v deprive_v of_o their_o dominion_n by_o the_o sea_n apostolic_a and_o one_o man_n do_v free_o contradict_v and_o affirm_v that_o the_o church_n have_v no_o other_o thing_n to_o do_v but_o have_v perform_v her_o office_n after_o she_o have_v throw_v the_o dart_n of_o excommunication_n to_o who_o ought_v catholic_a man_n give_v credit_n whether_o to_o the_o universal_a church_n give_v testimony_n of_o her_o authority_n receive_v from_o god_n unto_o one_o i_o know_v not_o who_o who_o lie_v hide_v under_o another_o man_n name_n lash_v out_o word_n 20_o but_o first_o to_o return_v he_o back_o his_o bitter_a invective_n true_o i_o can_v but_o admire_v the_o fraudulent_a and_o uncharitable_a deal_n of_o this_o doctor_n who_o will_v have_v himself_o to_o be_v account_v
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most_o excellent_a society_n to_o which_o he_o be_v immediate_o subject_a in_o spirituall_n then_o unto_o any_o other_o civil_a commonwealth_n to_o which_o he_o be_v immediate_o subject_a in_o temporall_n and_o that_o every_o humane_a action_n ought_v to_o be_v more_o special_o direct_v and_o refer_v to_o the_o worship_n and_o service_n of_o god_n then_o to_o any_o other_o inferior_a action_n whereto_o it_o may_v have_v a_o more_o immediate_a relation_n and_o final_o that_o the_o philosopher_n themselves_o as_o plato_n and_o the_o platonist_n guide_v by_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n or_o light_n of_o natural_a reason_n think_v that_o man_n be_v principal_o ordain_v to_o worship_n and_o serve_v god_n and_o therefore_o place_v the_o end_n not_o only_o of_o man_n action_n but_o also_o of_o every_o man_n and_o of_o the_o commonwealth_n itself_o in_o religion_n or_o the_o service_n and_o worship_n of_o god_n and_o that_o nature_n have_v incline_v man_n to_o live_v in_o civil_a society_n to_o 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the_o same_o may_v be_v proportional_o apply_v to_o conjugal_a for_o as_o i_o observe_v else_o where_o 12._o where_o in_o append._n contra_fw-la suar._n part_n 1._o sec_fw-la 8._o num_fw-la 12._o there_o be_v two_o bond_n or_o obligation_n wherein_o child_n stand_v bind_v to_o their_o parent_n the_o one_o be_v natural_a and_o proceed_v from_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n whereby_o child_n be_v bind_v to_o honour_n and_o reverence_v their_o parent_n and_o this_o bond_n no_o humane_a power_n can_v take_v away_o or_o release_v neither_o can_v this_o dutiful_a respect_n which_o child_n by_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n owe_v to_o their_o parent_n at_o any_o time_n encounter_v with_o any_o obedience_n which_o be_v due_a to_o temporal_a prince_n the_o other_o civil_a which_o depend_v upon_o the_o positive_a law_n of_o temporal_a prince_n whereby_o parent_n be_v make_v tutor_n guardian_n and_o governor_n of_o their_o child_n and_o this_o power_n which_o parent_n have_v over_o their_o child_n be_v great_a or_o lesser_a according_a to_o the_o law_n and_o custom_n of_o every_o kingdom_n and_o as_o it_o depend_v whole_o upon_o the_o civil_a power_n so_o it_o may_v be_v increase_v diminish_v or_o quite_o take_v away_o by_o the_o supreme_a civil_a power_n and_o this_o civil_a duty_n or_o obedience_n which_o child_n owe_v to_o their_o parent_n do_v not_o hold_v when_o it_o encounter_v with_o the_o respect_n duty_n or_o obedience_n which_o they_o owe_v to_o their_o supreme_a temporal_a prince_n 24_o the_o second_o be_v that_o temporal_a allegiance_n or_o obedience_n which_o be_v due_a to_o temporal_a prince_n if_o we_o will_v speak_v proper_o can_v never_o encounter_v with_o that_o spiritual_a obedience_n which_o be_v due_a