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B00623 The peoples plea for the exercise of prophesie. Against Mr. Iohn Yates his monopolie. / By Iohn Robinson. Robinson, John, 1575?-1625.; Yates, John, d. ca. 1660.; Brewster, William, 1566 or 7-1644, printer, attributed name. 1618 (1618) STC 21115A; ESTC S94919 38,827 88

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ordinary gift out of office Lastly 1. Cor. 14. comes into handleing with the proofes thence taken which what weight they haue shall appeare after rehearsall of some more generall considerations premised in my book in the same place for the better vnderstanding of the poynt as 1. that the Church of Corinth aboue all other Churches did abound with spirituall gifts both ordinary and extraordinary 2. that they abused these giftes too much vnto faction and ambition 3. that therevppon the Apostle takes occasion in the beginning of the 12. Chap. and so forward to draw them to the right vse of these gifts of God which was the imployment of thē to the edifiing of the body in loue 4. and lastly that hauing layd down ch 13. a full description large cōmendation of that grace of loue ch 14 the beginning of it he exhorts to prophesying and to the study and vse of that gift which though it were not so strange a thing as was the sudden gift of tongues nor which drew with it such wonder and admiration yet was it more profitable for the Church and though a matter of lesse note yet of greater charity which must beare sway in all our actions VVhereupon I lay downe the first reason for brethrens though no officers liberty in these words Because the Apostle speakes of the manifestation of a gift or grace common to all persons as well brethren as ministers ordinary as extraordinary and that at all times which is loue as also of such fruits and effects of that grace as are no lesse common to all then the grace it selfe nor of lesse continuuance in the Churches of Christ to wit of edification exhortion and comfort v. 3. compared with 1. Thess 5.11.14 In answering the former part of the Reason hee is very large but more negligent as appears in his denying that the Apostle speaks of a gift common to all persons and in more then denying for his rude terme I will conceale for his credits sake that it was common to all persons at all times admiring how I dare affirme any such thing adding that loue was enioyned to all but this gift onely of such as did excell amongst them whereas the very gift which I speak of in that place or grace rather as I there call it was none other but the grace of loue as any that will may see in the reason which generall grace ought to manifest and expresse it selfe in the edifying use of all the special gifts of the spirit which by it are set a work moued as the lesser wheels of a clock by the greater from which grace the Apostle provoketh the Church to the stirring up of the gift of prophesy unto edification as well now as then And whereas to my ground as he puts it as after a sort I intended frō v. 3. compared with 1. Thes 5.11.14 viz. that since the end which is edification exhortation comfort continueth therfore the gift of prophesy also continueth he answereth that there are many means to effect one end yet some of them may cease yea all of them other come in their roomes as for extraordinary gifts ordinary and so for Apostles ordinary ministers instancing further in tongues which v. 26. are for edification he neither speaks so properly as is meet nor all admitted which he saith takes away the force of the Argument Strange tongues to speak properly and pressely as in disputing are no means of edifying the Church but the interpretation and application of the matter of the tongues neither doth the office of the ministery in it selfe edifie but the use and exercise of it in teaching and exhorting no nor yet the gift of prophesying but as it is used in speaking as v. 3. hee that prophesieth that is useth the gift of prophesie speaketh unto men to exhortation edification and comfort There being then no other means to edify exhort and comfort in the Church but prophesying the Apostle as appeareth by the two places set together laying these dueties from the common grace of loue as well upon brethren as officers ordinary as extraordinary at all times in the Church therein giues warrant to an ordinary exercise of prophesie in the Church by mē out of office to wit having gifts abilities answerable to the end of the world The second Argument is from v. 21. where the Apostle saith ye may all prophesie one by one that all may learne all may be comforted he speaks of all 's prophesying as largely as of all 's learning This saith hee is absurd are all the Church Prophets if all may prophesie who shall learn the H. Gh. sayes all but that is to be understood of such as haue gifts all ought to haue the gift of hearing but the like is not of prophesying I say this gift was extraordinary for how could all men study the Scriptures when they had them not in their natiue tongues It were absurd indeed if I thought that every person in the Church were to prophesie but why should hee chalendge mee or I purge my selfe of this absurdity whereas the contrary is most evident both in the words of the question which are that others having receiued a gif● thereunto may and ought to stir up the same and to use it in the Church and every where in the handling of it By all then I meane all that haue gifts and so take all for prophesying as largely yet in the subiect according to the received rule of expounding the notes of universality as the other all for learning His question if all may prophesie who shall learne is easily answered For they who prophesie at one time may learn at another It is the disease of the exalted Clergy to skorn to learne any thing of others then themselues and almost one of another Where he further saith that all ought to haue the gift of hearing but the like is not prophesying it is true and that every particular person in the Church is not bound to haue that gift but if he speak any thing to the purpose in hand he must go further and say that no ordinary brethren out of office ought to haue the gift of prophesie which if it were true then ought none to striue for fitnesse to become officers neither were the reproofe iust which the Apostle layes not onely nor so much if at all upon the officers as upon the brethren Heb. 5.12 that for the time they ought to be teachers Of his unworthy mistaking about the Scriptures not being in the Corinths natiue tongue which hee makes the onely ground of his Answer else where To conclude this Argument The Apostle writing to the Church of Corinth ye may all prophesie one by one cannot be understood of extraordinary Prophets except we cōceiue that the body of that Church was or might be prophets extrarodinary miraculously inspired which cōsidering the superexcellency of that state by me elswhere laid down is a