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A44802 One of Antichrists voluntiers defeated, and the true light vindicated. In answer to a book called Ignis fatuus, published by one R.I. Wherein he vindicates Edward Dod and Samuell Smith (of the county of Salop) in their lyes, folly, and wickedness, and hath added more of his own, with divers of his false doctrines, lyes and slanders, &c. brought to light, and reproved: As that the law of the spirit of life, is imperfect, and not fit to be a Christian rule, and also, humane nature may be taken for the regenerate part of man, and the soul, &c. And likewise calls idolatry, civillity, and heathernish complements courtesie. His vindication made voyd, and his weapons broken, and he taken captive, and left with E.D. and S.S. among the slime pits of Siddim near Sodom, with his Ignis fatuus. / By F.H., a witnesse to the perfect law, of the spirit of life. Howgill, Francis, 1618-1669. 1660 (1660) Wing H3175; ESTC R16812 30,660 33

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dead nor money for Funerall Sermons neither did they preach over the dead all these and abundance more of such like invented things was never practised nor found amongst the Churches before the Apostacy which things considered may cause R. I. to blush that ever he durst be so impudent as to say they differ not neither in whole nor in part in matter nor in manner from the primitive Churches and untill such time as R. I and his Brethren contenders can clear themselves of these things let them not think any whose eyes God hath opened can receive them for a Church of Christ nay most of the parish Ministers holds up those practises which the Papists did deny as money for Marriages and burialls baptisme the Sacrament or the ground in which the dead were buried this was reprehended and condemned by the Councell of Trent in the height of all Popery 1547. Saith R. I. It seemes these tythes are a great matter to many or rather a great trouble for them to pay the Ministers though Abraham paid tythes of all to Melchizadeck before the Law and this proves E. D. his Argument as saith R. I. That it is contrary to the Light and Law of God to withhold them from the Ministers because they were given by Abraham before the Law Answer Yea It is a great matter with many to pay tythes and a great trouble too because he that confesseth Christ is come in the flesh cannot uphold the shadowes of the first Covenant which belonged to a changeable priesthood having no other portion among their brethren which was given unto them for the service which they performed unto the Lord and likewise were a Twelfth Tribe and near a Twelfth part of the people And now the Law being changed and the Priesthood changed and the Covenant ended and the Ordinance thereof abolished that such a company of covetous men as the Parochiall Priests generally are that they should claime the tythes that belonged to this Priesthood and not doe the worke which they did and yet hath a portion among their Brethren in this land neither are they the three hundred part of the people and that such a company I say as these should claime the tenth part of all the increase in the Land this is a great matter and a thing not consistent with the Law of God neither equity or reason And it is but a poor and feeble argument neither of E. D. or R. I. that because Abram gave the tenth part of the spoyle to Melchizadeck before the Law that therefore it must be a binding thing to all generations to pay the tenth part as due to such as are neither after that order of Aaron neither after the order of Melchizadeck Abram gave the tenth and that but once and freely and Melchizadeck brought forth bread and wine to Abram's Army and we may as justly and upon as good ground demand bread and wine for our whole families of the Priests as the Priests can demand the tenth part of our substance from Abram's gift to Melchizadeck and say it is against the Law of God nature and reason as E. D. and R. I. doth conclude by their feeble arguments which they make upon Abrams giving the tenths for if the example of the one be binding then the example of the other is also as binding Abram gave the tenth part of the spoile and that but once and Melchizadeck demanded none then why doe the Priests who are but usurpers claime it every yeare and where they cannot get it freely as few will give it them who witnesse Christ come in the flesh then they take it by force and constraint or would Melchizadeck have pleaded with Abram as this ignorant R. I. doth that the spoyle was none of his own as he saith Tythes are no mans own or as I said before to E. D. would Melchizadeck have taken away Abrams Oxen Cowes or Horses Sheep or Camels if he had not given him the tenth part Or did any of the Ministers of Christ require or demand force or constraine any maintenance whatsoever from any which this R. I. saith they differ nothing from neither in whole nor in part in matter or manner neither in practice but saith R. I. This is nothing to the purpose unlesse it could be proved that the Apostles might have had tythes which they could not being persecuted Yes it is something to the purpose if you take them for an example as you say you doe and though it be granted the Apostles were persecuted from place to place and sometimes went from place to place when they were not persecuted which R. I. would have condemned for runnagates if he had lived in that time But without all controversie if it be a duty now to pay tythes unto the Ministers of the Gospell then it was a duty in the Apostles time that though the Rulers were persecutors yet the Apostles would have minded them whom they had begotten into the Faith of their duty but we find no mention neither by Commandement Reproof or Exhortation unto any of the Churches about any such thing and so thy argument R. I. is foolish and frivolous for it may be easily proved that tythes was never demanded not for 7 or 8 hundred yeares after the Ascention of Christ And R. I. saith The Apostles took whatsoever was given them and this satisfies the Ministers Conscience to take tythes which the Magistrates give them so they may of such maintenance live of the Gospel Answer If the Apostles took nothing but what was given them then this shames your forcing and also your seeking it of them who receives you not which manifests you are out of the Apostles example and though it satisfies your Consciences to take tythes which thou saith the Magistrates gives you both of them that owns you and them that owns you not yet I beleeve it would not have satisfied the Apostles of Christ if any Magistrates would have sent them back to the Jews who believed not or the Gentiles who received them not this they would not accounted as a free gift though this divers hundred years many Rulers have drunk of the Whores cup and hath given their authority to the beast and hath forced and compelled to a worship and also to give to the Whores Merchants yet this is but bad proof that they ought to have done so and the Apostles never counted this living of the Gospell to live of tythes and forced maintenance which none of the Ministers did receive or ever will And so for shame call in thy Ignis fatuus again in which thou hast published so many lyes among which this is one which will stand as a record against thee viz. That ye differ not in doctrine and practice matter and manner neither in whole nor in part from the Apostles and Primitive Saints And this is another lye that Timothy and Titus was settled in a parochiallike way in their quarters Nay the Parochiall quarters is all people