to_o spiritual_a pastor_n for_o if_o a_o temporal_a prince_n do_v command_v any_o thing_n which_o be_v against_o the_o service_n or_o worship_n due_a to_o god_n and_o consequent_o against_o religion_n to_o obey_v he_o in_o this_o case_n be_v not_o temporal_a allegiance_n for_o that_o the_o prince_n have_v not_o authority_n to_o command_v any_o such_o thing_n and_o where_o there_o be_v no_o authority_n to_o command_v there_o be_v no_o obedience_n due_a because_o according_a to_o the_o doctrine_n of_o all_o divine_n obligation_n to_o obey_v and_o authority_n to_o command_n be_v correlative_n and_o do_v depend_v one_o upon_o the_o other_o and_o therefore_o true_a temporal_a allegiance_n can_v never_o encounter_v with_o true_a spiritual_a obedience_n and_o be_v prejudicial_a thereto_o nor_o contrariwise_o 25_o the_o three_o be_v that_o although_o some_o heathen_a philosopher_n by_o the_o light_n of_o natural_a reason_n do_v evident_o see_v that_o the_o worship_n and_o service_n of_o god_n as_o he_o be_v the_o author_n and_o end_n of_o nature_n and_o of_o all_o natural_a thing_n be_v to_o be_v prefer_v before_o any_o temporal_a tranquillity_n of_o commodity_n and_o that_o therefore_o every_o man_n both_o prince_n and_o subject_a by_o the_o 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caesar_n act._n 25._o he_o answer_v first_o that_o saint_n paul_n do_v appeal_v to_o caesar_n de_fw-fr facto_fw-la but_o not_o the_o jure_fw-la and_o second_o that_o he_o do_v appeal_v to_o he_o both_o de_fw-fr facto_fw-la and_o de_fw-fr jure_fw-la or_o when_o in_o the_o same_o place_n to_o another_o objection_n he_o give_v two_o answer_n whereof_o the_o one_o contradict_v the_o other_o the_o first_o be_v that_o in_o the_o old_a law_n the_o kingdom_n be_v above_o the_o priesthood_n and_o the_o second_o that_o the_o priesthood_n be_v above_o the_o kingdom_n 19_o for_o this_o be_v a_o most_o usual_a thing_n for_o the_o same_o author_n to_o bring_v to_o the_o same_o canon_n text_n or_o objection_n two_o contrary_a answer_n when_o they_o be_v ground_v upon_o two_o contrary_a opinion_n whereof_o both_o be_v teach_v and_o maintain_v by_o learned_a man_n wherefore_o joannes_n teutonicus_n the_o glosser_n of_o this_o canon_n hadrianus_n may_v without_o any_o contradiction_n bring_v two_o 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canon_n ad_fw-la abolendam_fw-la which_o be_v ground_v upon_o these_o two_o contrary_a opinion_n touch_v the_o pope_n power_n to_o deprive_v layman_n of_o their_o temporal_a honour_n 20_o but_o the_o reason_n of_o mr._n fitzherberts_n error_n be_v for_o that_o he_o silly_a man_n seem_v to_o be_v ignorant_a how_o according_a to_o the_o rule_n of_o logic_n modall_a proposition_n be_v contradictory_n one_o to_o the_o other_o for_o to_o make_v they_o contradictory_n the_o contradiction_n must_v be_v in_o the_o modus_fw-la and_o not_o in_o the_o dictum_fw-la as_o these_o two_o proposition_n be_v not_o contradictory_n for_o that_o both_o they_o may_v be_v together_o true_a it_o be_v the_o opinion_n of_o learned_a man_n that_o our_o saviour_n word_n to_o pilate_n thou_o shall_v not_o etc._n etc._n be_v to_o be_v understand_v of_o true_a power_n of_o jurisdiction_n for_o so_o teach_v saint_n augustine_n and_o saint_n bernard_n and_o it_o be_v the_o opinion_n of_o learned_a man_n that_o they_o be_v not_o to_o be_v understand_v of_o true_a power_n of_o jurisdiction_n but_o only_o of_o divine_a permission_n for_o so_o saint_n cyrill_n and_o saint_n chrysostome_n do_v affirm_v but_o to_o make_v they_o contradictory_n the_o contradiction_n must_v be_v in_o the_o modus_fw-la as_o thus_o it_o be_v the_o opinion_n of_o learned_a man_n