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A75399 The ansvver of the Commons, to a petition, in the name of thousands wel-affected persons inhabiting the city of London, Westminster, borough of Southwarke, and hamlets, and places adjacent. England and Wales. Parliament. House of Commons. 1648 (1648) Wing A3289B; Thomason E468_27; ESTC R205391 15,650 16

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wealth 23. That you would not have followed the example of former tyrannous and superstitious Parliaments in making Orders Ordinances or Laws or in appointing punishments concerning opinions of things supernaturall styling some blasphemies others heresies when as you know your selves easily mistaken and that divine truths need no humane helpes to support them such proceedings having been generally invented to divide the people amongst themselves and to affright men from that liberty of discourse by which corruption and tyranny would be soon discovered 24. That you would have declared what the businesse of the Lords was and ascertaine their condition not derogating from the liberties of other men that so there might be an end of striving about the same 25. That you would have done justice upon the capitall authors and promoters of the former or late Wars many of them being under your power Considering that mercy to the wicked is cruelty to the innocent and that all your lenity doth but make them the more insolent and presumptuous 26. That you would have provided constant pay for the Army now under the Command of the Lord Generall Fairfax and given rules to all Judges and all other publique Officers throughout the Land for their Indempnity and for the saving harmelesse all that have any wayes assisted you or that have said or done any thing against the King Queen or any of His party since the beginning of this Parliament without which any of His party are in a better condition then those who have served you nothing being more frequent with them then their reviling of you and your friends The things and worthy Acts which have been done and atchived by this Army and their adherents however ingratefully suffered to be scandalized as Sectaries and men of corrupt judgements in defence of the just authority of this honourable House and of the common liberties of the Nation and in opposition to all kind of Tyrannie and oppression being so far from meeting an odious Act of Oblivion that they rather deserve a most honourable Act of perpetuall remembrance to be as a paterne of publique vertue fidelity and resolution to all posterity 27. That you would have laid to heart all the abundance of innocent blood that hath been spilt and the infinite spoile and havock that hath been made of peaceable harmlesse people by expresse Commissions from the King and seriously to have considered whether the justice of God be likely to be satisfied or his yet continuing wrath appeased by an Act of Oblivion These and the like we have long time hoped you would have minded and have made such an establishment for the generall peace and contentfull satisfaction of all sorts of people as should have been to the happinesse of all future generations and which we most earnestly desire you would set your selves speedily to effect whereby the almost dying honour of this most honourable House would be againe revived and the hearts of your Petitioners and all other wel-affected people be fresh renewed unto you the Freedome of the Nation now in perpetuall hazard would be firmely established for which you would once more be so strengthened with the love of the people that you should not need to cast your eyes any other wayes under God for your security but if all this availeth nothing God be our Guide for man sheweth us not a way for our preservation The Answer of the Commons to a Petition in the name of thousands welaffected persons c. A THis House is very well pleased with your desires of Peace and hopes that when you are satisfied the waies by you propounded for obtaining it are not conducing to that end but tending to the encrease of such meanes as may make the War endlesse and the troubles of this Kingdome infinite your right affections will follow right reason and they therefore are willing to informe you of those mistakes which were the cause of those Propositions which you have framed in order to Peace And first we cannot but take notice of what you say that you engaged on our part against the King You know we raised Armes at first and engaged such as assisted us for King and Parliament and you know both we and you tooke * May 1641. a Protestation to defend the Kings Person Honour and Estate and you know both you and we are the Kings Subjects and ought by the duty of our Allegeance to adhere to Him and defend Him and we cannot make War upon Him nor on our fellow Subjects His adherents without breach of our Allegeance All which might sufficiently informe you that we have made no avowed War against the King but against His evill Councellors and we beleeved if we should have told you that we intended to make War against the King you would not have aided us at all knowing it high Treason as you professe you doe which was the reason the engagement was for King and Parliament Next we wish that you would keepe your selves within the bounds of obedience and not presume to anticipate our Councels and prevent our proceedings as you doe by telling us what you expect our resolutions to be we are contented to receive information of your grievances from you but must not be schooled or Magistrated by you although in the beginning we gave way to some such Petitions in regard of the distempers of your minds whereby the Lords and many of our owne Members were over-awed yet this House cannot approve that such courses are agreeable to Law or Reason B Where you say that you had not engaged on the part of this House but that you judged this House the supreame authority of England is very strange to us your selves as we beleeve as well as we having according to the common duty and the Law of the Land acknowledged before God that the King is the onely Supreame Governour of this Realme over all persons and in all causes and bound our selves by Oath to defend that His Supremacy and we alwayes call our selves His Commons and His House of Commons and make Petitions to Him for His grace and favour styling Him as He is our most gratious Soveraigne and Leige Lord and the experience of all times and the opinion of all men of sound judgement Divines and Lawyers being that this Kingdome is a Monarchy and so acknowledged in many Acts of Parliament and this House was instituted by the Kings Predecessors All Townes sending Burgesses by their Grants And you know you ingaged for the Lords as well as for this House We beleeve your mention of our Supremacy is but a pretence and that you meane to assume the power you say is in the people and exclude this House as well as King and Lords It is true the Members of this House were chosen by the people of the severall Countries and Townes that sent us to represent their Petitions to the King not themselves against the King and our consent to such things as the King shall