that_o those_o word_n of_o our_o saviour_n be_v to_o be_v understand_v of_o true_a power_n of_o jurisdiction_n and_o it_o be_v not_o the_o opinion_n of_o learned_a man_n that_o they_o be_v to_o be_v understand_v of_o true_a power_n of_o jurisdiction_n for_o these_o two_o proposition_n can_v be_v both_o true_a but_o if_o the_o one_o be_v true_a the_o other_o must_v of_o necessity_n be_v false_a and_o contrariwise_o see_v therefore_o that_o the_o gloss_n here_o upon_o the_o canon_n hadrianus_n do_v not_o intend_v to_o bring_v only_o those_o exposition_n of_o this_o canon_n which_o be_v certain_a and_o out_o of_o controversy_n but_o which_o be_v agreeable_a to_o the_o doctrine_n and_o opinion_n of_o learned_a man_n although_o the_o first_o gloss_n be_v contradictory_n to_o the_o second_o in_o the_o dictum_fw-la yet_o because_o they_o be_v not_o contradictory_n in_o the_o modus_fw-la for_o that_o both_o of_o they_o be_v approve_v by_o learned_a man_n the_o glosser_n can_v be_v true_o say_v to_o contradict_v himself_o in_o bring_v these_o two_o contrary_a gloss_n of_o the_o same_o word_n both_o which_o learned_a author_n do_v maintain_v 21_o but_o three_o neither_o can_v mr._n fitzherbert_n sufficient_o prove_v that_o the_o former_a gloss_n make_v flat_a against_o i_o and_o contradict_v the_o second_o so_o much_o as_o in_o the_o dictum_fw-la for_o albeit_o the_o express_a word_n of_o the_o former_a gloss_n be_v these_o here_o the_o church_n do_v confiscate_v the_o good_n of_o layman_n and_o sometime_o depose_v they_o from_o dignity_n yet_o these_o word_n confiscate_v and_o depose_v may_v very_o well_o be_v understand_v as_o the_o same_o gloss_n expound_v the_o word_n depose_v upon_o the_o canon_n alius_fw-la 15._o q._n 6._o where_o it_o be_v write_v that_o pope_n zacharie_n do_v depose_v the_o king_n of_o france_n for_o after_o the_o gloss_n have_v bring_v argument_n pro_fw-la and_o contra_fw-la for_o and_o against_o the_o pope_n power_n to_o depose_v the_o emperor_n at_o the_o last_o he_o answer_v thus_o he_o be_v say_v to_o have_v depose_v the_o king_n who_o consent_v to_o they_o that_o depose_v he_o or_o which_o in_o sense_n be_v all_o one_o as_o other_o expound_v who_o teach_v or_o declare_v that_o he_o may_v be_v depose_v and_o according_a to_o this_o exposition_n the_o late_a gloss_n do_v not_o contradict_v the_o former_a but_o be_v rather_o a_o explication_n thereof_o for_o it_o be_v all_o one_o in_o sense_n to_o say_v that_o the_o church_n do_v confiscate_v the_o good_n of_o layman_n and_o sometime_o depose_v they_o from_o dignity_n to_o wit_n by_o consent_v to_o they_o who_o do_v depose_v and_o confiscate_v or_o which_o be_v all_o one_o by_o teach_v and_o declare_v that_o they_o ought_v to_o be_v depose_v and_o their_o good_n confiscate_v which_o be_v the_o former_a gloss_n and_o to_o say_v that_o the_o church_n do_v teach_v or_o declare_v what_o ought_v to_o be_v do_v by_o the_o secular_a prince_n or_o judge_n concern_v the_o depose_n of_o layman_n and_o confiscate_v their_o good_n which_o be_v the_o late_a gloss_n and_o as_o you_o have_v see_v all_o one_o in_o sense_n with_o the_o former_a 22_o beside_o the_o former_a of_o these_o two_o gloss_n here_o do_v only_o teach_v that_o the_o church_n do_v confiscate_v the_o good_n of_o layman_n and_o sometime_o depose_v they_o from_o dignity_n which_o i_o never_o deny_v but_o that_o the_o church_n do_v confiscate_v the_o good_n of_o lay_v man_n and_o depose_v they_o from_o dignity_n by_o that_o spiritual_a power_n which_o she_o have_v receive_v from_o christ_n and_o not_o only_o from_o that_o temporal_a authority_n wherewith_o 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